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Re: Julie Haydon

No doubt about it John, those screams were definitely Our Lady Fay's.
It was the same roboast tonal quality, pitch, and disciplined control
of Fay Wray in all the
other films in which her screams were demanded for her role. No one
else has been able
to duplicate it. Almost operatic in nature.

Her screams promoted a sense of sudden, unexpected horror laced with
the indignity of
having her dignity violated by that horror. This woman had class and
did everything with
class throughout her life, even throughout the mistakes she may have
committed. She had
class, dignity, and loved living. Especially her screams, had a
touch of class.


--- In faywray@yahoogroups.com, John Weber <oneders63@y...> wrote:
> No, this rumor has never been verified and I don't
> believe it for a second. Fay did HER OWN screaming in
> "King Kong" and in all her other movies.
>
> This rumor has also recently been dicussed on
> KongIsKing.net's "Vintage Kong: Film History" message
> board. I posted the following message there, in an
> attempt to dispel any doubts about Fay and her unique
> vocal contribution to film history.
>
> John
>
> =====================================
>
> This rumor pops up every once in a while. I was hoping
> it wouldn't pop up here. It might be tempting for some
> to believe that someone else dubbed Fay's screams in
> "King Kong", but it just isn't true.
>
> Julie Haydon was a contract player at RKO at the time
> that "King Kong" was being produced. There are OTHER
> female screams in the New York sequence besides those
> from Fay. RKO probably required many of their
> actresses to help out in the dubbing room, to provide
> all the screams heard when Kong breaks loose in the
> theater. Haydon was probably one of those actresses,
> and she probably told her family and friends that she
> recorded screams for "King Kong", who then assumed
> that she meant Fay's screams. But now, I believe that
> Haydon's alleged participation in this aspect of the
> film's production has been blown way out of
> proportion. I believe that Haydon's originally honest
> claim has become misremembered and distorted over the
> years, by well-meaning family members and friends.
>
> Unfortunately, some historians (who should know
> better) apparently believe Haydon's now-distorted
> claim for no other reason than "Well, why would she
> lie about this?" And now, this bit of misinformation
> has been put forth as probable fact in at least two
> (otherwise wonderful) books about early horror movie
> history. It has also been cited in a "scream queens"
> documentary hosted by Christopher Lee. Since this
> unsupported claim is now on the printed page, even
> more people are starting to believe that it might be
> true.
>
> A good historian should obtain verification, before
> repeating and perpetuating unsubstantiated claims,
> especially when they contradict established fact. Fay
> herself has stated in numerous interviews how she
> recorded many screams for "King Kong", which were then
> placed throughout the film by sound editor Murray
> Spivack. Spivack has also recalled in interviews how
> he edited Fay's screams, and even sometimes altered
> the speed of the recordings to better match the pitch
> of Max Steiner's musical score. As far as I can tell,
> Spivack has NEVER confirmed any claim that Fay's
> screams were not her own. And now, with both Fay Wray
> and Murray Spivack gone (and no one else from the
> original "Kong" remaining), it's impossible to verify
> Haydon's claim.
>
> Once again, it's tempting to believe that someone else
> recorded Fay's screams. Just like it's tempting to
> believe claims that Kong was actually played by a man
> in a gorilla suit, or that the shower scene in
> "Psycho" was really directed by someone other than
> Alfred Hitchcock, or that you can see a dead body
> hanging in the background of a shot in "The Wizard Of
> Oz", or that Jimmy Page played the guitar solo in The
> Kinks' "You Really Got Me". But these are all just
> urban legends and false claims without a shred of
> evidence to back them up.
>
> Fay Wray did her own screaming in "King Kong". No one
> dubbed the screams for her. Fay had a very unique and
> expressive quality to her screams, making them easy to
> distinguish from anyone else's. Also, Fay's screams in
> "King Kong" sound the same as her screams in RKO's
> "The Most Dangerous Game"; in Warner's "Mystery Of The
> Wax Museum", "Doctor X", and "Captain Thunder"; and in
> Majestic's "The Vampire Bat". And, from a practical
> standpoint, even if someone did dub Fay's screams for
> "King Kong", it is VERY UNLIKELY that the same person
> dubbed ALL of Fay's screams for productions at THREE
> DIFFERENT STUDIOS.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Visit the following link to see the above message's
> posting at KongIsKing.net, along with other postings
> on the same topic:
> http://boards.kongisking.net/perl/gforum.cgi?pos
t=51223;sb=post_time;so=DESC;
forum_view=forum_view_expanded;guest=461973
>
> =============================
>
> --- "K.Y." <ehsmith@f...> wrote:
>
> > I ran across an item on eBay related to actress
> > Julie Haydon who,
> > according to the auction listing, was the actual
> > voice for Fay's
> > screams in "King Kong". Has this information been
> > verified or is it
> > an ugly rumor that doesn't pass the smell test?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:40 am

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I ran across an item on eBay related to actress Julie Haydon who, according to the auction listing, was the actual voice for Fay's screams in "King Kong". Has...
K.Y.
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Jun 27, 2005
9:44 pm

No, this rumor has never been verified and I don't believe it for a second. Fay did HER OWN screaming in "King Kong" and in all her other movies. This rumor...
John Weber
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Jun 27, 2005
10:44 pm

Thanks very much for the long & detailed explanation. I was extremely suspicious of this rumor, and what you've stated blows it out of the water. It's very...
K.Y.
kpyng
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Jun 28, 2005
3:06 am

No doubt about it John, those screams were definitely Our Lady Fay's. It was the same roboast tonal quality, pitch, and disciplined control of Fay Wray in all...
Beverly Anne
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Jun 28, 2005
3:06 am

If one compares Fay to Glenda Farrell in "Wax Museum", Fay's screams are indeed robust and strong while Glenda's screaming is shrill & like a frightened young...
K.Y.
kpyng
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Jun 29, 2005
2:02 am

OPPS! I JUST FOUND THE SAME FILE ALREADY ON THE WEB SITE PEOPLE!....sorry Steve (gulp) ...but the tv interview perhaps would be interesting to watch at.... ...
Beverly Anne
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