http://www.byu.edu/tma/students/tmaccess/tmaccess.pdf

TMAccess, December 12, 2002:

"Saints of War," a new feature film by Ryan Little and Brian Brough, will be
produced in Jan. through the end of Feb. Students needed for production, art,
wardrobe, and craft service. Non-paid, but along with experience you will
receive credit in the film and tickets to the premiere. If interested, submit
resume and cover letter to Carolyn Hanson by Dec. 13.

GREAT ACTING EXPERIENCE AVAILABLE! Actors are needed for the Mesa Arizona Temple
Easter Pageant. Roles available include Centurion, Judas, Peter, John the
Beloved, and Jesus Christ. Pageant season is March 22-April 19, which includes
rehearsals and performances. Contact Nanci ASAP at nanci@... or
480-844-8847.

Technical Positions: Westvale Christian Theater Company is accepting
applications for designer positions. All jobs are unpaid. Also accepting script
submissions for the 2004 season, in original one-acts or a Victorian high
comedy. Email letter of intent and resume to bethb@.... Please include
any recent or upcoming productions where we can view your work.

Music documentary needs two production assistants for a shooting at a studio in
Orem on Dec. 29 and 30. Contact Garrett Batty at 818-445-2894 or
garretbatty@...

Student Production Agency is looking for editors, graphic artists, writers, and
production crew for local projects. A writer is needed for a 10-15 min.
documentary about mentoring programs in the physical and math science
department. Contact Juston Rindlesbach if interested (378-8454).

Park City Television (PCTV) is producing a new show called Wild Wild Sports. We
are looking for any Wild Sports Videos, Extreme Sports, Videos of Crashes or
Bloopers, Fun Sports and most any Action Sports Video that is Provessionally
Shot and Edited. We will air your video on PCTV and give you recognition. Call
435-649-0045 with questions.

Sundance Film Festival tickets for locals are on sale now! Order online at
www.sundance.org/locals.

[BYU students only] TV Commercial Production Class is seeking directors and
producers for winter semester's class, taught by Chris Cutri. You must be
interviewed and selected for the class. Please call Chris at 373-5297.
Interviews will be scheduled next week.


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"Out of Step" can now be ordered online from Deseret Book
It IS in stock.
http://deseretbook.com/store/product?product_id=100054243

"Out of Step" is also available online from Latter-day Harvest:
http://www.ldharvest.com/item.asp?itemid=18350

Or just pick one up at your local LDS bookstore. If you don't see it, ask for it
by name. I'm aware that a number of stores quickly sold out of their initial
shipments.


Also available for order online (and for sale in bookstores):
"Spirit of the Sabbath: Music That Uplifts and Inspires", featuring an eclectic
collection of music by film composer and LDSFilm.com co-webmaster Thomas C.
Baggaley:
http://deseretbook.com/store/product?product_id=100054113
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http://www.halestore.com/customer/product.php?productid=7&cat=2&page=1


SOUNDTRACK AVAILABLE JANUARY 2003. Featuring new music from Maren Ord, Sugarland
Run, One Cent Stamp, Ryan Shupe & the Rubberband and the new single "Go Back" by
Sweethaven!
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George Dayton is briefly profiled in a Deseret News article about single people
in Utah. There's a nice photograph of him inside the HaleStorm offices, standing
in front of the "Singles Ward" logo.

The article is at:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,450020509,00.html

Dayton, the head of theatrical distribution for HaleStorm, previously worked on
film productions for his father, legendary producer/director Lyman Dayton.
George Dayton is credited as a producer for at least two of Lyman Dayton's
movies: "Where the Red Fern Grows (2000) and "The Last Resort" (1997).

The newest feature film from HaleStorm, "The R.M." premiers on Utah screens in 6
weeks: on January 31st, 2003.

Speaking of which... You can now pre-order "The R.M." soundtrack at HaleStore.

http://www.halestore.com/


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Yes, that is correct.  If you would like to see the up-to-date numbers
for each of these pictures separately (as well as a bunch of other films
and filmmakers figured out a whole lot of different ways, they can be
found at http://www.ldsfilm.com/lds_box.html.

Thomas

----------------------------
"The function of a score is to enlarge the scope of a film. I try for
emotional penetration - not for complementing the action. For me, the
important thing about music is statement. I can't describe how I arrive
at the decision to make a statement, I simply feel it and react to it."-
Jerry Goldsmith, composer

Contact info:
Thomas C. Baggaley
Composer
9446 Fox Hunt Drive
Sandy, Utah 84092
Tel: (801) 942-3580
E-mail: thomas@...
Web page: http://www.baggaleymusic.com

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> John H. Groberg             4,720,371

> Richard Dutcher             3,533,902

> Kurt Hale                   1,250,798

> Jack Weyland                  548,490

> Kels Goodman                   70,000

Would I be correct in concluding that these numbers reflect to-date
box office receipts and video sales for, respectively, Other Side of
Heaven, God's Army and Brigham City (combined), Single's Ward,
Charly, and Handcart?

If so, these numbers are fascinating and illuminating.




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--- In ldsfilm@yahoogroups.com, ldsfilm@b... wrote:

> John H. Groberg             4,720,371

> Richard Dutcher             3,533,902

> Kurt Hale                   1,250,798

> Jack Weyland                  548,490

> Kels Goodman                   70,000

Would I be correct in concluding that these numbers reflect to-date
box office receipts and video sales for, respectively, Other Side of
Heaven, God's Army and Brigham City (combined), Single's Ward,
Charly, and Handcart?

If so, these numbers are fascinating and illuminating.

Following is from an announcement sent out via email the distributors of
"Charly":

Your chance to see the hit independent film "Jack Weyland's Charly" is
coming Super Bowl Weekend. The movie that has been leaving audiences
laughing and crying will open in select theaters across California,
Arizona, and Nevada on January 24th, 2003.

Based on the best-selling novel by Jack Weyland, "Charly" is being
lauded as even better than the original novel. Don't miss the movie that
everyone is talking about, currently set to open in the following cities
in January:
Alaska (Anchorage)
Arizona (Phoenix)
California (East Bay)
California (Fresno)
California (Los Angeles)
California (Orange)
California (Sacramento)
	 California (San Bernardino)
California (San Diego)
California (San Francisco)
California (San Jose)
California (Temecula)
Idaho (Boise)
Nevada (Las Vegas)
"Charly" tells the story of Sam (Jeremy Elliott), an uptight but
likeable Mormon boy who thinks he has life all figured out, until he
meets Charly (Heather Beers), a beautiful and sophisticated New Yorker.
It's a classic case of opposites attract, and Sam falls head over heels
in love. Only one problem-Charly's about to marry another man.

"Jack Weyland's Charly" has played in limited release in the
intermountain west to audience and critical acclaim:

"Charming and sincere"
-The Post Register

 

	 "A Must See Film&Anyone who has ever fallen in love, lost his faith or
suffered heartache will appreciate this movie."
-Journal Publications


"Beers shows impressive range as she conveys Charly's exuberance, joy
and quiet intensity."
-Salt Lake Tribune

	 "Heather Beers is the perfect Charly,"
-The Ogden Standard Examiner

Director Adam Anderegg has also earned high praise from critics for his
first venture into feature filmmaking. The Salt Lake Tribune says,
"First-time director Anderegg creates moments&that produce a lump in the
throat." The Standard Examiner says that Anderegg "shows a lot of
potential and may be one of the bright young hopefuls in a growing
[Mormon-themed] movie industry."

"Charly" is the latest in the recent string of successful movies with
Mormon characters and themes of faith. It follows in the footsteps of
the breakthrough films "God's Army" and "The Other Side of Heaven," both
of which opened new doors for faith-based independent filmmaking.


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With the continued box office performance of "Santa Claus 2", Latter-day Saint
screenwriters Cinco Paul and Ken Daurio are within days of exceeding beloved
writer Samuel W. Taylor on the chart of total career box office performance by
Latter-day Saint writers and screenwriters.

Kieth Merrill             280,000,000
Mark Andrus               242,223,957
Samuel W. Taylor          140,479,819
Cinco Paul                129,602,059
Ken Daurio                126,039,310
David Veloz               110,304,697
Charles E. Sellier Jr.     78,172,000
David Howard               71,423,726
Vardis Fisher              47,193,786
Neil LaBute                42,865,327
Bruce Neibaur              40,593,286
Brian Nissen               21,962,304
Don Bluth                  21,513,826
Blaine Yorgason            18,636,000
Ray Goldrup                18,636,000
Richard Rich               10,005,766
Glen Charles and            8,406,264
Les Charles                 8,406,264
John H. Groberg             4,720,371
Mitch Davis                 4,720,371
Richard Dutcher             3,533,902
John E. Moyer               1,250,798
Kurt Hale                   1,250,798
Raymond F. Jones              949,745
Jack Weyland                  548,490
Janine Gilbert                548,490
Terry Moore                   192,561
Kels Goodman                   70,000
Mark von Bowers                70,000

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Some of Utah's most talented filmmakers have been attracting attention from
Hollywood studios.

Tyler Measom (director of the 2nd Place LDS Film Festival film "Fall of Man")
and Shawn Rapier (co-writer of "Fall of Man") have sold their feature length
comedy screenplay "Weekend Wedding" to Friend Entertainment in Los Angeles. It
is currently in development.

They have been commissioned by April Films, Los Angeles, to pen the comedy
script tentatively titled "Untitled High School".

Their website (Telos Productions) is at: http://telosproductions.com/


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Mark Swan's Utah-made animated feature "The Princess and the Pea" is among the
animated feature films eligible for Best Animated Feature Academy Award this
year.


17 movies eligible to vie for feature animation Oscar

Associated Press

      BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. — Seventeen films are eligible to compete for the
2002 feature animation Oscar, including the part live-action "Stuart Little 2."
      Among the nominees are four from Disney: "Lilo & Stitch," "Return to Never
Land," "Treasure Planet" and "Spirited Away," a 2001 Japanese film released in
English this year.
      "Spirited Away" is eligible despite its 2001 overseas debut because award
regulations allow a one-year grace period for international movies, John Pavlik,
spokesman for the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, said Wednesday.
      "Stuart Little 2" can compete despite its real-life elements because more
than 75 percent of it features some sort of animation, Pavlik said.
      A maximum of five films can be nominated, but only three made the cut last
year, when the category was introduced. The winner was DreamWorks'
computer-animated "Shrek."
      The horse adventure "Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron" was DreamWorks'
submission this year.
      Among the potential nominees were "Ice Age," "Adam Sandler's Eight Crazy
Nights," "Hey Arnold! The Movie," "The Powerpuff Girls Movie" and "The Wild
Thornberrys Movie."
      Others on the list were "Alibaba & the Forty Thieves," "Eden," "El bosque
animado (The Living Forest)," "Mutant Aliens," "Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie" and
"The Princess and the Pea."
      The entire academy membership votes to narrow the field to the final
nominees. Those will be announced Feb. 11. Winners will be honored March 23.


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article about the photographer whose work is featured in the new
behind-the-scenes book about the making of "The Other Side of Heaven"

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/41124


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From Adam Anderegg:

Charly will be released nationwide
beginning Jan 24, 2002! It is an expansion release with new
cities being added each week through the end of April. For more
info, check out our site: www.charlythemovie.com
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Here is a little more information from Kels Goodman, creator of
Handcart The Movie:

"I shot the film on anamorphic 16mm. This is a special format that
is not
Super 16mm, but is a wider aspect ratio. Instead of 16x9, it turned
out
to be 2:70. Very wide. It is about Ben Hur wide. It was more an
accident. The gate for 16mm is slightly wider then the gate for
35mm.
So when you stick a 35mm len on the front, it makes it 2:70. It
actually
blew up to 35mm very nicely.

"I shot it over a 5 week period, half in the winter and half in the
spring. I shot it all in Utah, even though the story takes place in
Iowa
City, Nebraska and Wyoming. That is one thing I am going to do in the
DVD. There are shots that have mountains in the background. I am
going
to The other states and shoot some new backgrounds, then we will be
digitally melding them together.

"We are also working on some new scenes that will fulfill some of the
concerns people have had that are missing for the stories always told
about the Martin Handcart Company.

"I filmed the movie for 300,000, that also included the marketing.
We did
go over budget, but only by 50,000. We had 350 extras and a rather
large
cast. It was fun, but a lot of work. It is my first theatrical
feature.
My next movie won't be as big. It is an action/adventure movie made
about some boy scouts. My objective is to give them a positive light,
and to have fun. I also am thinking of shooting this film digitally."

> One brother commented that in the future he'd like to see Alvin
> Maker, and I couldn't agree more.  What an incredible series of
> books.  It would be tough to sell to an LDS audience, though,
> because of all the folk magic.

My LdS father taught me folk magic. We did
dowsing for water with willow branches. We
did dowsing for power lines with copper wire.
We cut potatoes and rubbed them on our skin to
ward off the warts. My LdS mother taught me
to use a pendulum to divine the future.

Back then we thought of ourselves as Mormons,
but when I moved East after my mission,
I came to believe that there is a difference
in folk practices between the Mormons and
the LdS.

Love,
Absalom

I invited Kels Goodman, the producer and director of Handcart The
Movie, to join our group.  Kels very graciously replied that he is
probably too busy right now to participate in a group like this one,
but he gave me some interesting information regarding his film which
he encouraged me to pass along to all of you.  Here it is:

"Handcart was a tough movie, made for 300,000, as opposed to Singles
Ward
which was made for 450,000 and Charly which was made for 700,000. I
probably should have made it for 1,000,000 since it was a period
piece
with 350 extras. Point is, even though it has gotten some good
reviews
and some bad, as well as I have heard from many who have enjoyed it
in
spite of its budget, we have released it independently. We released
it
in about half the theaters then Charly and just haven't had the
budget
Charly had for distribution. But it is funny how now that we have
pulled
it from the theaters, many people have wanted it. We are moving the
film
out of the state (I only have 20 copies). We are going into Arizona,
Idaho, California and Oregon. Then we will move the film over east.
We
are working on the DVD and are doing a major special edition to add
in
all the things we wanted to, but couldn't for the theatrical release.

"The film has made about 70,000 in our short release, but we will
probably
be back in Utah soon. We are taking it to places where people
appreciate
it more. So far our best theaters have been in Cardston Canada and St
George Utah.

"Hope that helps. Releasing a film by myself is a major task, but
fun.

Kels"

Very interesting, is it not?  I am now more intrigued than ever, and
am determined to watch Handcart sooner rather than later.

> Are you really a polygamist?  I am fascinated.  If it's not too
> impolite to ask, how many wives do you have?  How many kids?

Legally I only have one wife, and we are getting divorced.
If one is going to practice plural marriage, it is best
never to get the first marriage license. But few young kids
realize that so we deal with things after the fact as best
as we can.

I had one kid with my first wife. My other wives are past
menopause so we don't expect any more kids.

> Nomadic?  Really?  How very poetic and romantic and cool!

Nomadic sounds more romantic than saying homeless.
I never sleep outside unless I want to: cause there
are monasteries all over that are glad to take me
in when I travel.

> As a monk?  A Catholic monk?

We are an interfaith order, but when pressed
I usually call myself a Mormon monk since
mormonism is the faith that I most closely
identify with.

> > Can't take it with you.

> Is this the old Frank Capra classic?

I don't know who stars in it, but the
family structure so closely resembles
my lifestyle that I just fell in love
with it. The film starts out with a
fellow going in to a business and inviting
an employee of the business to come live
in his house. That is the story of my life.

> Who is Alvin Maker?  What's up with that?

Alvin Maker is the hero in a trilogy of
Orson Scott Card books. Alvin's story
is basically the story of Joseph Smith
but set in an America where magic works.

> NAME & LOCATION: Mark Hansen, West Jordan, also from the LDSM list.

> EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND:  I'm an internet and
business mentor by trade, a musician by avocation.

> PREVIOUS FILM-RELATED WORK (IF ANY):  None, though I have written
some music that has been used in small-time video productions, and I
took some courses in video production at the SLCC.  I've also scored
a play there at SLCC, and written music for several dance concerts,
including one 15+ minute score for a dance dramatization of "The
Little Match Girl"  So, if any of you aspiring directors or
producers want scoring, let me know!  :-)

> FILM-RELATED ASPIRATIONS (IF ANY): Scores.  I've got a bunch of
ideas for stories (like everybody and his/her dog), but I don't
consider myself a screenwriter.  Yet.

> MY FAVORITE FILM OF ALL TIME: No way I could choose.  Some of my
favorites include Edward Scissorhands, Spinal Tap.  There just
aren't that many that I want to see more than once.

> LDS FILMS I HAVE SEEN ALREADY, AND SOME THOUGHTS ON THEM:

In order of preference:

1- Brigham City.  The mystery is good, but I'm glad they didn't
focus as much attention on it.  It's not REALLY a mystery, but a
show about, ultimately, forgiveness and mistakes.  The symbol of
redemption in the final sacrament meeting scene makes me bawl every
time I see it.  This is a work of art in that, not only did it
entertain me, but it taught me and made me look at my life and the
atonement a new way.

2- Singles Ward.  I would be hard pressed to find a movie I enjoyed
this much.  Even from among Hollywood's finest.  I grant that a lot
of the jokes were on the inside, but since I'm an insider, I loved
them.  The soundtrack was especially fun for me as a mormon rocker.
But, listening to the soundtrack apart from the film is fun, but
less fulfilling artistically.

3- God's Army.  The first "Mormon Movie" I ever saw, and it
shattered my prejudices immediately.  It was a great movie.

4- Charly.  My wife and I saw this one, and it's a great date
movie.  I thought that the ferris wheel was a perfect symbol for
this show, because the plot was formula and very predictable, but I
didn't care.  You know what the ride is, you know how it's going to
go, but you get on the wheel and ride it anyway, and it's fun.  I
didn't learn anything from this one, but we both enjoyed the ride.

5- The Other Side of Heaven.  Visually stunning, obviously the
biggest budget of them all (my understanding is that, unlike the
others, it's the only one that hasn't yet turned a profit).  While I
liked it, and the story was great, it didn't move me to feel the
Spirit like BC did, or to laugh and feel good like SW did.  And in
spite of many people thinking it was the best because of it's
expensive production values, it just didn't touch me like many of
the others did.

I have not yet seen Handcart or Out of Step.  Anyone seen either of
those?

I gotta stress that I have enjoyed every one of them.  I haven't yet
seen one that I think is BAD.  In fact, they all rate high on my
scale.  But there are some that I liked more than others.

One brother commented that in the future he'd like to see Alvin
Maker, and I couldn't agree more.  What an incredible series of
books.  It would be tough to sell to an LDS audience, though,
because of all the folk magic.

--- In ldsfilm@yahoogroups.com, "Absalom <groups@a...>"
<groups@a...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know where I can see this film?
>
> The reason I ask is because I, a so-called
> apostate polygamist, played the role (as
> an extra) of an LdS apostle.
>
> Love,
> Absalom

Absalom -

Handcart played around here for a very short run (a few days,
maybe?).  I heard that the critics weren't kind to it and there
wasn't a very good turnout at the box office, but my source wasn't
very reliable, so I could be wrong.

I definitely want to see it, but I might have to wait for the video
to come available.

Now, I've gotta ask - not that it would affect your membership on
this list in any way - but are you really a polygamist, and is your
name really Absalom?  If so (and even if it ain't so), I'm really
glad to have you here.  Your presence and perspective will
definitely help keep things interesting!

--- In ldsfilm@yahoogroups.com, "Absalom <groups@a...>"
<groups@a...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know where I can see this film?
>
> The reason I ask is because I, a so-called
> apostate polygamist, played the role (as
> an extra) of an LdS apostle.

Absalom -

I heard that Handcart had a very short run in the theaters, but I
could be wrong.  I'm not sure how good the film is, but I definitely
want to see it, whether in the theater or on video here at home.
The movie's website, which is www.handcartthemovie.com, lists one
theater in Rexburg as still showing the film, but that was as of
November, so it might not be current.  Check the website, I'd say.
(Hey, maybe there's a picture of you!).

Are you really a polygamist?  I am fascinated.  If it's not too
impolite to ask, how many wives do you have?  How many kids?

--- In ldsfilm@yahoogroups.com, "kalpics <kalpics@y...>"
<kalpics@y...> wrote:

> Charly will be released nationwide
> beginning Jan 24, 2002!  It is an expansion release with new
> cities being added each week through the end of April.

That's great news, Adam!  I read one review of Charly which was very
sarcastically critical (Deseret Snooze, I think), but I read others
which said the movie is quite good, and Meridian Magazine online had
a response to the original Deseret News critique which refuted the
criticism and made me really want to see Charly, especially since I
haven't read the book!  It's still showing in some theaters in
northern Utah, so it must be doing well.

--- In ldsfilm@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hartwell <the_charmer21@y...>
wrote:

> P.S.  Of all the LDS Films I have seen, The Singles
> Ward was definitely a cut above the others.  I look
> forward to the RM.

Greetings, Chris,

Welcome to the group.  I know you from ldsmusicians.com.  I'm glad
you liked Singles Ward; I look forward to seeing it myself.

--- In ldsfilm@yahoogroups.com, "Absalom <groups@a...>"
<groups@a...> wrote:
>
> > NAME & LOCATION:
>
> Absalom, nomadic mostly in Rocky Mountains.

Nomadic?  Really?  How very poetic and romantic and cool!

> > EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND:
>
> I've worked as a farmer, carpenter, chemist,
> computer programmer, principal of an art high school,
> and monk. Currently retired.

As a monk?  A Catholic monk?  And now you're retired from monkdom?
Absalom, you become more fascinating by the minute.

> To burn every copy in existance of "Saturday's Warrior"

A decent play for the 1970s, but a truly rotten film.  I couldn't
agree more.

> > MY FAVORITE FILM OF ALL TIME:
>
> Can't take it with you.

Is this the old Frank Capra classic?  I haven't seen it, but now I'm
motivated to search it out at the video rental place.

> > WHAT I HOPE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF LDS FILM WILL BRING:
>
> Alvin Maker

Who is Alvin Maker?  What's up with that?

Thanks for posting, Absalom.

Hi everyone.

Welcome to the group.  This should be fun.

In case you don't know yet, Charly will be released nationwide
beginning Jan 24, 2002!  It is an expansion release with new
cities being added each week through the end of April.  For more
info, check out our site: www.charlythemovie.com

Best wishes to you all.

Adam Thomas Anderegg

Hey y'all,

Just thought I would send an introductory message.  My
name is Chris Hartwell and I live in Washington, D.C.
Basically, I am a musician and I think a great way to
get music heard is to have it as part of a movie
soundtrack.  So my reasons for being on this list are
to keep an eye out for any upcoming films and offer my
music for consideration in the films.  So you probably
won't hear from me much after this, as I won't have
that much to add.

thanks,
Chris

www.chrishartwell.com

P.S.  Of all the LDS Films I have seen, The Singles
Ward was definitely a cut above the others.  I look
forward to the RM.


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> NAME & LOCATION:

Absalom, nomadic mostly in Rocky Mountains.

> EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND:

I've worked as a farmer, carpenter, chemist,
computer programmer, principal of an art high school,
and monk. Currently retired.

> PREVIOUS FILM-RELATED WORK (IF ANY):

Extra in 'Handcart'

> FILM-RELATED ASPIRATIONS (IF ANY):

To burn every copy in existance of "Saturday's Warrior"

> MY FAVORITE FILM OF ALL TIME:

Can't take it with you.

> WHAT I HOPE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF LDS FILM WILL BRING:

Alvin Maker

Anyone know where I can see this film?

The reason I ask is because I, a so-called
apostate polygamist, played the role (as
an extra) of an LdS apostle.

Love,
Absalom

--- In ldsfilm@yahoogroups.com, "Perry Shumway <perritos@u...>"
<perritos@u...> wrote:

> I will probably lurk more than I will post here, too (if you guys
> don't mind); I'm just a little shy.

No problem, Perry.  Lurk or post according to your pleasure.  I'm
just glad you're here.

> As I recall, Mick, some of your posts have bordered, it seems to
> me, a little on the wild side at that other group.  Do you plan to
> do the same thing here, or is your intent to tone it down a little?

Perry, I know exactly which post you are referring to here.  For the
benefit of the rest of the group, I just happened to wake up on the
wrong side of the bed one morning, and I unfairly went after a guy
who writes song lyrics in the LDS musicians group.  I apologized
afterwards.

Don't worry, Perry.  I'll keep my vitriol under better control here.

It looks like we have a number of new members now.  Cool!  Please
post introductions, everyone!  Thanks a lot.

  - Mick

--- In ldsfilm@yahoogroups.com, "Mick Raton <bluntinstrument9@h...>"
<bluntinstrument9@h...> wrote:
> Greetings to my fellow LDS movie lovers around the world!

Hello, Mick.  I know you (sort of) from another group we both belong
to - the LDS musicians group.  It's a great one; I hope this one
will turn out to be as active and informative.  I haven't
participated in that other group for quite a while, but I am a
constant lurker there, and a sponge for the useful information which
gets posted from time to time.  I will probably lurk more than I
will post here, too (if you guys don't mind); I'm just a little shy.

As I recall, Mick, some of your posts have bordered, it seems to me,
a little on the wild side at that other group.  Do you plan to do
the same thing here, or is your intent to tone it down a little?

Anyway, I'm glad you started this group.  LDS film is an idea whose
time has finally arrived.  I'm very excited about it.  I'll go ahead
now and give the group my info:

> NAME & LOCATION:  Perry Shumway, southeastern Idaho.
>
> EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND:  MBA from BYU.
>
> PREVIOUS FILM-RELATED WORK (IF ANY):  Uh, let's see - I took two
film classes at BYU, and made a seven-minute silent film in one of
them.  Also, I've watched a fair share of movies, though not that
many.
>
> FILM-RELATED ASPIRATIONS (IF ANY):  I really hope to be able to
see some truly great LDS films in the future.  My own aspiriations
lean more toward music than film, but who knows what tomorrow may
bring?
>
> MY FAVORITE FILM OF ALL TIME:  Well, gawrsh, now that you have
mentioned Mary Poppins, I think I will have to agree with you,
Mick.  I can't think of any movie better than that one.  What a
great show!  Maybe when you get enough group members you can use
the "Polls" feature to have an ongoing poll as to which is the
greatest movie ever made.  Right now, Mary Poppins wins, two to
nothing!
>
> WHAT I HOPE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF LDS FILM WILL BRING:  I don't
know - I like comedy and sarcasm a lot (if done nicely).  I have
long felt that there is a plethora of weepy LDS piano-ballad music,
while there is a dearth of LDS music that sounds like, say, U2 or
Matchbox 20 or Three Doors Down, etc.  I suppose the same might end
up being true in LDS film - lots of weepy dramatic stuff, and not so
much good, fun, modern material.  We'll see.
>
> LDS FILMS I HAVE SEEN ALREADY, AND SOME THOUGHTS ON THEM:  I've
seen the same three you have, Mick, and I pretty much agree with
what you have said about them.  I can't wait to see Singles Ward - I
bet I'll really like it, even though it seems that the critics all
panned it.
>

Well, I guess that's about all you'll get from me for now.  I'll
just quietly fade back into the hallowed halls of lurkdom . . .

Greetings to my fellow LDS movie lovers around the world!

The purpose of this new email group is to inform and inspire by
discussing anything and everything relating to films having some
relationship with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
In case you stumbled onto this posting without having a chance to
read the group's preamble, here it is:

"The purpose of this group is to provide a discussion forum for
everything and anything relating in any way to films by, for and/or
about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.   Group
members may be Mormon or non-Mormon; topics may include anything
related to LDS films and filmmaking, including screenplays and
scripts; existing LDS movies; acting and casting; directing and
producing; digital video and filmography techniques; lighting and
sound; and so on.

"Lengthy doctrinal diatribes are discouraged but will not be
banned.   Excessive contentiousness, any serious breaches of
civility, and/or unwarranted negativity toward group members or
toward the Church will not be allowed.   Join us for a fun and
informative ongoing dialogue on LDS film!"

For starters, why don't we introduce ourselves to each other?  I
will start:

NAME & LOCATION:  Mick Raton, Southern California (an hour from
Hollywood!  Yipee!!)

EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND:  Master's Degree in
Business; undergraduate in political science (go figure!).  I am now
a salesman of sorts, and I am loosely in the entertainment biz.

PREVIOUS FILM-RELATED WORK (IF ANY):  Zilch.  Nada.  Zippo.

FILM-RELATED ASPIRATIONS (IF ANY):  I want to make an LDS movie (who
doesn't?)

MY FAVORITE FILM OF ALL TIME:  Mary Poppins.  Hands down.  The
numerous hidden tidbits of symbolism, the tidy script, the
underlying message, the unbeatable music, the beautiful (though
dated) sets.  I love lots of great films, but none, IMHO, can touch
good old MP.  I know it's a kids' movie, but I still think it is
simply the best.

I also love The Seven Samurai, The Quiet Man, A Man for All Seasons,
The Good The Bad & The Ugly, The Chinese Connection (that one's not
rated R, is it???), and others too numerous to mention.  Not that
any of these are Citizen Kane or anything; they are simply
entertaining and beautiful to me.

WHAT I HOPE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF LDS FILM WILL BRING:  I am
looking for some serious, non-sappy, non-cliched works of art which
will shine an honest yet positive light on the Church and its
members.  I am less excited about the two Book of Mormon movies that
are coming up, and more anxious to see Dutcher's The Prophet.  But,
hey, I will try to keep an open mind, and look forward to being,
maybe, pleasantly surprised and delighted by something I didn't have
very high expectations for.

LDS FILMS I HAVE SEEN ALREADY, AND SOME THOUGHTS ON THEM:  OK, I've
only seen God's Army, Brigham City and The Other Side of Heaven.
Don't read on if you haven't seen these shows yet; I don't want to
spoil them for you.

Of the three (all of which I enjoyed), "Other Side" was my least
favorite.  The scenery was beautiful, but the plot was (IMHO, of
course) too contrived and predictable and manipulative, and
sometimes a little silly, like when the guy sat on a sand bar and
read the entire bible in another language without eating or sleeping
or (supposedly) using the bathroom or getting swept away by the tide
or anything.  The whole film was kind of a cliche, to me, with
nothing really new or refreshing or creative.  It seemed to try to
copy Hollywood formulas without being really honest or heart-felt.
The protagonist never, to me, did enough to merit all of the love
and devotion that the island people came to show for him.  Still, it
was a fine movie overall, definitely worth checking out, and
undoubtedly much better than I could have done.

God's Army was a lot of fun, having taken place in my neck of the
woods down here.  It seemed honest and relatively accurate, though
the sappiness factor certainly came into play, particularly in the
romance between the leading male and female, and in the "what
they're doing now" credits at the end.  The internal conflict that
the one missionary faced was sort of convincing; that the other one
died was a nice touch, if a little sentimental.  There was nothing
to make me really LOVE the film, except for the one tiny scene in
which the elder is trying to teach this big, untidy, guy about the
families-together-forever principle, while dirty kids are running
around and the TV is blaring and the guy's wife is yelling at him
from the other room.  Finally, in desperation, the man glances first
at his wife and kids and then at the struggling missionary and
confesses, "Look, I'm just not interested."  I nearly died laughing.

Brigham City was my favorite of the three.  I guess its PG-13 rating
resulted in much lower sales than its predecessor, which is kind of
a shame, because I didn't find it so bad or disturbing or anything.
Call me a heretic, but I would be happy for some of my older kids to
watch it with me here at home.  As a murder mystery, it was pretty
routine, but I enjoyed the angle of the bishop having to deal with
various spiritual conflicts, culminating in the oh-so-emotional
sacrament meeting scene at the end.  I'm really not sure what it all
meant, but, hey, it moved me, and that's the point, is it not?

All right, I'll now take off my movie critic hat and put it up on my
shelf and sit here and wait for you guys to chime in on some of this
stuff.

If you are overwhelmed by emails already, you can do what I do,
which is to be signed up as a non-email member, which means you can
visit this group's website (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ldsfilm),
click on "Messages" over there on the left, and follow the messages
in your browser, on your own time, without receiving them as
emails.  You can still post to the group or contact individual
willing members, too.

I'll stop blabbing now and sit back and listen to some of you . . .