I think the scene where Ann Darrow and Jack Driscoll escape from Kong
after falling from his mountain lair into the water below and their subsequent
race through the jungle is my favorite.

How Fay Wray could continue to look so composed, classy, and beautiful while
yet covered with mud, blood, and soaking wet and clothes all in tatters is
beyond me.

By the way, if we go by the screen captures in Steve's site of this particular
scene, you'll notice her hair is her actual dark auburn brown color and not
really the
blond wig.  Could have been taken from a dress rehearsal....interesting....

Hey gang,

I've been emailing with other F.W. Fans and like to know if
we can post a poll which you could make up....

For instance,
Which is our personal favorite scene of our Lady Fay
in our favorite movie???

We could all post on the poll and it'd be interesting to see which comes
in as favorite.....

Hey gang,

I've been emailing with other F.W. Fans and like to know if
we can post a poll which you could make up....

For instance,
Which is our personal favorite scene of our Lady Fay
in our favorite movie???

We could all post on the  poll and it'd be interesting to see which comes
in as favorite.....

Reference Web Page...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060611/ENTERTAINMENT/606110\
315/1005/ENTERTAINMENT



"Rick McKay, owner of Second Act Productions, will collect a Special
Award in November from the New England Theatre Conference for
"Broadway: The Golden Age." He's also working on "Broadway: The Next
Generation" and a documentary about Fay Wray ("King Kong"), who became
a personal friend several years ago."

-- Bonnie Britton

Evidently, this precious lady had something much more than physical
beauty, talent and an outstanding screaming ability which touched the
hearts of so many countless of thousands, yes even millions of people
all over the earth over the years.  And she continues to do so -
making a lasting impression although physically gone from us two years
now this coming August.

May she always rest in eternal peace - and may peace always reign
throughout her seed.

Hey people, just ran into this article:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/entertainment/movies/14671120.htm

One more round for K.K. and Our Lady Fay....if I may take the famous lines out
of
context a bit,  It Was Beauty That Killed The Beast, really should be, "It Was
Beauty That
"Made" the Beast",  if you all know what I mean....

It was "The Beauty"'s brilliant performance, and I do mean brilliant, which
"made" K.K.'33
the classic it always is and will be....


While KK 2005 out did most everything in digital effects, the next thing will be
King Kong
Holodeck ala Star Trek NG.  Or, maybe not.  but, K.K. laid the ground work and
if K.K. is
known throughout the whole world, it was certainly because of that gracious and
beautiful
lady (inside and out), in his palm....

And another case in point on this other brief comment found in the 8th paragraph
down in
this article at:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2101-2184196,00.html

It is Fay Wray and Fay Wray's performance in K.K. which will always be
remembered, not
Naomi Watt's.  I hate to sound as if I'm tearing into Naomi Watt's performance 
( I definitely
am not), but it is the performance of Fay Wray which will always be remembered
as long as
there is a copy of the original 1933 in someone's possession.

There was magic in her simple acting as Ann Darrow and magic in every other cast
member's performance.  Even magic in that little 18" furry doll and all it's
other
counterparts.

  No matter how extraordinary the CGI's are, there lacks something inspiring in
2005 KK, I
believe, and Fay Wray will always live on for her beauty, style, character, and
class.
IMHO.  I'm only sorry those of her class seem to have disappeared from today's
screen.






--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "Beverly Anne" <isa48_17@...> wrote:
>
> Here's more on the new comedy on Kong and Fay Wray....
>
> http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-06/05-18-06/13coastin.htm
>
> May not be Shakespeare but shows the original gang is still worth
> producing about....
>
> --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "Beverly Anne" <isa48_17@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, now a staged comedy about our favorite ape and his (and our Fair
> > Lady Fay).......
> >
> > Anything good enough to be still producing spawns almost 80 years
> > later, I would say, classifies as a classic.  CGI or no CGI effects.
> >
> > Read it for yourselves gang!
> >
> > http://broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=9659
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "Beverly Anne" <isa48_17@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't help it, I still have to say it again and again....will
> > ANYONE be discussing KK'2005 75
> > > years from now or remember Naomi Watts performance?
> > >
> > > Yes, I respond to myself - but only when comparing to the orginal
> > KK'33 and that precious
> > > Lady on the Other Hand....Our Lady Fay!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "bennydrinnon" <bennydrinnon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks like part of the problem here is that the writer of this
> > > > message wants to make a particular point and doesn't think anyone
> > > > else should differ with him.
> > > >
> > > > Since I didn't have any arguments about the idea that King Kong was
> > > > supposed to be a sympathetic charachter, I have no reason to argue
> > > > about that now.
> > > >
> > > > Since this is a club for Fay Wray, I also don't see any reason for
> > > > anyone to make arguments here that would tend to depict her in an
> > > > unfavorable light. - the living Fay Wray fan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, tony crnkovich <tonycrnk@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >   It is a well documented fact ( quotes galore )  that Merian C.
> > > > Cooper intended the audience to sympathize with Kong's plight
> > > > despite his ferocity, therefore it is not an overstatement to say
> > > > that Kong is the most sympathetic character in the film. Whenever
> > > > Ann Darrow is in peril it is Kong who springs to her rescue,
> > > > although she for her part never comes to appreciate this. Of course
> > > > her lack of appreciation can be justified, but that isn't the point;
> > > > the point is that Kong is totally misunderstood. There's even a
> > > > great bit of business in the film ( albeit very brief ) just before
> > > > the fight with the elasmosaurus where Kong picks up a flower, sniffs
> > > > it and is about to give it to Ann but is interrupted by her scream.
> > > > What would she think of Kong had he had the chance to give her the
> > > > flower? You really have to pay attention to catch this, but it's so
> > > > revealing of the  benevolent side to Kong's nature. Also, Ann Darrow
> > > > doesn't die at the end; Kong does, and in a very tragic way at that.
> > > > >  This is in no way intended to comment negatively on Fay Wray's
> > > > character in the film - on the contrary - I feel that this theme  of
> > > > unrequited affection is one of the primary reasons for the original
> > > > film's timeless appeal, and this is due in large part to Fay Wray's
> > > > performance.
> > > > >
> > > > > bennydrinnon <bennydrinnon@> wrote:   --- In
> > > > faywray@yahoogroups.com, "tonycrnk" <tonycrnk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have seen Peter Jackson's remake of "KING KONG" and I came out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the theater the same way I went in. That is to say my
> > > > expectations
> > > > > of
> > > > > > why this was a misguided ( albeit ambitious ) project were
> > > > > completely
> > > > > > and unsurprisingly fulfilled. I know that Jackson is a devoted
> > > > fan
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the original film as this is most obvious by his comments on the
> > > > > > DVD's extras, but I feel he really missed the mark with his
> > > > > rendition
> > > > > > of Cooper's original tale. Yes, the remake is definitely too
> > > > long.
> > > > > > The characters are all unneccesarilly padded out, and curiously
> > > > > > enough, this extra "character dimension" did nothing to make
> > > > them
> > > > > > more interesting for me. This is something that certain critcs
> > > > > would
> > > > > > like to lead people to believe - that deeper characterization is
> > > > > > always a good thing. Maybe, for some movies, but it works
> > > > against
> > > > > a
> > > > > > fable oriented film like "KING KONG". It's best to keep things
> > > > > simple
> > > > > > and direct, which is the secret behind anything that has ever
> > > > > > achieved a mythical and legendary status the way "KING KONG"
> > > > has.
> > > > > > Roger Ebert mentions in his review that Jackson's version
> > > > finally
> > > > > > presents a "flowering of possibilities" that the original never
> > > > > > approached, and that Fay Wray was never allowed the emotional
> > > > > range
> > > > > > in 1933 that Naomi Watts projects in the remake.
> > > > That "flowering",
> > > > > as
> > > > > > Ebert puts it, is precisely this remake's downfall as well as
> > > > the
> > > > > one
> > > > > > in '76. Do we really want to see Ann Darrow feel compassion for
> > > > > Kong?
> > > > > > Cooper intended that she never does, and this was a crucial and
> > > > > wise
> > > > > > decision because the result is that we feel much more sympathy
> > > > for
> > > > > > Kong at the end since he never was able to make his affection
> > > > for
> > > > > Ann
> > > > > > Darrow clear to her. He dies at the end a tragically
> > > > misunderstood
> > > > > > creature to everyone in the film, and it is only we, the
> > > > audience,
> > > > > > who really come to understand him. Furthermore, this fundamental
> > > > > > story element is what underlines the poignancy of the final
> > > > line ,
> > > > > It
> > > > > > was BEAUTY killed the Beast. As for Fay's performance, it is
> > > > > letter
> > > > > > perfect for me; she essays all aspects of the character -
> > > > > likeable,
> > > > > > innocent yet sexy, but strange hurtful in her rejection of Kong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand how anyone could say that Fay Wray
> > > > was "hurtful"
> > > > > in "rejecting" a giant monster that kept carrying her off and
> > > > > subjecting her to various perils.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the idea was that the charachter of King Kong was supposed
> > > > > to have a certain amount of pathos, like the monsters played by
> > > > Lon
> > > > > Chaney in silent movies, but you can take that sort of thing too
> > > > > far.
> > > > >
> > > > > My sympathies in this story would be entirely with the girl in the
> > > > > hairy paw. - the living Fay Wray fan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Here's more on the new comedy on Kong and Fay Wray....

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-06/05-18-06/13coastin.htm

May not be Shakespeare but shows the original gang is still worth
producing about....

--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "Beverly Anne" <isa48_17@...> wrote:
>
> Well, now a staged comedy about our favorite ape and his (and our Fair
> Lady Fay).......
>
> Anything good enough to be still producing spawns almost 80 years
> later, I would say, classifies as a classic.  CGI or no CGI effects.
>
> Read it for yourselves gang!
>
> http://broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=9659
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "Beverly Anne" <isa48_17@> wrote:
> >
> > I can't help it, I still have to say it again and again....will
> ANYONE be discussing KK'2005 75
> > years from now or remember Naomi Watts performance?
> >
> > Yes, I respond to myself - but only when comparing to the orginal
> KK'33 and that precious
> > Lady on the Other Hand....Our Lady Fay!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "bennydrinnon" <bennydrinnon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like part of the problem here is that the writer of this
> > > message wants to make a particular point and doesn't think anyone
> > > else should differ with him.
> > >
> > > Since I didn't have any arguments about the idea that King Kong was
> > > supposed to be a sympathetic charachter, I have no reason to argue
> > > about that now.
> > >
> > > Since this is a club for Fay Wray, I also don't see any reason for
> > > anyone to make arguments here that would tend to depict her in an
> > > unfavorable light. - the living Fay Wray fan
> > >
> > >
> > >   --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, tony crnkovich <tonycrnk@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >   It is a well documented fact ( quotes galore )  that Merian C.
> > > Cooper intended the audience to sympathize with Kong's plight
> > > despite his ferocity, therefore it is not an overstatement to say
> > > that Kong is the most sympathetic character in the film. Whenever
> > > Ann Darrow is in peril it is Kong who springs to her rescue,
> > > although she for her part never comes to appreciate this. Of course
> > > her lack of appreciation can be justified, but that isn't the point;
> > > the point is that Kong is totally misunderstood. There's even a
> > > great bit of business in the film ( albeit very brief ) just before
> > > the fight with the elasmosaurus where Kong picks up a flower, sniffs
> > > it and is about to give it to Ann but is interrupted by her scream.
> > > What would she think of Kong had he had the chance to give her the
> > > flower? You really have to pay attention to catch this, but it's so
> > > revealing of the  benevolent side to Kong's nature. Also, Ann Darrow
> > > doesn't die at the end; Kong does, and in a very tragic way at that.
> > > >  This is in no way intended to comment negatively on Fay Wray's
> > > character in the film - on the contrary - I feel that this theme  of
> > > unrequited affection is one of the primary reasons for the original
> > > film's timeless appeal, and this is due in large part to Fay Wray's
> > > performance.
> > > >
> > > > bennydrinnon <bennydrinnon@> wrote:   --- In
> > > faywray@yahoogroups.com, "tonycrnk" <tonycrnk@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have seen Peter Jackson's remake of "KING KONG" and I came out
> > > > of
> > > > > the theater the same way I went in. That is to say my
> > > expectations
> > > > of
> > > > > why this was a misguided ( albeit ambitious ) project were
> > > > completely
> > > > > and unsurprisingly fulfilled. I know that Jackson is a devoted
> > > fan
> > > > of
> > > > > the original film as this is most obvious by his comments on the
> > > > > DVD's extras, but I feel he really missed the mark with his
> > > > rendition
> > > > > of Cooper's original tale. Yes, the remake is definitely too
> > > long.
> > > > > The characters are all unneccesarilly padded out, and curiously
> > > > > enough, this extra "character dimension" did nothing to make
> > > them
> > > > > more interesting for me. This is something that certain critcs
> > > > would
> > > > > like to lead people to believe - that deeper characterization is
> > > > > always a good thing. Maybe, for some movies, but it works
> > > against
> > > > a
> > > > > fable oriented film like "KING KONG". It's best to keep things
> > > > simple
> > > > > and direct, which is the secret behind anything that has ever
> > > > > achieved a mythical and legendary status the way "KING KONG"
> > > has.
> > > > > Roger Ebert mentions in his review that Jackson's version
> > > finally
> > > > > presents a "flowering of possibilities" that the original never
> > > > > approached, and that Fay Wray was never allowed the emotional
> > > > range
> > > > > in 1933 that Naomi Watts projects in the remake.
> > > That "flowering",
> > > > as
> > > > > Ebert puts it, is precisely this remake's downfall as well as
> > > the
> > > > one
> > > > > in '76. Do we really want to see Ann Darrow feel compassion for
> > > > Kong?
> > > > > Cooper intended that she never does, and this was a crucial and
> > > > wise
> > > > > decision because the result is that we feel much more sympathy
> > > for
> > > > > Kong at the end since he never was able to make his affection
> > > for
> > > > Ann
> > > > > Darrow clear to her. He dies at the end a tragically
> > > misunderstood
> > > > > creature to everyone in the film, and it is only we, the
> > > audience,
> > > > > who really come to understand him. Furthermore, this fundamental
> > > > > story element is what underlines the poignancy of the final
> > > line ,
> > > > It
> > > > > was BEAUTY killed the Beast. As for Fay's performance, it is
> > > > letter
> > > > > perfect for me; she essays all aspects of the character -
> > > > likeable,
> > > > > innocent yet sexy, but strange hurtful in her rejection of Kong.
> > > > >
> > > > I don't understand how anyone could say that Fay Wray
> > > was "hurtful"
> > > > in "rejecting" a giant monster that kept carrying her off and
> > > > subjecting her to various perils.
> > > >
> > > > I think the idea was that the charachter of King Kong was supposed
> > > > to have a certain amount of pathos, like the monsters played by
> > > Lon
> > > > Chaney in silent movies, but you can take that sort of thing too
> > > > far.
> > > >
> > > > My sympathies in this story would be entirely with the girl in the
> > > > hairy paw. - the living Fay Wray fan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fay Wray discussion list - founded 7 Sept 1999
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   SPONSORED LINKS
> > > >         Wray ford   Actors and actresses   Link wray     Wray
> > > Adio wray   John wray
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     Visit your group "faywray" on the web.
> > > >
> > > >     To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> > > > ---------------------------------
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> > > >  Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Well, now a staged comedy about our favorite ape and his (and our Fair
Lady Fay).......

Anything good enough to be still producing spawns almost 80 years
later, I would say, classifies as a classic.  CGI or no CGI effects.

Read it for yourselves gang!

http://broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=9659











--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "Beverly Anne" <isa48_17@...> wrote:
>
> I can't help it, I still have to say it again and again....will
ANYONE be discussing KK'2005 75
> years from now or remember Naomi Watts performance?
>
> Yes, I respond to myself - but only when comparing to the orginal
KK'33 and that precious
> Lady on the Other Hand....Our Lady Fay!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "bennydrinnon" <bennydrinnon@> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like part of the problem here is that the writer of this
> > message wants to make a particular point and doesn't think anyone
> > else should differ with him.
> >
> > Since I didn't have any arguments about the idea that King Kong was
> > supposed to be a sympathetic charachter, I have no reason to argue
> > about that now.
> >
> > Since this is a club for Fay Wray, I also don't see any reason for
> > anyone to make arguments here that would tend to depict her in an
> > unfavorable light. - the living Fay Wray fan
> >
> >
> >   --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, tony crnkovich <tonycrnk@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >   It is a well documented fact ( quotes galore )  that Merian C.
> > Cooper intended the audience to sympathize with Kong's plight
> > despite his ferocity, therefore it is not an overstatement to say
> > that Kong is the most sympathetic character in the film. Whenever
> > Ann Darrow is in peril it is Kong who springs to her rescue,
> > although she for her part never comes to appreciate this. Of course
> > her lack of appreciation can be justified, but that isn't the point;
> > the point is that Kong is totally misunderstood. There's even a
> > great bit of business in the film ( albeit very brief ) just before
> > the fight with the elasmosaurus where Kong picks up a flower, sniffs
> > it and is about to give it to Ann but is interrupted by her scream.
> > What would she think of Kong had he had the chance to give her the
> > flower? You really have to pay attention to catch this, but it's so
> > revealing of the  benevolent side to Kong's nature. Also, Ann Darrow
> > doesn't die at the end; Kong does, and in a very tragic way at that.
> > >  This is in no way intended to comment negatively on Fay Wray's
> > character in the film - on the contrary - I feel that this theme  of
> > unrequited affection is one of the primary reasons for the original
> > film's timeless appeal, and this is due in large part to Fay Wray's
> > performance.
> > >
> > > bennydrinnon <bennydrinnon@> wrote:   --- In
> > faywray@yahoogroups.com, "tonycrnk" <tonycrnk@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have seen Peter Jackson's remake of "KING KONG" and I came out
> > > of
> > > > the theater the same way I went in. That is to say my
> > expectations
> > > of
> > > > why this was a misguided ( albeit ambitious ) project were
> > > completely
> > > > and unsurprisingly fulfilled. I know that Jackson is a devoted
> > fan
> > > of
> > > > the original film as this is most obvious by his comments on the
> > > > DVD's extras, but I feel he really missed the mark with his
> > > rendition
> > > > of Cooper's original tale. Yes, the remake is definitely too
> > long.
> > > > The characters are all unneccesarilly padded out, and curiously
> > > > enough, this extra "character dimension" did nothing to make
> > them
> > > > more interesting for me. This is something that certain critcs
> > > would
> > > > like to lead people to believe - that deeper characterization is
> > > > always a good thing. Maybe, for some movies, but it works
> > against
> > > a
> > > > fable oriented film like "KING KONG". It's best to keep things
> > > simple
> > > > and direct, which is the secret behind anything that has ever
> > > > achieved a mythical and legendary status the way "KING KONG"
> > has.
> > > > Roger Ebert mentions in his review that Jackson's version
> > finally
> > > > presents a "flowering of possibilities" that the original never
> > > > approached, and that Fay Wray was never allowed the emotional
> > > range
> > > > in 1933 that Naomi Watts projects in the remake.
> > That "flowering",
> > > as
> > > > Ebert puts it, is precisely this remake's downfall as well as
> > the
> > > one
> > > > in '76. Do we really want to see Ann Darrow feel compassion for
> > > Kong?
> > > > Cooper intended that she never does, and this was a crucial and
> > > wise
> > > > decision because the result is that we feel much more sympathy
> > for
> > > > Kong at the end since he never was able to make his affection
> > for
> > > Ann
> > > > Darrow clear to her. He dies at the end a tragically
> > misunderstood
> > > > creature to everyone in the film, and it is only we, the
> > audience,
> > > > who really come to understand him. Furthermore, this fundamental
> > > > story element is what underlines the poignancy of the final
> > line ,
> > > It
> > > > was BEAUTY killed the Beast. As for Fay's performance, it is
> > > letter
> > > > perfect for me; she essays all aspects of the character -
> > > likeable,
> > > > innocent yet sexy, but strange hurtful in her rejection of Kong.
> > > >
> > > I don't understand how anyone could say that Fay Wray
> > was "hurtful"
> > > in "rejecting" a giant monster that kept carrying her off and
> > > subjecting her to various perils.
> > >
> > > I think the idea was that the charachter of King Kong was supposed
> > > to have a certain amount of pathos, like the monsters played by
> > Lon
> > > Chaney in silent movies, but you can take that sort of thing too
> > > far.
> > >
> > > My sympathies in this story would be entirely with the girl in the
> > > hairy paw. - the living Fay Wray fan
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I can't help it, I still have to say it again and again....will ANYONE be
discussing KK'2005 75
years from now or remember Naomi Watts performance?

Yes, I respond to myself - but only when comparing to the orginal KK'33 and that
precious
Lady on the Other Hand....Our Lady Fay!









--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "bennydrinnon" <bennydrinnon@...> wrote:
>
> Looks like part of the problem here is that the writer of this
> message wants to make a particular point and doesn't think anyone
> else should differ with him.
>
> Since I didn't have any arguments about the idea that King Kong was
> supposed to be a sympathetic charachter, I have no reason to argue
> about that now.
>
> Since this is a club for Fay Wray, I also don't see any reason for
> anyone to make arguments here that would tend to depict her in an
> unfavorable light. - the living Fay Wray fan
>
>
>   --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, tony crnkovich <tonycrnk@>
> wrote:
> >
> >   It is a well documented fact ( quotes galore )  that Merian C.
> Cooper intended the audience to sympathize with Kong's plight
> despite his ferocity, therefore it is not an overstatement to say
> that Kong is the most sympathetic character in the film. Whenever
> Ann Darrow is in peril it is Kong who springs to her rescue,
> although she for her part never comes to appreciate this. Of course
> her lack of appreciation can be justified, but that isn't the point;
> the point is that Kong is totally misunderstood. There's even a
> great bit of business in the film ( albeit very brief ) just before
> the fight with the elasmosaurus where Kong picks up a flower, sniffs
> it and is about to give it to Ann but is interrupted by her scream.
> What would she think of Kong had he had the chance to give her the
> flower? You really have to pay attention to catch this, but it's so
> revealing of the  benevolent side to Kong's nature. Also, Ann Darrow
> doesn't die at the end; Kong does, and in a very tragic way at that.
> >  This is in no way intended to comment negatively on Fay Wray's
> character in the film - on the contrary - I feel that this theme  of
> unrequited affection is one of the primary reasons for the original
> film's timeless appeal, and this is due in large part to Fay Wray's
> performance.
> >
> > bennydrinnon <bennydrinnon@> wrote:   --- In
> faywray@yahoogroups.com, "tonycrnk" <tonycrnk@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have seen Peter Jackson's remake of "KING KONG" and I came out
> > of
> > > the theater the same way I went in. That is to say my
> expectations
> > of
> > > why this was a misguided ( albeit ambitious ) project were
> > completely
> > > and unsurprisingly fulfilled. I know that Jackson is a devoted
> fan
> > of
> > > the original film as this is most obvious by his comments on the
> > > DVD's extras, but I feel he really missed the mark with his
> > rendition
> > > of Cooper's original tale. Yes, the remake is definitely too
> long.
> > > The characters are all unneccesarilly padded out, and curiously
> > > enough, this extra "character dimension" did nothing to make
> them
> > > more interesting for me. This is something that certain critcs
> > would
> > > like to lead people to believe - that deeper characterization is
> > > always a good thing. Maybe, for some movies, but it works
> against
> > a
> > > fable oriented film like "KING KONG". It's best to keep things
> > simple
> > > and direct, which is the secret behind anything that has ever
> > > achieved a mythical and legendary status the way "KING KONG"
> has.
> > > Roger Ebert mentions in his review that Jackson's version
> finally
> > > presents a "flowering of possibilities" that the original never
> > > approached, and that Fay Wray was never allowed the emotional
> > range
> > > in 1933 that Naomi Watts projects in the remake.
> That "flowering",
> > as
> > > Ebert puts it, is precisely this remake's downfall as well as
> the
> > one
> > > in '76. Do we really want to see Ann Darrow feel compassion for
> > Kong?
> > > Cooper intended that she never does, and this was a crucial and
> > wise
> > > decision because the result is that we feel much more sympathy
> for
> > > Kong at the end since he never was able to make his affection
> for
> > Ann
> > > Darrow clear to her. He dies at the end a tragically
> misunderstood
> > > creature to everyone in the film, and it is only we, the
> audience,
> > > who really come to understand him. Furthermore, this fundamental
> > > story element is what underlines the poignancy of the final
> line ,
> > It
> > > was BEAUTY killed the Beast. As for Fay's performance, it is
> > letter
> > > perfect for me; she essays all aspects of the character -
> > likeable,
> > > innocent yet sexy, but strange hurtful in her rejection of Kong.
> > >
> > I don't understand how anyone could say that Fay Wray
> was "hurtful"
> > in "rejecting" a giant monster that kept carrying her off and
> > subjecting her to various perils.
> >
> > I think the idea was that the charachter of King Kong was supposed
> > to have a certain amount of pathos, like the monsters played by
> Lon
> > Chaney in silent movies, but you can take that sort of thing too
> > far.
> >
> > My sympathies in this story would be entirely with the girl in the
> > hairy paw. - the living Fay Wray fan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Looks like part of the problem here is that the writer of this
message wants to make a particular point and doesn't think anyone
else should differ with him.

Since I didn't have any arguments about the idea that King Kong was
supposed to be a sympathetic charachter, I have no reason to argue
about that now.

Since this is a club for Fay Wray, I also don't see any reason for
anyone to make arguments here that would tend to depict her in an
unfavorable light. - the living Fay Wray fan


   --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, tony crnkovich <tonycrnk@...>
wrote:
>
>   It is a well documented fact ( quotes galore )  that Merian C.
Cooper intended the audience to sympathize with Kong's plight
despite his ferocity, therefore it is not an overstatement to say
that Kong is the most sympathetic character in the film. Whenever
Ann Darrow is in peril it is Kong who springs to her rescue,
although she for her part never comes to appreciate this. Of course
her lack of appreciation can be justified, but that isn't the point;
the point is that Kong is totally misunderstood. There's even a
great bit of business in the film ( albeit very brief ) just before
the fight with the elasmosaurus where Kong picks up a flower, sniffs
it and is about to give it to Ann but is interrupted by her scream.
What would she think of Kong had he had the chance to give her the
flower? You really have to pay attention to catch this, but it's so
revealing of the  benevolent side to Kong's nature. Also, Ann Darrow
doesn't die at the end; Kong does, and in a very tragic way at that.
>  This is in no way intended to comment negatively on Fay Wray's
character in the film - on the contrary - I feel that this theme  of
unrequited affection is one of the primary reasons for the original
film's timeless appeal, and this is due in large part to Fay Wray's
performance.
>
> bennydrinnon <bennydrinnon@...> wrote:   --- In
faywray@yahoogroups.com, "tonycrnk" <tonycrnk@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I have seen Peter Jackson's remake of "KING KONG" and I came out
> of
> > the theater the same way I went in. That is to say my
expectations
> of
> > why this was a misguided ( albeit ambitious ) project were
> completely
> > and unsurprisingly fulfilled. I know that Jackson is a devoted
fan
> of
> > the original film as this is most obvious by his comments on the
> > DVD's extras, but I feel he really missed the mark with his
> rendition
> > of Cooper's original tale. Yes, the remake is definitely too
long.
> > The characters are all unneccesarilly padded out, and curiously
> > enough, this extra "character dimension" did nothing to make
them
> > more interesting for me. This is something that certain critcs
> would
> > like to lead people to believe - that deeper characterization is
> > always a good thing. Maybe, for some movies, but it works
against
> a
> > fable oriented film like "KING KONG". It's best to keep things
> simple
> > and direct, which is the secret behind anything that has ever
> > achieved a mythical and legendary status the way "KING KONG"
has.
> > Roger Ebert mentions in his review that Jackson's version
finally
> > presents a "flowering of possibilities" that the original never
> > approached, and that Fay Wray was never allowed the emotional
> range
> > in 1933 that Naomi Watts projects in the remake.
That "flowering",
> as
> > Ebert puts it, is precisely this remake's downfall as well as
the
> one
> > in '76. Do we really want to see Ann Darrow feel compassion for
> Kong?
> > Cooper intended that she never does, and this was a crucial and
> wise
> > decision because the result is that we feel much more sympathy
for
> > Kong at the end since he never was able to make his affection
for
> Ann
> > Darrow clear to her. He dies at the end a tragically
misunderstood
> > creature to everyone in the film, and it is only we, the
audience,
> > who really come to understand him. Furthermore, this fundamental
> > story element is what underlines the poignancy of the final
line ,
> It
> > was BEAUTY killed the Beast. As for Fay's performance, it is
> letter
> > perfect for me; she essays all aspects of the character -
> likeable,
> > innocent yet sexy, but strange hurtful in her rejection of Kong.
> >
> I don't understand how anyone could say that Fay Wray
was "hurtful"
> in "rejecting" a giant monster that kept carrying her off and
> subjecting her to various perils.
>
> I think the idea was that the charachter of King Kong was supposed
> to have a certain amount of pathos, like the monsters played by
Lon
> Chaney in silent movies, but you can take that sort of thing too
> far.
>
> My sympathies in this story would be entirely with the girl in the
> hairy paw. - the living Fay Wray fan
>
>
>
>
>
> Fay Wray discussion list - founded 7 Sept 1999
>
>
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Well, that's really good news - and that's the best Hollywood could
do against a digitalized monkey?












--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Hill" <shill66@...> wrote:
>
> King Kong actually tied for the most awards last night (four films
won three
> each: KK, Brokeback Mountain, Crash, and Memoirs of a Geisha).
> -Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > I read somewhere on the "net" that Naomi W. was going to be
> > nominated for something
> > but KK even mentioned for SFX?
> >
> > Well, Hollywood seems to still be on it's own "self-destruct"
> > path and they still don't get it.
>

Well, that's really good news - and that's the best Hollywood could
do against a digitalized monkey?












--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Hill" <shill66@...> wrote:
>
> King Kong actually tied for the most awards last night (four films
won three
> each: KK, Brokeback Mountain, Crash, and Memoirs of a Geisha).
> -Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > I read somewhere on the "net" that Naomi W. was going to be
> > nominated for something
> > but KK even mentioned for SFX?
> >
> > Well, Hollywood seems to still be on it's own "self-destruct"
> > path and they still don't get it.
>

King Kong actually tied for the most awards last night (four films won three
each: KK, Brokeback Mountain, Crash, and Memoirs of a Geisha).
-Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> I read somewhere on the "net" that Naomi W. was going to be
> nominated for something
> but KK even mentioned for SFX?
>
> Well, Hollywood seems to still be on it's own "self-destruct"
> path and they still don't get it.

I haven't watched the Oscars for a number of years but can anyone out there tell
me if
"King Kong 2005" or "Passion of Christ" even mentioned for box office draw.

I read somewhere on the "net" that Naomi W. was going to be nominated for
something
but KK even mentioned for SFX?

Well, Hollywood seems to still be on it's own "self-destruct" path and they
still
don't get it.

Our Lady Fay was right - "they shouldn't have even tried.

All I'll say for now, (thank goodness some of you are probably thinking),
is that the proof is still in the pudding.

Will Jackson's King Kong 2005 turn Hollywood upside down?
Will people be still transfixed by
Naomi's performance no matter how well she performed on screen
  - 75 years later?
Or will Naomi be known  by adoring fans should she decide to
cross the street one day - by multitudes in most any nation
of the world?

Will King Kong 2005 be released and re-released in every following
decade as was KK'33?  Will Naomi's performance or that of the
other players be remembered in our dreams
  - both at night or during the day?

(I remember one time in 3rd grade having sketched the entire film's scenario
in notebook to my teacher's amazement.)

Are there any kids today who will re-enact
the great scene of Kong breaking through the jungle growth in order to receive
his
sacrifical offering - and blinks then fixes his monstrous gaze on the hapless
Fay Wray?
Or will they prefer to stay home and play the great Kong on the Xbox.

Yet, three cheers for Peter Jackson who rendered both our furry friend
and his Fair Lady, (and ours), due honor.

"On The Other Hand", if I may, was it really necessary?











--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, tony crnkovich <tonycrnk@y...> wrote:
>
>   It is a well documented fact ( quotes galore )  that Merian C. Cooper
intended the
audience to sympathize with Kong's plight despite his ferocity, therefore it is
not an
overstatement to say that Kong is the most sympathetic character in the film.
Whenever
Ann Darrow is in peril it is Kong who springs to her rescue, although she for
her part never
comes to appreciate this. Of course her lack of appreciation can be justified,
but that isn't
the point; the point is that Kong is totally misunderstood. There's even a great
bit of
business in the film ( albeit very brief ) just before the fight with the
elasmosaurus where
Kong picks up a flower, sniffs it and is about to give it to Ann but is
interrupted by her
scream. What would she think of Kong had he had the chance to give her the
flower? You
really have to pay attention to catch this, but it's so revealing of the 
benevolent side to
Kong's nature. Also, Ann Darrow doesn't die at the end; Kong does, and in a very
tragic
way at that.
>  This is in no way intended to comment negatively on Fay Wray's character in
the film -
on the contrary - I feel that this theme  of unrequited affection is one of the
primary
reasons for the original film's timeless appeal, and this is due in large part
to Fay Wray's
performance.
>
> bennydrinnon <bennydrinnon@y...> wrote:   --- In faywray@yahoogroups.com,
"tonycrnk" <tonycrnk@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I have seen Peter Jackson's remake of "KING KONG" and I came out
> of
> > the theater the same way I went in. That is to say my expectations
> of
> > why this was a misguided ( albeit ambitious ) project were
> completely
> > and unsurprisingly fulfilled. I know that Jackson is a devoted fan
> of
> > the original film as this is most obvious by his comments on the
> > DVD's extras, but I feel he really missed the mark with his
> rendition
> > of Cooper's original tale. Yes, the remake is definitely too long.
> > The characters are all unneccesarilly padded out, and curiously
> > enough, this extra "character dimension" did nothing to make them
> > more interesting for me. This is something that certain critcs
> would
> > like to lead people to believe - that deeper characterization is
> > always a good thing. Maybe, for some movies, but it works against
> a
> > fable oriented film like "KING KONG". It's best to keep things
> simple
> > and direct, which is the secret behind anything that has ever
> > achieved a mythical and legendary status the way "KING KONG" has.
> > Roger Ebert mentions in his review that Jackson's version finally
> > presents a "flowering of possibilities" that the original never
> > approached, and that Fay Wray was never allowed the emotional
> range
> > in 1933 that Naomi Watts projects in the remake. That "flowering",
> as
> > Ebert puts it, is precisely this remake's downfall as well as the
> one
> > in '76. Do we really want to see Ann Darrow feel compassion for
> Kong?
> > Cooper intended that she never does, and this was a crucial and
> wise
> > decision because the result is that we feel much more sympathy for
> > Kong at the end since he never was able to make his affection for
> Ann
> > Darrow clear to her. He dies at the end a tragically misunderstood
> > creature to everyone in the film, and it is only we, the audience,
> > who really come to understand him. Furthermore, this fundamental
> > story element is what underlines the poignancy of the final line ,
> It
> > was BEAUTY killed the Beast. As for Fay's performance, it is
> letter
> > perfect for me; she essays all aspects of the character -
> likeable,
> > innocent yet sexy, but strange hurtful in her rejection of Kong.
> >
> I don't understand how anyone could say that Fay Wray was "hurtful"
> in "rejecting" a giant monster that kept carrying her off and
> subjecting her to various perils.
>
> I think the idea was that the charachter of King Kong was supposed
> to have a certain amount of pathos, like the monsters played by Lon
> Chaney in silent movies, but you can take that sort of thing too
> far.
>
> My sympathies in this story would be entirely with the girl in the
> hairy paw. - the living Fay Wray fan
>
>
>
>
>
> Fay Wray discussion list - founded 7 Sept 1999
>
>
>
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--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, "tonycrnk" <tonycrnk@y...> wrote:
>
> I have seen Peter Jackson's remake of "KING KONG" and I came out
of
> the theater the same way I went in. That is to say my expectations
of
> why this was a misguided ( albeit ambitious ) project were
completely
> and unsurprisingly fulfilled. I know that Jackson is a devoted fan
of
> the original film as this is most obvious by his comments on the
> DVD's extras, but I feel he really missed the mark with his
rendition
> of Cooper's original tale. Yes, the remake is definitely too long.
> The characters are all unneccesarilly padded out, and curiously
> enough, this extra "character dimension" did nothing to make them
> more interesting for me. This is something that certain critcs
would
> like to lead people to believe - that deeper characterization is
> always a good thing. Maybe, for some movies, but it works against
a
> fable oriented film like "KING KONG". It's best to keep things
simple
> and direct, which is the secret behind anything that has ever
> achieved a mythical and legendary status the way "KING KONG" has.
> Roger Ebert mentions in his review that Jackson's version finally
> presents a "flowering of possibilities" that the original never
> approached, and that Fay Wray was never allowed the emotional
range
> in 1933 that Naomi Watts projects in the remake. That "flowering",
as
> Ebert puts it, is precisely this remake's downfall as well as the
one
> in '76. Do we really want to see Ann Darrow feel compassion for
Kong?
> Cooper intended that she never does, and this was a crucial and
wise
> decision because the result is that we feel much more sympathy for
> Kong at the end since he never was able to make his affection for
Ann
> Darrow clear to her. He dies at the end a tragically misunderstood
> creature to everyone in the film, and it is only we, the audience,
> who really come to understand him. Furthermore, this fundamental
> story element is what underlines the poignancy of the final line ,
It
> was BEAUTY killed the Beast. As for Fay's performance, it is
letter
> perfect for me; she essays all aspects of the character -
likeable,
> innocent yet sexy, but strange hurtful in her rejection of Kong.
>
I don't understand how anyone could say that Fay Wray was "hurtful"
in "rejecting" a giant monster that kept carrying her off and
subjecting her to various perils.

I think the idea was that the charachter of King Kong was supposed
to have a certain amount of pathos, like the monsters played by Lon
Chaney in silent movies, but you can take that sort of thing too
far.

My sympathies in this story would be entirely with the girl in the
hairy paw. - the living Fay Wray fan

I think that is the most poignant and moving tribute anyone can make to Fay Wray
and the original Little Fella!And it says it all!  Beautiful!  Bravo Peter
Jackson!

Yes, I did stay until the very end of "Kong", during
my second viewing. I was very happy to see Fay's name
in the dedication at the very end of the credits. I
think the dedication also included the names of Robert
Armstrong and Merian C. Cooper (and possibly one or
two others). I plan to see the new "Kong" again over
the holidays, and I'll pay particular attention to the
dedication, in order to catch all the names.

Also, did everyone notice Fay being mentioned in the
New York City taxi cab scene at the beginning? Denham
and Preston are discussing the names of possible
actresses for their film, and one of them says that
Fay is unavailable because she's making a film at
R.K.O. with Cooper. That was nice to hear, especially
with a few ominous notes from Max Steiner's "Kong"
theme playing in the background!

- John

==================================

--- Steven Warren Hill <shill66@...> wrote:

> Just wondering if any of you who have seen King
> Kong have stayed through the entire film to see
> the dedication to Fay at the very end?
>
> If you haven't seen it yet and plan on doing so,
> stay.


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Just wondering if any of you who have seen King Kong have stayed
through the entire film to see the dedication to Fay at the very end?

If you haven't seen it yet and plan on doing so, stay.

I have seen Peter Jackson's remake of "KING KONG" and I came out of
the theater the same way I went in. That is to say my expectations of
why this was a misguided ( albeit ambitious ) project were completely
and unsurprisingly fulfilled. I know that Jackson is a devoted fan of
the original film as this is most obvious by his comments on the
DVD's extras, but I feel he really missed the mark with his rendition
of Cooper's original tale. Yes, the remake is definitely too long.
The characters are all unneccesarilly padded out, and curiously
enough, this extra "character dimension" did nothing to make them
more interesting for me. This is something that certain critcs would
like to lead people to believe - that deeper characterization is
always a good thing. Maybe, for some movies, but it works against a
fable oriented film like "KING KONG". It's best to keep things simple
and direct, which is the secret behind anything that has ever
achieved a mythical and legendary status the way "KING KONG" has.
Roger Ebert mentions in his review that Jackson's version finally
presents a "flowering of possibilities" that the original never
approached, and that Fay Wray was never allowed the emotional range
in 1933 that Naomi Watts projects in the remake. That "flowering", as
Ebert puts it, is precisely this remake's downfall as well as the one
in '76. Do we really want to see Ann Darrow feel compassion for Kong?
Cooper intended that she never does, and this was a crucial and wise
decision because the result is that we feel much more sympathy for
Kong at the end since he never was able to make his affection for Ann
Darrow clear to her. He dies at the end a tragically misunderstood
creature to everyone in the film, and it is only we, the audience,
who really come to understand him. Furthermore, this fundamental
story element is what underlines the poignancy of the final line , It
was BEAUTY killed the Beast. As for Fay's performance, it is letter
perfect for me; she essays all aspects of the character - likeable,
innocent yet sexy, but strange hurtful in her rejection of Kong.

Well, I haven't seen the movie yet, all I saw was the trailer(s) ...and I read a
lot of reviews...

So here goes.  Although the two movies were based on the same beloved furry
object of our affections - one is an orange and the other is a banana (no pun
intended).

The length of a movie doesn't really bother me as long as I feel I'm being
entertained.  I didn't mind the length of the "Ten Commandments" or "Dr.
Zhivago".  One review said, "don't go until you're an hour late into the movie
because you'll not miss anything...."  I can't say because I didn't see it, but
I hope that's not true.

What I see is one interpretation of Ann Darrow, superbly done and never to be
equaled...and another interpretation by another actress and handled quite
differently.  But just as good.

In other words, artistic liberty.  My favorite is and always will be Our Lady
Fay for sheer beauty and elegance and class.  But to bash Naomi's performance is
unjustified and is unfair.  It is an equally good performance but lacks the
former's polish, and finesse, IMHO.

If I hadn't seen KK 1933, I'd have to say this modern KK takes it all especially
in SPX and visual, pictorial beauty.  But they are two movies handled
differently with different interpretations by two different persons- almost 75
years apart in technological improvements and progress.

  I think Peter Jackson deserves honors for his rendition but it does not take
away one bit from the original.  If anything, it enhances it because if the
original were not the one to be beaten, why bother with another interpretation. 
Raphael was just as great a genius  painter as Michaelangelo, but Michaelangelo
is the model upon which all others followed - and Raphael was the first to admit
it.

I maybe wrong but I feel that the other two leading (human) characters were a
mis-match or mis-cast whatever one wants to say.  Andrien Brody is a fine actor
but give me Bruce Cabot anytime as Jack Driscoll - (and he certainly was not a
fine actor).

The proof of the pudding is in the fact of whether audiences will still be
talking about KK 2005, 75 years from now or will they still be talking about
1933 and Miss Ann Darrow, original.

King Kong, 1933 once saved Hollywood itself, not just RKO Studios.  Will King
Kong, 2005 be able to do so once again?  Will it be re-released every several
years as is Star Wars,etc?

Hollywood seems to be on "self-destruct" IMHO.  Movies have gotten so bad gosh
awful, I saw a report last night that kids rather spend their time on video
games than in today's movie theatres.  One review said the X-box K.K. game was
better than the movie itself.

Well, thank you for letting me go on and on, but I still think this will go on
to oblivion as the rest have done before.  All that is, except the little 18"
hero and the gal from Alberta, Canada.  But then what do I know, I've just seen
the trailers....
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hey gang, I thought I'd share something with you all and Happy Holidays to you
all!

Dear Loved Ones:

  As you well know, we are getting closer to My birthday. Every year there is a
celebration in My honor and I think that this year the celebration will be
repeated. During this time there are many people shopping for gifts, there are
many radio announcements, TV commercials, and in every part of the world
everyone is talking that My birthday is getting closer and closer.

  It is really very nice to know, that at least once a year, some people think of
Me.  As you know, the celebration of My birthday began many years ago.

At first people seemed to understand and be thankful of all that I did for them,
but in these times, no one seems to know the reason for the celebration or for
season. Family and friends get together and have a lot of fun, but they don't
know the meaning of the celebration.

I remember that last year there was a great feast in My honor. The dinner table
was full of delicious foods, pastries, fruits, assorted nuts and chocolates. The
decorations were exquisite and there were many, many beautifully wrapped gifts.

But, do you want to know something? I wasn't invited. I was the guest of honor
and they didn't remember to send Me an invitation. The party was for Me, but
when that great day came, I was left outside, they closed the door in My face
....  I wanted to be with them and share their table so badly.

  In truth, that didn't surprise Me because in the last few years many close
their doors to Me. Since I wasn't invited, I decided to enter the party without
making any noise. I went in and stood in a corner. They were all drinking; there
were some who were drunk and telling jokes and laughing at everything. They were
having a grand time. To top it all, this big fat man all dressed in red wearing
a long white beard entered the room yelling "Ho-Ho-Ho!" He seemed drunk. He
  sat on the sofa and all the children ran to him, shouting: "Santa, Santa Claus"
.. as if the party were in his honor!

  At 12 Midnight all the people began to hug each other; I extended My arms
waiting for someone to hug me and ... do you know ... no one came.

  Suddenly they all began to share gifts. They opened them one by one with great
expectation. When all had been opened, I looked to see if, maybe, there was one
for Me.

And, there wasn't.  I then understood that I was unwanted at that party and
quietly left.

  Every year it gets worse. People only remember to eat and drink, the gifts, the
parties and nobody remembers Me.

I would like this Christmas that you allow Me to enter into your life. I would
like that you recognize the fact that almost two thousand years ago I came to
this world to give My life for you, on the cross, to save you. Today, I only
want that you believe this with all your heart.

  I want to share something with you. As many didn't invite Me to their
party, I will have My own celebration, a grandiose party that no one has ever
imagined, a spectacular party. I'm still making the final arrangements. Today I
am sending out many invitations and there is an invitation for you.

I want to know if you wish to attend and I will make a reservation for you and
write your name with golden letters in My great guest book. Only those on the
guest list will be invited to the party. Those who don't answer the invite, will
be left outside.

Be prepared because when all is ready you will be part of My great party.

See you soon.  I Love you!   Jesus

  P.S. Please share this message with your loved ones, before Christmas.

>"It's difficult to put aside Kong's obscene length..."

Why is everyone so hung up on the movie's length? It's as if there's never
been a three-hour movie before! Get over it, folks!

>I knew it.  I knew it.  Oh my prophetic soul!  Why Bother?  How can you
upgrade on a classic with classic performances.

Well, I saw the movie last night, and loved it from start to finish. You
KNOW I'm a die-hard fan of the original film. I loved this movie.
-Steve

Hello My Darklings,

I thought it only polite to introduce myself as a new member to the
group.

I just adore old movies. Specially horrors and sci-fi. Fay Wray has
to be one of my favourates. Some people have said that I look a
little like her.

I am Leila Domini. The shows I perform include burlesque, belly
dancing, pole dance, singing and fire poi. Im an all round showgirl I
suppose. I also models fetish and alternative wear.

Besides dancing and modeling I create and sell my own dance costumes
and Rockabilly/Psychobilly clothing as well.

My next shoot will be on the 18th of this month with Mr. Jeff Mead.
More Burlesque delights for you. Those photos will be posted as soon
as possible. Also I will have a lot of projects in the spring time.
You will be seeing some pictures in various competions and
exhibitions etc. very soon.

Feel free to explore my group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeilaDomini/ and introduce yourself. I
do so like to meet new people.

Miss Leila D.

Good article John.  And I know the new movie will be superior in many points.  I
don't think
it will be in many others though.

There's a line from Shakespeare and I can't remember which play or the complete
title,
perhaps, "Three Gentlemen from Varona".  It goes something like, "me think me
protesttoo
much."

In other words, it seems like the Peter Jackson's publicity dept. is in over
drive trying to
prove that shortly before she passed away, the original Ann Darrow passed the
baton to
Naomi Watts.

I smell something rotten in Denmark, so to speak.  Up to now, the pr dept. I
think, told the
truth, that Our Lady Fay didn't get to commit to endorsing the movie.

Now, all of a sudden, the very week of the launch, we are to believe that Fay
Wray "saw the
light" and blessed the entire project.  I don't think she cursed the project as
she was too
much of a lady.  Now according to this article she was supposed to have shouted
at Naomi
Watts in jest.

Fay Wray may have been the undisputed screamer in cinema history but no one can
ever
say they heard her shout at anyone or anything...she was too much a lady.  I do
think it's
pretty awful for them to utilize a false testimony of the deceased actress if it
is indeed
false.

However, they must be pretty hard up trying to pump this Ann Darrow.  It'll only
last the
first 3 weeks.  After that, Naomi will go the same way as the last Ann Darrow -
into
oblivion, unable to surpass the original - Our Fair Lady Fay!












--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, John Weber <oneders63@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Here is a link to an article about Naomi Watts and the
> new "King Kong", in which she talks about her meeting
> with Fay just a few months before she passed away:
> http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2005/12/11/1348772.html
>
> (The text of this article follows, just in case the
> above link doesn't work.)
>
> I'm going the see the new "King Kong" tomorrow
> afternoon. Although I'm certain that it will never
> take the place of the original "Kong" in my heart, I'm
> impressed with everything that I've seen of it so far.
> Everyone involved with this new production seems
> genuinely committed to making a film with the same
> timeless elements of adventure, romance, and "sense of
> wonder" that made the original version so special. I
> wish them and their film all the success in the world,
> and I hope that it will inspire new "Kong" fans to
> check out the original version - and all that our Lady
> Fay brought to it.
>
> - John
>
>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> "Watts takes over for Fay Wray"
>
> Before her death in 2004, the original
> scream queen of King Kong gave Naomi Watts
> her blessing
>
> By JIM SLOTEK -- Toronto Sun (Dec. 11, 2005)
>
> NEW YORK -- If you're set to play King Kong's latest
> girlfriend, it's not the most auspicious beginning to
> have Fay Wray scream at you -- and we don't mean in
> terror.
>
> But that's how it went when Naomi met Fay -- Naomi
> Watts being the leading lady in Peter Jackson's big,
> noisy $200-million homage to the 1933 classic.
>
> "Meeting Fay was wonderful. And at 96, her humour was
> still right there," Watts says of dinner with the
> famous screamer. "Peter introduced me to her as 'the
> new Ann Darrow.' And she looked at me and said
> (shouting) YOU'RE NOT ANN DARROW, I AM! I'M ANN
> DARROW!
>
> "We had a nice dinner and chitchatted, and at the end
> of the night we dropped her off and all kissed and
> hugged and she whispered in my ear , 'Ann Darrow's in
> good hands.' Those were some great parting words
> because it felt like she was giving me permission. I
> was given the baton." The Canadian-born film legend
> died a few months later in August, 2004.
>
> And though she remained "concerned about living up to
> this iconic part," Watts did make a case for her own
> screaming recently, when she broke a window with a
> shriek.
>
> "I was asked to scream on a live TV show and we were
> on a hotel balcony and they had a hot light on a
> window going through to me on the balcony. So I think
> the combination of my scream and the heat from the
> lamp created some weird vibration and it literally
> cracked from floor to ceiling. I've never been able to
> do it again."
>
> The irony is that in this King Kong, the ape and Ann
> Darrow get the screaming over with in fairly short
> order and become fast friends. The actress even makes
> him laugh with vaudeville dance moves (like its
> predecessor, the movie follows a film crew's adventure
> from Depression era New York to mysterious Skull
> Island).
>
> "You've got two desperate beings," Watts says. "Kong
> is desperately lonely and hasn't had companionship for
> years, and (Darrow) suffers from the same thing only
> in a very different way from her tough life in New
> York."
>
> So it's a love story, a triangle in fact, given that
> she has a human love interest too, in playwright Jack
> Driscoll (Adrien Brody). "Someone said to me, if those
> two were welded into one, it would definitely be the
> perfect man. Adrien is the wordsmith and Kong has all
> the soul, and the power as well." She stops and laughs
> at her own analogy. "You just have to go there," she
> says.
>
> In fact, the soulful monkey eyes she stared into
> throughout filming belonged to Andy Serkis. The actor
> who "created" Lord Of The Rings' Gollum via "motion
> capture" CG, took that to the next level by providing
> the template for Kong, down to the tiniest facial
> movement.
>
> "Andy and I had very good chemistry. There were times
> we'd fall down laughing going, 'What are we doing? He
> was always up in this big tractor thing and that was
> my eyeline. But I'm supposed to fit in the palm of his
> hand for when he was doing motion capture, so we gave
> him Barbies and dressed them up and that was me."
>
> One aspect she couldn't empathize with was having to
> be rescued.
>
> "I was raised by a woman who's a complete survivor and
> she taught my brother and me how to do it ourselves,"
> Watts says. Her father, Peter Watts, a sound engineer
> for Pink Floyd, died when Naomi was young. And her
> mother Miv kept the family on the move before they
> settled in Australia. Watts credits that example for
> helping her stick it out for years in Hollywood before
> breaking in Mulholland Drive, The Ring and 21 Grams
> (for which she earned an Oscar nom).
>
> "That's why I loved that Ann Darrow is a survivor.
> When we meet her she's at an absolute low point,
> resorting to stealing food. I can identify with
> struggle. Maybe not to that degree, but I know what it
> is to struggle."
>
>
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Hi!

Here is a link to an article about Naomi Watts and the
new "King Kong", in which she talks about her meeting
with Fay just a few months before she passed away:
http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2005/12/11/1348772.html

(The text of this article follows, just in case the
above link doesn't work.)

I'm going the see the new "King Kong" tomorrow
afternoon. Although I'm certain that it will never
take the place of the original "Kong" in my heart, I'm
impressed with everything that I've seen of it so far.
Everyone involved with this new production seems
genuinely committed to making a film with the same
timeless elements of adventure, romance, and "sense of
wonder" that made the original version so special. I
wish them and their film all the success in the world,
and I hope that it will inspire new "Kong" fans to
check out the original version - and all that our Lady
Fay brought to it.

- John

  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"Watts takes over for Fay Wray"

Before her death in 2004, the original
scream queen of King Kong gave Naomi Watts
her blessing

By JIM SLOTEK -- Toronto Sun (Dec. 11, 2005)

NEW YORK -- If you're set to play King Kong's latest
girlfriend, it's not the most auspicious beginning to
have Fay Wray scream at you -- and we don't mean in
terror.

But that's how it went when Naomi met Fay -- Naomi
Watts being the leading lady in Peter Jackson's big,
noisy $200-million homage to the 1933 classic.

"Meeting Fay was wonderful. And at 96, her humour was
still right there," Watts says of dinner with the
famous screamer. "Peter introduced me to her as 'the
new Ann Darrow.' And she looked at me and said
(shouting) YOU'RE NOT ANN DARROW, I AM! I'M ANN
DARROW!

"We had a nice dinner and chitchatted, and at the end
of the night we dropped her off and all kissed and
hugged and she whispered in my ear , 'Ann Darrow's in
good hands.' Those were some great parting words
because it felt like she was giving me permission. I
was given the baton." The Canadian-born film legend
died a few months later in August, 2004.

And though she remained "concerned about living up to
this iconic part," Watts did make a case for her own
screaming recently, when she broke a window with a
shriek.

"I was asked to scream on a live TV show and we were
on a hotel balcony and they had a hot light on a
window going through to me on the balcony. So I think
the combination of my scream and the heat from the
lamp created some weird vibration and it literally
cracked from floor to ceiling. I've never been able to
do it again."

The irony is that in this King Kong, the ape and Ann
Darrow get the screaming over with in fairly short
order and become fast friends. The actress even makes
him laugh with vaudeville dance moves (like its
predecessor, the movie follows a film crew's adventure
from Depression era New York to mysterious Skull
Island).

"You've got two desperate beings," Watts says. "Kong
is desperately lonely and hasn't had companionship for
years, and (Darrow) suffers from the same thing only
in a very different way from her tough life in New
York."

So it's a love story, a triangle in fact, given that
she has a human love interest too, in playwright Jack
Driscoll (Adrien Brody). "Someone said to me, if those
two were welded into one, it would definitely be the
perfect man. Adrien is the wordsmith and Kong has all
the soul, and the power as well." She stops and laughs
at her own analogy. "You just have to go there," she
says.

In fact, the soulful monkey eyes she stared into
throughout filming belonged to Andy Serkis. The actor
who "created" Lord Of The Rings' Gollum via "motion
capture" CG, took that to the next level by providing
the template for Kong, down to the tiniest facial
movement.

"Andy and I had very good chemistry. There were times
we'd fall down laughing going, 'What are we doing? He
was always up in this big tractor thing and that was
my eyeline. But I'm supposed to fit in the palm of his
hand for when he was doing motion capture, so we gave
him Barbies and dressed them up and that was me."

One aspect she couldn't empathize with was having to
be rescued.

"I was raised by a woman who's a complete survivor and
she taught my brother and me how to do it ourselves,"
Watts says. Her father, Peter Watts, a sound engineer
for Pink Floyd, died when Naomi was young. And her
mother Miv kept the family on the move before they
settled in Australia. Watts credits that example for
helping her stick it out for years in Hollywood before
breaking in Mulholland Drive, The Ring and 21 Grams
(for which she earned an Oscar nom).

"That's why I loved that Ann Darrow is a survivor.
When we meet her she's at an absolute low point,
resorting to stealing food. I can identify with
struggle. Maybe not to that degree, but I know what it
is to struggle."


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