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#88 From: Kim Erik Monberg <zardoznb@...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:33 pm
Subject: SV: Female headdress, plan required
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I would contact Christel Kruse Boorman who was the costumier on the movie.

Louise Martin <lou_martin68@...> skrev:
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Does anyone have any links or resources that may better
describe the female (and male) headdress. Im particularly
interested in any sewing plan if available.
 
See attachment of headress.
 
Yours,
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#86 From: Tommaso de Brabant <tommy_for_nothing@...>
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:21 am
Subject: Re: Zardoz!! "On Demand" Finally!
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Glad to know it.
Thank you very much!
 
Tommaso

zar_manseven <trdunnjr@...> ha scritto:
Zardoz has been added to the list of free movies!!! I have comcast and
watched the film today. Its in the "On Demand" Free movie Section.
What a joy it was to see this film again.


"Fight for Death, if that's what You Want!"

"Arthur, we have all been Used, Reused, Abused, and Amused!"



By the way, I'm new here. Just had to share this exciting news.

Regards,
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#84 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: Zardoz!! "On Demand" Finally!
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It should be set as such... let me see...

Tiz

--- In zardozthemovie@yahoogroups.com, "zar_manseven" <trdunnjr@...>
wrote:
>
> Thank you!  By the way... I have some snap shots of the movie that
I
> took. About 5 pics. Dosnt look like the club is set up for adding
> photos?
>
> Cheers,
> ZM7
>
>
> --- In zardozthemovie@yahoogroups.com, "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Zarman seven
> >
> > Welcome to the board! THIS is definitely a resounding news! If
you
> > have even more quotes to report, I'll be glad to add them to the
Z-
> > QUOTATIONS database. Spoil all the others discussions, add your
2
> > cents wherever you feel it is required.
> >
> > This is the strangest and most fascinating movie of all the
times,
> > and I'm gald to see the cult is *GROWING* UP.
> >
> > You're welcomed, of course!
> >
> > Tiz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In zardozthemovie@yahoogroups.com, "zar_manseven"
<trdunnjr@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Zardoz has been added to the list of free movies!!! I have
> comcast
> > and
> > > watched the film today. Its in the "On Demand" Free movie
> Section.
> > > What a joy it was to see this film again.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Fight for Death, if that's what You Want!"
> > >
> > > "Arthur, we have all been Used, Reused, Abused, and Amused!"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  By the way, I'm new here. Just had to share this exciting
news.
> > >
> > >  Regards,
> > >  Zarmanseven
> > >
> >
>

#83 From: "zar_manseven" <trdunnjr@...>
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: Zardoz!! "On Demand" Finally!
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Thank you!  By the way... I have some snap shots of the movie that I
took. About 5 pics. Dosnt look like the club is set up for adding
photos?

Cheers,
ZM7


--- In zardozthemovie@yahoogroups.com, "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
wrote:
>
> Zarman seven
>
> Welcome to the board! THIS is definitely a resounding news! If you
> have even more quotes to report, I'll be glad to add them to the Z-
> QUOTATIONS database. Spoil all the others discussions, add your 2
> cents wherever you feel it is required.
>
> This is the strangest and most fascinating movie of all the times,
> and I'm gald to see the cult is *GROWING* UP.
>
> You're welcomed, of course!
>
> Tiz
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In zardozthemovie@yahoogroups.com, "zar_manseven" <trdunnjr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Zardoz has been added to the list of free movies!!! I have
comcast
> and
> > watched the film today. Its in the "On Demand" Free movie
Section.
> > What a joy it was to see this film again.
> >
> >
> > "Fight for Death, if that's what You Want!"
> >
> > "Arthur, we have all been Used, Reused, Abused, and Amused!"
> >
> >
> >
> >  By the way, I'm new here. Just had to share this exciting news.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >  Zarmanseven
> >
>

#82 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: Zardoz!! "On Demand" Finally!
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Zarman seven

Welcome to the board! THIS is definitely a resounding news! If you
have even more quotes to report, I'll be glad to add them to the Z-
QUOTATIONS database. Spoil all the others discussions, add your 2
cents wherever you feel it is required.

This is the strangest and most fascinating movie of all the times,
and I'm gald to see the cult is *GROWING* UP.

You're welcomed, of course!

Tiz





--- In zardozthemovie@yahoogroups.com, "zar_manseven" <trdunnjr@...>
wrote:
>
> Zardoz has been added to the list of free movies!!! I have comcast
and
> watched the film today. Its in the "On Demand" Free movie Section.
> What a joy it was to see this film again.
>
>
> "Fight for Death, if that's what You Want!"
>
> "Arthur, we have all been Used, Reused, Abused, and Amused!"
>
>
>
>  By the way, I'm new here. Just had to share this exciting news.
>
>  Regards,
>  Zarmanseven
>

#81 From: "zar_manseven" <trdunnjr@...>
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:11 am
Subject: Zardoz!! "On Demand" Finally!
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Zardoz has been added to the list of free movies!!! I have comcast and
watched the film today. Its in the "On Demand" Free movie Section.
What a joy it was to see this film again.


"Fight for Death, if that's what You Want!"

"Arthur, we have all been Used, Reused, Abused, and Amused!"



  By the way, I'm new here. Just had to share this exciting news.

  Regards,
  Zarmanseven

#80 From: Tommaso de Brabant <tommy_for_nothing@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:29 am
Subject: Re: Re: Nietzsche and Zardoz
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Tiziano <apecalypsenow@...> ha scritto:
Besides, in 'ZARDOZ' there's a further expansion (a literal one) of
his popular "Super-Man" concept.

So yes, agreed.



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> Hasnt anyone ever noticed that the plot of Zardoz is a literary
> development of parts of the philosophical writings of Friedrich
> Nietzsche---particularly the "Death of God" and the "Last Man"
> from "Thus Spake Zarathustra"? There really are so many connections.
> If a few of his ideas are pushed to their extremes in a sci-fi
> setting....
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Very sorry, it hasn't been me who wrote it.
Thank you very much.
 
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#79 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2006 4:07 pm
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Besides, in 'ZARDOZ' there's a further expansion (a literal one) of
his popular "Super-Man" concept.

So yes, agreed.



--- In zardozthemovie@yahoogroups.com, "cleaningoutthegarage"
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>
> Hasnt anyone ever noticed that the plot of Zardoz is a literary
> development of parts of the philosophical writings of Friedrich
> Nietzsche---particularly the "Death of God" and the "Last Man"
> from "Thus Spake Zarathustra"? There really are so many connections.
> If a few of his ideas are pushed to their extremes in a sci-fi
> setting....
>

#78 From: "cleaningoutthegarage" <cleaningoutthegarage@...>
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:36 am
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Hasnt anyone ever noticed that the plot of Zardoz is a literary
development of parts of the philosophical writings of Friedrich
Nietzsche---particularly the "Death of God" and the "Last Man"
from "Thus Spake Zarathustra"? There really are so many connections.
If a few of his ideas are pushed to their extremes in a sci-fi
setting....

#77 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:54 am
Subject: Things I learnt from ZARDOZ...
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...

1- People don't get the beauty of 'ZARDOZ' because... they are
people, after all.

2- In the future, Earth will look like a post-modern
english/scottish/irish village with no extra actors whatsoever.

3- In an Army of thousands and thousands of Exterminators, you can
only have 3 Mutants. Period.

4- James Bond's dullness is dead, and what is left is all the
coolness of Sean Connery.

5- God is in the show business, but show business is over now.

6- Exterminators rule.

7- If you reverse time, stay behind the "aura" of the one who is in
charge.

8- Post-modern, mentally super-powered hippies are way too cool to
be described.

9- Post-modern, mentally super-powered punk who kills post-modern,
mentally super-powered hippies is way too cool to be described.

10- ZARDOZ rules.

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#74 From: Worov@...
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First off, it's not a choir, it's two counter tenors; that's men who sing in falsetto voices thus making it seem as if they had female voices. Secondly, I believe that version was done specially for the film by David Munrow. Boorman talks about him on the commentary track, an expert in medieval and other historical music. Counter tenors were actually more of a product of the late Renaissence and a bit after, developed to take the place of castrati. But they have them to this day; the lead in Philip Glass' modern opera "Akhnaten" is a counter tenor.
 
The short answer, though, is I doubt the particular version used in the main titles (i.e. just the two voices singing the main counterpoint lines of the 2nd Movement) is available anywhere commercially. Sorry to say. But I know what you mean . . . very striking. Ever after I first saw the film, I was onto my friends all the time, the ones who could sing anyway, to perform that little bit with me. Eventually I talked a girl friend into it, and we make a minor hit singing it for our other friends.

#73 From: " a. Laid" <clabkeloh@...>
Date: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:57 am
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OK, the opening credits of the film:   Where did that vocal version of
Beethoven's 7th come
from?...of course the choir is credited, but search after search for their
recordings turns up
nothing.  Surely such a haunting version of a classical favorite is available
somewhere!
Anyone got any leads?

#72 From: Worov@...
Date: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:21 pm
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As a naturalist, I certainly have had no difficulties interpreting and loving "Zardoz" without any recourse to Christian metaphors. While I'm sure it's possible to see it as a Christian allegory (if one is of that mind, one can interpret virtually anything that way), it isn't essential.

#71 From: "greyfax_grimwald" <greyfax_grimwald@...>
Date: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:42 pm
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--- In zardozthemovie@yahoogroups.com, "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
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>   It is impossible to discuss Zardoz with discussing
> > Christianity;
> > Since the film is a also a Judeo-Christian allegory.
>
> I alway thought about ZED as a post-modern MOSES, the
> Brutals/Exterminators as Hebrews and the Eternals as Egypthians (they
> clothes also suggest that!).
> So here we go now.
>
> T.C.

Seems like a clear theme to me.

#68 From: Worov@...
Date: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:56 pm
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<<<maybe it was really GOD>>>
 
I understand you now. Since I'm not a deist, that view isn't attractive to me. Though I think it's right to say Boorman IS suggesting the impetus behind the film's events transcend all its characters. Myself, I like the "Jurassic Park" explanation, i.e. that life will find a way . . . even if it's to die.
 
Or, quothe Friend and Arthur: We've all been used . . . and re-used, and amused!

#67 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:51 am
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> <<<I think the Tabernacle was just a "guess", not the really  author
of the
> "idea".>>>
>
> Do expand on this. I'm not sure I take your meaning here.
>

Oh, maybe it's my fault. I meant that the TABERNACLE wasn't the
mysterious "author" who put the original "idea" about the creation of
a superior being in Arthur's mind, but maybe it was really GOD, and
ZED referred to God when said: "And now I can see who put the idea in
your mind" or something along those lines.

So the Tabernacle was just a pawn, like Arthur.

T.C.

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<<<Zed is more inherently intelligent than the Immortals>>>
 
Yes, but he's every bit as emotionally "complicated" as are they. As Consuela asks him, why would he want to kill his "father?" (i.e. Arthur Frayn) The answer is, he has intense and hugely conflicted feelings of betrayal mixed with continued admiration, as well as disappointment and disgust.
 
Zed's no saint, but a very complex and ambivalent fellow. Remember . . . in the end he cannot bring himself to kill the Eternals. His less advanced bully boys must do it for him. Do I think all this makes him "less?" On the contrary . . . I feel it's what makes him a truly empathetic and admirable character.

#65 From: Worov@...
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<<<ZARDOZ was an heavy source of inspiration for the MATRIX trilogy?>>>
 
Interesting thought. Though, for my money, the "Matrix" computers are entirely hostile while the Tabernacle is quite benevolent in its odd way. Myself, I've always looked on the "Matrix" films as sequels to "2001." In other words, they further explore and greatly expand upon that earlier film's notion of an "emotional" computer that holds humans in contempt and is willing to sacrifice them to its own idea of what's best for itself.
 
BTW, this theme was also developed wonderfully in another "cult" film of the late '60s, "Colossus: The Forbin Project." Great movie!

#64 From: Worov@...
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<<<I think the Tabernacle was just a "guess", not the really author of the "idea".>>>
 
Do expand on this. I'm not sure I take your meaning here.
 
<<<The Tabernacle had a lot of respect in regard of ZED, because maybe it was conscious that ZED was the ultimate being.>>>
 
Well, and if the Eternals longed for death and the Tabernacle was the "sum" of them, it too would long for death. Which Zed has come to deliver.

#63 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:50 pm
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It is impossible to discuss Zardoz with discussing
> Christianity;
> Since the film is a also a Judeo-Christian allegory.

I alway thought about ZED as a post-modern MOSES, the
Brutals/Exterminators as Hebrews and the Eternals as Egypthians (they
clothes also suggest that!).
So here we go now.

T.C.

#62 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:43 pm
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> What is going on in the rest of the world?
> It seems unlikely the Vortex system is limited to Ireland/Britain.

I wouldn't say that: in the VORTICES have been obviously stored the
BEST and MOST EXPERIMENTAL technologies of that specific "Earth"
(belonging to the Z-Continuum). It's not about "common" technology
at all. As evidence supporting this theory, the PRE-CATASTROPHE
world seems just a little bit "advanced" in comparison with ours.
Also, I don't think people was accustomed to clonation, just the
Scientists (then turned into Renegades) inhabiting the Vortex.


  Is Tabernacle destroyed or simply disabled in this particular
Vortex?

All the VORTICES constitutes ONE SINGLE collector... the VORTEX
itself. So it's safe to assume ZED provoked a chain reaction.

   Zed
> realizes that Tabernacle can be anywhere, not merely confined to a
single crystal...and the
> fact that Tabernacle tells Zed that it is "in the palm of your
hand" is a direct paradax to its
> previous statement that it "cannot give information that may
compromise my security".

That's a really interesting point, maybe it TEMPORARLY moved onto
the crystal in order to have a "straight contact" with ZED. I always
supposed that in my life.


> Just because these Immortals have grown stagnant and weary and
crave death doesn't mean
> all Immortals do.

They are enough crazy to do that, granted.

And Chicago looks cooler, if you ask me. LOL!

T.C.

#61 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:56 am
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> I think the poll leaves out a crucial aspect of Zed:

The poll focuses more on his skin-deep "appearance" in every
supposed 'phase' he lived.

>
> Zed the Mastermind--the reveal is subtle but the intention can't
be mistaken:
>    Zed infiltrated the Vortex deliberately--His inner circle of
Exterminator colleagues have
> followed him to the Vortex,

Of course! He and the other TWO MUTANTS! Apparentely, the two
Mutants brought the squad of Exterminators to the Vortex when
needed, towards the end of the movie.


  they have camped beyond the barrier and they maintain
> communication with Zed on the inside.

They are ultra-intelligent.

  The
> enslaved/vulnerable Zed is an illusion, a part he played to learn
as much as he could about
> the Vortex.

I love the conceptual 'disguise' anyway. He played the part very
well!


T.C.

#60 From: " a. Laid" <clabkeloh@...>
Date: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:07 am
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What is going on in the rest of the world?
It seems unlikely the Vortex system is limited to Ireland/Britain.  A
catastrophic breakdown of
civilization in this bastion of the western world would mean it had already
happened
everywhere else.  Is Tabernacle destroyed or simply disabled in this particular
Vortex?  Zed
realizes that Tabernacle can be anywhere, not merely confined to a single
crystal...and the
fact that Tabernacle tells Zed that it is "in the palm of your hand" is a direct
paradax to its
previous statement that it "cannot give information that may compromise my
security".
Just because these Immortals have grown stagnant and weary and crave death
doesn't mean
all Immortals do.  I think I'd be suicidal too if I'd spent three hundred years
with the same
group of people confined to an Irish country estate.  However looking out my
window now at
Chicago at sunset I can't help but believe we would fair better here in a
hypothetical urban
Vortex...or maybe three-hundred years of watching the sun set over increasingly
decaying
skyscrapers and having only the same round of parties to attend might get me
down in the
end

#59 From: " a. Laid" <clabkeloh@...>
Date: Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:53 am
Subject: Zardoz - Gods, Idols and Revelations
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Great essay in the files from P. Tilton.  It is impossible to discuss Zardoz
with discussing
Christianity;
Since the film is a also a Judeo-Christian allegory.
So if Tabernacle is God (the sum of all things, the key to immortality, and a
man-made
artifact) is Frayne Lucifer instigating a war in heaven?  Zed seems the
Adversary  (a mercifully
triumphant one) holding out that just because you think you know everything
doesn't mean
you should always be in charge-then Zed becomes Adam generating the new Race. 
Mae
seems to be Lilith, mating with Adam then taking her spawn and the relics of the
Tabernacle
into the wilderness.  Consuela is Eve, Adam's ultimate mate.  What role does
Friend play?
And at times Tabernacle is also the Serpent/the Tempter (the provoker of free
will?)

#58 From: " a. Laid" <clabkeloh@...>
Date: Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:04 am
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I think the poll leaves out a crucial aspect of Zed:

Zed the Mastermind--the reveal is subtle but the intention can't be mistaken:
    Zed infiltrated the Vortex deliberately--His inner circle of Exterminator
colleagues have
followed him to the Vortex, they have camped beyond the barrier and they
maintain
communication with Zed on the inside.  Zed is more inherently intelligent than
the Immortals
and he is literate.  He knew from the outset that the stone head was a machine
and not a
god, he and his colleagues had a plan all along to solve the riddle of the stone
head.  The
enslaved/vulnerable Zed is an illusion, a part he played to learn as much as he
could about
the Vortex.

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Date: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:26 am
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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
zardozthemovie group:

What 'version' of ZED do you like?

   o The ruthless Exterminator seen in the flashbacks. Masked, armed and nasty.
   o The 'diverged' Exterminator who penetrated in the Vortex. Unmasked and
suspicious.
   o Disguided as a remissive 'slave', naked and vulnerable.
   o The Superior towards the end of the movie, now able to do everything.
Wearing a more sophisticated suit.
   o The Master of the Superiors, inhabiting the Zardoz head with his wife
Consuella. Wearing the ultimate suit, green and long.


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#56 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:20 am
Subject: ZARDOZ vs. MATRIX
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Is it me or ZARDOZ was an heavy source of inspiration for the MATRIX
trilogy?

Let's list oll the similarities!

T.C.

#55 From: "Tiziano" <apecalypsenow@...>
Date: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:18 am
Subject: Re: TABERNACLE's influence was limited to the VORTICES
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I think the Tabernacle was just a "guess", not the really author of
the "idea".


>
> Hear me out. The basis for this feeling is the Tabernacle's
discussion with
> Zed just before he penetrates and destroys it. The Tabernacle
doesn't  suggest
> any feeling whatever of being threatened. If anything, their talk
is
> extremely courteous. At most, it proceeds like a chess game.

Of course, the Tabernacle is almost an "honorable thinking machine".
It understands human values much more than how the Eternals could
do, ironically.
The Tabernacle had a lot of respect in regard of ZED, because maybe
it was conscious that ZED was the ultimate being.

  >
> Why would the Tabernacle seek its own destruction? Why would any
of the
> Eternals? And, by it's own admission, the Tabernacle is the sum
of  them.
>

Great, great dissertation!

T.C.

#53 From: Worov@...
Date: Thu Apr 6, 2006 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: Re: TABERNACLE's influence was limited to the VORTICES
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<<<Poor Tabernacle, it knew that Arthur was plotting against itself, but couldn't do anything to save its artificial a*s!>>>
 
Actually . . . I've always wondered how complicit is the Tabernacle in Arthur's designs. Indeed, I've sometimes thought all this was the Tabernacle's idea in the first place.
 
Hear me out. The basis for this feeling is the Tabernacle's discussion with Zed just before he penetrates and destroys it. The Tabernacle doesn't suggest any feeling whatever of being threatened. If anything, their talk is extremely courteous. At most, it proceeds like a chess game. The Tabernacle doesn't plead, curse, or threaten. The most direct attempt it makes to dissuade Zed is to characterize itself as the "sum of all these people." In short, it appeals to Zed's humanity. Then, once Zed has guessed its secret, the Tabernacle almost willingly accedes. "I am in the palm of your hand," it says agreeably.
 
Why would the Tabernacle seek its own destruction? Why would any of the Eternals? And, by it's own admission, the Tabernacle is the sum of them.

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