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Dear fellow Browncoats-
It has been my pleasure to make and distribute the Jayne repro
shirts to many of you literally the world over. Through great
organizations such as the So Cal, San Fran, and South East
Browcoats, our shirts have been used to raise money for charity at
Comic Con and Wonder Con for the past two years . Today, I recieved
a letter from Fox Corporate "asking" us to stop producing anything
related in any way to the Firefly Series. We do not compete with
them for any business, since the only thing Firefly related they
sell as far as I can tell the DVD set. It is my hope to contact Fox
to try to work out some sort of licencing agreement with them, but
since they apparantly care nothing for the series or the fans that
they abandoned, I am sceptical that they will allow us to continue
in any fashion- if anyone knows of any other contacts that I can use
to help negotiate with them, it would be appreciated, otherwise, I
will go back to other business- They have given me 2 weeks to cease
production, so if anyone is needing anything, please let me know as
soon as possible...........

Sincerely,

Alex
bluesunshirts.com







Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:03 am

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Dear fellow Browncoats- It has been my pleasure to make and distribute the Jayne repro shirts to many of you literally the world over. Through great ...
alex0157b
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Sep 15, 2006
2:03 am

Gorramit!!! How sucky is this?! ~ Kim ... use...
~ Kim
darktower_oy
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Sep 15, 2006
3:01 am

Hmmm... interesting. Did they mention which designs or images are in breach of their copyright/ownership rights? Because technically, the Blue Sun design you...
Jen
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Sep 15, 2006
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Very good point Jen. It might be worth looking into. mel Jen <jenskijen@...> wrote: Hmmm... interesting. Did they mention which designs or images are in ...
Melissa
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Sep 15, 2006
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i think you need to find a way to go around the clause, puttin serenity or firefly on the shirts may be an issue but copying a graphiuc tee??? i dont think so,...
Anya Lock
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Sep 15, 2006
5:09 pm

it does seem like they are claiming ownership of costume designs, and I wonder if a court would actually uphold that... after all there are copies of coats,...
Maribeth Martell
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Sep 15, 2006
4:19 am

They might not be able to claim copyright on generic items like guns, vests, etc., but they could claim that any artistic designs like the Blue Sun logo were...
Don McFarland
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Sep 15, 2006
5:14 pm

There seems to be a lot of confusion out there as to what are copyright issues and what are trademark issues. They are arcane and complicated (which is why I...
Lynn Bartsch
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Sep 15, 2006
5:18 pm

Hi! I'm just curious, why wouldn't they just be like Jayne and request a cut up front rather than issue a cease and desist? If something is successfully...
Mybrid Spalding
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Sep 15, 2006
5:53 pm

While as a practical matter you are correct, I am afraid that as a legal one it is not quite right. They actually have to ask him to "cease and desist" so that...
Lynn Bartsch
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Sep 15, 2006
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In true Browncoat fashion I'd suggest you just take it underground and sell it on Cafepress.com or something that's not so easily linked back to you. Sure...
G Stempinski
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Sep 15, 2006
6:40 pm

Might be too late for that once you get a C&D letter. Even giving it away is a problem as it is not about profit but brand integrity and control. ... ...
Lynn Bartsch
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Sep 15, 2006
7:12 pm

Agreed. Once you get the C&D, if you keep producing the product, even somewhere else, it's kind of hard to take the high road, or to claim ignorance. And to go...
Adam Levermore-Rich
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Sep 15, 2006
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You sound like a lawyer. : ) ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection...
Lynn Bartsch
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Sep 16, 2006
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Wouldn't they have to check every single stitch to make sure it was the same hat? That it had the same diameter? Or even the same string? It isn't like it's...
Lori W
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Sep 15, 2006
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I doubt it. I suspect that all the Jayne hats us Browncoats wear are violations of copyright, so "isn't this just like Jayne hats?" is not a reason for trying...
Stephen Jacob
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Sep 15, 2006
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You are totally right. ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around ...
Lynn Bartsch
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Sep 15, 2006
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I don't think that they should be copyright violaions. That's like saying if I wear a blue shirt and khaki pants, I'm violating the wardrobe copyright of the...
Lori W
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Sep 16, 2006
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Hm. I don't know. If they bought it off the hook, I would agree, but if they made something unique(?), then ... I don't know. The specific colour scheme and...
Stephen Jacob
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Sep 16, 2006
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... Maybe color choices? But you could of found that pattern complete with tie unders available before Jayne sported one. I would think that if a company...
critter
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Sep 16, 2006
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The hat might look generic but the specific design is protectable. You cannot copyright an idea - such as a black trench coat - but you can protect how that...
Lynn Bartsch
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Sep 16, 2006
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... Either that or there would be quite a few grandma's that should be contacting Fox about copyright violations against hats they have been making for...
critter
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Sep 16, 2006
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This is actually trademark stuff mostly but I understand what you are saying. The answer is no because if the average reasonable person could be confused as to...
Lynn Bartsch
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Sep 15, 2006
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I've received a number of replies off-list wanting more information about this copyright/trademark stuff. Shall we have a seminar? I usually charge for these ...
Lynn Bartsch
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Sep 15, 2006
7:32 pm

Ooh ooh! Me! *raises hand* Adam ... -- Shiny Firefly & Serenity-inspired shirts at www.blackmarketbeagles.com...
Adam Levermore-Rich
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Sep 15, 2006
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I would also be interested. :) -Arielle ... *** Scripts on an Auction! (no, this thing is never going to get old) visit http://www.californiabrowncoats.org for...
Arielle Kesweder
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Sep 15, 2006
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I don't need to attend, but do want to echo what others have said Lynn. I think it is incredibly generous and kind of you and wonderfully representative of the...
J R
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Sep 15, 2006
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... I definitely agree about this being super-nice of Lynn. :) Thank you for being another example of why so many of us are part of this ... Hear, hear! james...
Stephen Jacob
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Sep 15, 2006
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Not pull one over Stephen. Just going crazy with the typing. Because I do in fact where glasses.... I was told off board that I should put (fanty) next to...
J R
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