I've always loved the credits -- extremely evocative.

Scott

--- In friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Sylvester
<wayne.sylvester@...> wrote:
>
> this still is a fave of mine from apes credits;rather arty.
> wayne;london;uk
>
>
>
>

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Between work and the holiday, I'm posting even later than usual...

Percy Rodrigues's Aboro makes a great antagonist, although at time it sounds
like he's understudying James Earl Jones!  Quite a sinister, almost understated,
performance.  Too bad there wasn't an opportunity for him to return. I'd say
he's one of the best incidental characters the series created.  The dynamic of
the three central characters really works, here.  The script serves all of the
regulars equally well (except Zaius, of course, who doesn't appear at all – he
really is in very few stories).  Only a couple minor characters get short
changed – Janor and Augustus simply disappear after fulfilling their plot
requirements.
Overall, one of the best, IMO.

Scott

That's an incredible likeness!
What talent.

Scott


--- In friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
wrote:
>
> A couple of nights.  Probably 10 hours?  Not sure...I lose track when I'm
> having fun.
>
> Jess.
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:14 AM, <GNSSCARBRO@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >  This is very good Jess and I love his hair.  How long did it take you to
> > do this one?
> >
> > Gina
> >
> > In a message dated 27/11/2009 10:06:16 GMT Standard Time,
> > jessicarotich@... writes:
> >
> >  What do you guys think?  Who does he look like?
> >
> > http://img268.imageshack.us/i/dsc02218ya.jpg/
> > http://img260.imageshack.us/i/dsc02219f.jpg/
> >
> > Jess.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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This is in my top 3 with THE TRAP and THE LEGACY.  Beverley Garland is wonderful
and the fight at the end in the hospital is hilarious.  Plus I loved the way
Galen and Virdon's stunt doubles leapt out of the window of Urko's office just
as he arrived.  Music is good as well.  What's not to like in this show?

Mark

This is in my top 3 with THE TRAP and THE LEGACY.  Beverley Garland is wonderful
and the fight at the end in the hospital is hilarious.  Plus I loved the way
Galen and Virdon's stunt doubles leapt out of the window of Urko's office just
as he arrived.  Music is good as well.  What's not to like in this show?

Mark

There are quite a few promising elements in this one -- including Naughton's
performance, the interaction between Galen and his father, Galen and his mother,
and Lenard's Urko.  And while I liked the fight in the ward scene, having a
hospital rescue so soon after "The Surgeon" feels repetitious (as does the
search of Urko's office).  The brain washing provides a few laughs, and the
alternative provides some menace (and harkens back to the original PotA film). 
But still a very enjoyable episode.

Was it a convention or a film screening?  Looks like it was fun.

Scott



--- In friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Sylvester
<wayne.sylvester@...> wrote:
>
> the photo was at the nec birmingham 2009.i have been a fan for 36 years, and
have mountains of memorabilia at home.
> wayne
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: scottgeorge40 <segeorge98@...>
> To: friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 17:22:12
> Subject: Re: [pota_tv] The Horse Race;my 2nd fave
>
>
> Great picture, Wayne.  Where and when did they get their "stinking paws" on
you?
>
> Scott
>
> --- In friends_and_ fugitives@ yahoogroups. com, Wayne Sylvester
<wayne.sylvester@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > i love the horse race; 2nd to the interrogation has fave.
> > wayne sylvester
> > pic;me being ambushed by apes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: scottgeorge40 <segeorge98@ ...>
> > To: friends_and_ fugitives@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 1:36:42
> > Subject: [pota_tv] The Horse Race
> >
> >
> > I found this one more engaging than I had last time; but it felt rushed, at
times seeming to jump quickly from scene to scene to get it all in.  Although it
might have been the editing contributing to that impression.  Barlow's
justification that keeping humans from riding horses is for their own safety is
a great example to normalizing discrimination â€" but then getting permission
from Zaius for a human to ride in a race would be counter-productive to maintain
that restriction.  Overall, the dialogue was really effective in supporting the
story taking place in a strict caste society.  And Urko's power in Ape society
is demonstrated more than in any previous story â€" although how much of that
is actually based on authority would be interesting to explore.
> >
> > Scott
> >
>

Nice to see that the group photo is finally appropriate!

Scott

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Great picture, Wayne.  Where and when did they get their "stinking paws" on you?

Scott

--- In friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Sylvester
<wayne.sylvester@...> wrote:
>
> i love the horse race; 2nd to the interrogation has fave.
> wayne sylvester
> pic;me being ambushed by apes
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: scottgeorge40 <segeorge98@...>
> To: friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 1:36:42
> Subject: [pota_tv] The Horse Race
>
>
> I found this one more engaging than I had last time; but it felt rushed, at
times seeming to jump quickly from scene to scene to get it all in.  Although it
might have been the editing contributing to that impression.  Barlow's
justification that keeping humans from riding horses is for their own safety is
a great example to normalizing discrimination â€" but then getting permission
from Zaius for a human to ride in a race would be counter-productive to maintain
that restriction.  Overall, the dialogue was really effective in supporting the
story taking place in a strict caste society.  And Urko's power in Ape society
is demonstrated more than in any previous story â€" although how much of that is
actually based on authority would be interesting to explore.
>
> Scott
>

I found this one more engaging than I had last time; but it felt rushed, at
times seeming to jump quickly from scene to scene to get it all in.  Although it
might have been the editing contributing to that impression.  Barlow's
justification that keeping humans from riding horses is for their own safety is
a great example to normalizing discrimination – but then getting permission from
Zaius for a human to ride in a race would be counter-productive to maintain that
restriction.  Overall, the dialogue was really effective in supporting the story
taking place in a strict caste society.  And Urko's power in Ape society is
demonstrated more than in any previous story – although how much of that is
actually based on authority would be interesting to explore.

Scott

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I watched this several days ago, but just haven't had the time to post anything
-- also, I'm not quite sure how I feel about it.  Last time, this was one of my
favorites, despite some contrivances.  I still really like both the vigilante
plot and the unrequited love sub-plot.  But I'm less sure about combining them
(although, for the anti-prejudice theme, I suppose they had to be).  Again, I
feel the story was rushed -- Virdon's fight with the Dragoon gorilla (which is
apparently not passed on the the rest of the Dragoons [maybe he was embarassed])
could have been lost, as could the scuffle at the jail, in order to flesh out
the main plot -- some background information on Zon would have been welcome.  As
would reaction among the human population.

Without question McDowall steals the show.  It's no wonder Galen was his
favorite Ape character -- the others just weren't given the range of emotions
Galen had.

I still haven't decided whether to give it a 4 or a 5 (at one point, I even
considered a 3).


Scott

Hi Mark,

Your posts are always informative and interesting.  I enjoy your take on the
Apes, and your behind the scenes knowledge adds a lot.

I'm looking forward to your site's reviews.


Scott


--- In friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com, "mark_hadleyburg"
<mark.rogers@...> wrote:
>
> Much more what I'm looking for. Leander and Kira were great characters. Their
> relationship starts out very well, but then has to take a back seat to the
> adventure. It's great to see the "human" side of the Apes (besides Galen).
> Their discussion after the failed operation -- going from business to pleasure
> -- was very well done. Too bad they didn't even have time for their own
> epilogue. They were very much the TV series' Zira and Cornelius! I would have
> liked to have them back. The relationship between Travin and his daughter
> (Arna, but credited as "girl") is also nicely done, especially their final
> scene, with him vowing to repent. These four characters would have been a
great
> cast for a spinoff, with the hospital a convenient base for mounting human
> sympathies (and medical drama! :p).
>
> Zaius seemed less effective in this episode (not that he's given much to do);
> but Urko is his usual forceful self. Lenard really did seem to get into his
> character. And speaking of getting into character, this could be one of
> McDowall's best – both as Galen (especially with Kira) and as his alter ego,
Dr.
> Adrian.
>
> Great episode.
>
> Hi, Scott.
>
> THE SURGEON...
>
> To begin with, I have to confess that, as far as I'm concerned, *ALL* fourteen
episodes of the APES TV series are good.
>
> Maybe this means I'm uncritical (which isn't true, I think), or still so in
love with the show I can't see it's faults (which I also think is untrue...) but
I think that when you look back at the schedules and look at what else was on
(and the shows whose popularity killed APES) our show stands out as the one that
has endured and stood the test of time.
>
> I mean, I was a devotee of THE ROCKFORD FILES as well - and I know it is
highly respected and has a lot of devoted fans- but when it showed up on one of
the U.K. cable channels last year, and I started to watch it, I gave up after a
couple of weeks.
>
> The stories were insubstantial and uninvolving.
>
> APES, in contrast, has tremendous style and atmosphere and (if you'll forgive
me) humanity in the writing...
>
> Which brings me to THE SURGEON.
>
> I love the little touches to the story.
>
> As ever, the humour stands out.
>
> I love the exchange between Galen and Burke after Galen has been to "collect"
his medical degree: GALEN: "This is a smock, and it is for his faithful
servant!" BURKE: "Naturally."
>
> Also, the scene where Burke and Galen leave the hospital, heading into the
city, with their wistful discussion on how Galen used to travel the road many
times when he was engaged to Kira. The first exchange between Galen and Kira is
also really touching ("I loved you. To hear you say those words now... I'm sorry
I came...").
>
> This episode also has one of my favourite lines in the entire series: our hero
chimp's comment, later, in regard to the astronauts that, "They are my brothers
now."
>
> That chokes me every time I hear it...
>
> I also love the nice scene between Zaius and Urko which adds so much depth to
both characters and their relationship, in which the gorilla refers to himself,
self-mockingly, as, "a brutish policeman".
>
> All of this is proof that while this may be another variation on the
"astronauts captured" theme the series has been condemned as employing
repetitively, in the detail there was a lot of wonderful writing going on.
>
> I'm also always impressed by the fact that the Art Department went to the
trouble of obtaining/making that distinctive flower for that first scene with
Kira - proof they cared about what they were doing.
>
> On the downside, I hate the scene where Galen and Burke use the bust of Zaius
as a "stand in" for the "ailing" Orangutan. That's ridiculous and you know that
the gorillas waiting outside would NOT be fooled...
>
> There's also a blooper that is very funny - but a sign that someone wasn't
paying attention - in which Kira remarks of Leander that "...that man is not a
fool!"
>
> He's not a man, either - but a chimpanzee who, given the premise of the show,
would be very offended to be called a man...
>
> On another level, THE SURGEON is interesting because the story reflects a big
change in the structure of the series: for the first time, Galen has a major
role in an episode (I love the Galen-Kira-Leander strand) and, with Virdon
incapacitated, Burke also finally comes to the fore.
>
> In addition to the Burke, Girl, and Travin theme, we get to see Burke running
the tests and assisting in the pre-op organisation (what a shame his character
wasn't the medical doctor he had been conceived as originally...).
>
> In the original version of the story, it was Burke who was shot, and Virdon
himself who performed the operation, so the switch indicates that a major shift
in the character's status was going on behind the scenes...
>
> For my part, I don't think this has anything to do with the ratings.
>
> I'm fairly sure that THE SURGEON was actually being shot when the first
ratings for the series were issued after its debut on September 13th.
>
> Looking at the scripts I have in my collection, the FINAL REVISED version of
THE SURGEON was issued on Wednesday, September 11th. The last rewrites (in the
copy I have) were issued on Monday the 16th.
>
> Roddy McDowall's birthday was Tuesday the 17th, which was the day the writer
for TV GUIDE made his second visit to the set, putting together the feature on
the show that would be published on December 7th. He reports watching the
shooting of a scene in which the three fugitives were crossing a dry river bed -
which sounds like the opening for THE SURGEON - and in the feature the author
makes reference to the arrival that day of the poor ratings...
>
> So, the ratings were unknown when the script for the story was being
written...
>
> I think the changes to the structure of the show have more to do with the fact
that, when the series was initially conceived and the first scripts were being
written, McDowall hadn't been cast, and Galen was perceived as being a secondary
character, subordinate to the role of the "George Taylor" substitute - the lead
astronaut.
>
> In an interview that appeared in the April 1975 issue of Marvel's PLANET OF
THE APES magazine, the show's casting director, Marvin Paige, says that, "Now,
as far as the chimp, we had begun looking at actors for that role, never feeling
that Roddy would be interested at that point."
>
> With the casting of McDowall as Galen - and the fact he was given the "star"
billing (the billing he receives is superior to that of Harper and Naughton) -
Galen's character had to be given greater importance - hence the switch in
emphasis in THE SURGEON.
>
> As to why we see in this story that Naughton's character achieves an eminence
he hadn't enjoyed in previous segements, I wonder if this was down to McDowall's
influence - or a campaign by Naughton - and was a contribution to the antagonism
between the actors portraying the two human leads...?
>
> In any event: THE SURGEON.
>
> Yes.
>
> Great story.
>
> But aren't they all?
>
> Hoping this finds everyone healthy and happy,
>
> Mark.
>