Kedar here again!
   I am amazed by your response and I have
indeed found some useful links.
    Often in TLOR Tolkien uses words
like "nigh" , "ere" , "anon" .These words
I think were used in the Old English but
I am not sure of their meaning.!
   Can anyone comment on this????

Kedar

kedarnath_r@... wrote:

>    Often in TLOR Tolkien uses words like "nigh"

Synonym for "near".  Originally, "nigh" mean "near" and "near"
meant what is now "nearer": it was an irregular comparative.

> "ere"

Before.

> "anon"

In the future, anywhere from "immediately" to "soon".

> These words I think were used in the Old English

"Old English" in the technical sense ended in 1066.
You mean "Early Modern English".  All these terms
were current in the 16th and the 17th century and
were common in poetry right through the 19th.

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> "Old English" in the technical sense ended in 1066.
> You mean "Early Modern English".  All these terms
> were current in the 16th and the 17th century and
> were common in poetry right through the 19th.

There is one site, which is an online Tolkien
Encyclopedia, if not mistaken it's called Arda
project. There is a section there with a list of all
(hm.. many) archaic words that Tolkien uses and their
meaning.. unfortunately I dont have the link right
now.. if anyone has??

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>There is one site, which is an online Tolkien
>Encyclopedia, if not mistaken it's called Arda
>project. There is a section there with a list of all
>(hm.. many) archaic words that Tolkien uses and their
>meaning.. unfortunately I dont have the link right
>now.. if anyone has??

It's called the Encyclopedia of Arda, and is located at this URL:

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

The link to the list of archaic words is in the bar to the left.


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--- In elfscript@y..., kedarnath_r@r... wrote:


>    Often in TLOR Tolkien uses words
> like "nigh" , "ere" , "anon" .These words
> I think were used in the Old English but
> I am not sure of their meaning.!
>   Can anyone comment on this????


You can also look these word up in a dictionary.  A good dictionary
will often have information on the background of certain words.  I
would recommend Webster or Oxford.  Get one that is on a college level
- the definitions are more detailed.  Whenever I come across an
unfamiliar word, I make it a practice to look it up in a dictionary.
You'll find that it can be your best friend!

Lola

Hello!

Can anybody help me to put my Dutch tengwar mode into HTML -or
whatever? I am not that good with computers and still want it on the
net. If you are willing to help me with this please let me know and
I'll send you the file in Word-format.

Bloedgroet, Izegrim

Hi,
Kedar here.
I would like to know if "mithrilien" is the word for "land of
mithril".

> Hi,
> Kedar here.
> I would like to know if "mithrilien" is the word for "land of
> mithril".

Hi Kedar!

I guess this is rather a question for Elfling, but I'd say
_Mithrilien_ is definitely a correct formulation. I wouldn't
say it's *the* word, the one and only possible translation.
_Mithrildor_ should certainly be just as correct.

Yrs,
    Måns

Hi Kedar here!!
   I would like to know if anybody here is from India or knows any elfscipt
enthusiast from India,because I think that the grammar of the elven
language is quite akin to some of those in India.
Of course I am from India.

Kedar.

--- In elfscript@y..., kedarnath_r@r... wrote:
> Hi Kedar here!!
>   I would like to know if anybody here is from India or knows any
elfscipt
> enthusiast from India,because I think that the grammar of the elven
> language is quite akin to some of those in India.
> Of course I am from India.
>
> Kedar.

Actually, Tolkien himself wrote that the Elven languages were heavily
European... which is true. The grammar of the Elven languages is
heavily European.

I dont know if its the right place to ask but did ents ever find
entwives???

Kedar.

Hi Kedar!

> I dont know if its the right place to ask but did ents ever find
> entwives???

This is probably the wrong forum for your question -- ElfScript
discusses the writing systems of Tolkien's mythology. I suggest you read
the Tolkien Hypertextualized FAQ, which has an excellent discussion of
this very topic (at
http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~bouvin/tolkien/entwives.html).

Yours,
	 Måns

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you have links to my documents, you should reset your bookmarks.
Please note also that my e-mail address has changed.

Hi to all of you!

One week ago, I was looking for a way to write with the Internation
Phonetic Alphabet, and I stumbled upon a Windows utility that can be
programmed for writing Tengwar too. Here's what it is:

It is called Keyman (Keyboard Manager) and it is available from
www.tavultesoft.com. It can replace (sequences of) characters with other
(sequences of) characters while you're typing in, for example, a word
processor. With the Development Kit, anyone can program `keyboards'. There
are keyboards that simulate deadkeys and for all kids of exotic languages.
So I hacked together a keyboard for English/Sindarin that uses Dan Smith's
font mapping. It is at English/Sindarin that uses Dan Smith's font
mapping. It is at www.ai.rug.nl/~flobbe/tengwar/

I think this is a great utility, especially because it can be used from
any Windows program that allows you to select a Tengwar font. If anyone is
going to use this utility with my keyboard, or even to program a keyboard
of himself, I would really like to hear something about it.

This is quite a long posting now. The rest of the info is at my website
(don't expect too much of it, I don't have time to create a decent
website, since I'm too busy with Tengwar) and in the zip-file you can
download from there.

Bye and I hope this didn't sound too much like a commercial,

Liesbeth

Hi again!

I've been unable to reach Tavultesoft's website for the past few hours.
If you're impatient (or if something is really wrong with Tavultesoft),
you can get an older version of Keyman from
http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/keyman.html. It won't work with my
keyboard, though, unless you tweak the headers of the source.

This is another address where you can get a FREE virtual keyboard --
not ideal maybe, with some limitations, but pretty configurable:
http://www.ac.net/~lakerat/cnt/
It's the Lake Software Click-N-Type.
Ronald Kyrmse / Certur Harmatir
(Visit me at http://users.sti.com.br/rkyrmse)


--- In elfscript@y..., Liesbeth Flobbe <flobbe@a...> wrote:
> Hi to all of you!
>
> One week ago, I was looking for a way to write with the Internation
> Phonetic Alphabet, and I stumbled upon a Windows utility that can be
> programmed for writing Tengwar too. Here's what it is:
>
> It is called Keyman (Keyboard Manager) and it is available from
> www.tavultesoft.com. It can replace (sequences of) characters with
other
> (sequences of) characters while you're typing in, for example, a
word
> processor. With the Development Kit, anyone can program
`keyboards'. There
> are keyboards that simulate deadkeys and for all kids of exotic
languages.
> So I hacked together a keyboard for English/Sindarin that uses Dan
Smith's
> font mapping. It is at English/Sindarin that uses Dan Smith's font
> mapping. It is at www.ai.rug.nl/~flobbe/tengwar/
>
> I think this is a great utility, especially because it can be used
from
> any Windows program that allows you to select a Tengwar font. If
anyone is
> going to use this utility with my keyboard, or even to program a
keyboard
> of himself, I would really like to hear something about it.
>
> This is quite a long posting now. The rest of the info is at my
website
> (don't expect too much of it, I don't have time to create a decent
> website, since I'm too busy with Tengwar) and in the zip-file you
can
> download from there.
>
> Bye and I hope this didn't sound too much like a commercial,
>
> Liesbeth

Hi everyone!

My name is Andre, I'm 18 and I live in Brazil.
I read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and The Silmarillion, and I try
to study the Tengwar and the Cirth [but it's so hard]. I like to know
languages, doesn't matter if they are real or not. Specially
Sindarin, but I know only a few words.
At the moment I'm reading again The Silmarillion, and I'll buy the
Unfinished Tales next month.

I hope you help me like I'll be glad helping you too solving doubts
and answers.

Lord Khevalier

When to use:
tengwa 17 against tengwa 19
tengwa 22 against tengwa 24
tengwa 29 against tengwa 30
tengwa 31 against tengwa 32
tengwa 33 against _halla_ (has no number)
?

I talk about Quenya mode only.


Thanks, Yehuda Ronen

Yehuda Ronen wrote:

> When to use:
> tengwa 17 against tengwa 19


Originally 19 was used for the sound _ng_ as in _king_, 17 for normal
_n_. In the Third Age, when _ng_ had mutated into _n_, 17 would probably
serve both for original _n_ and original _ng_.

> tengwa 22 against tengwa 24


N:o 24 originally represtented _w_ and could still be used for this
sound in the Third Age, while 22 represented original _v_.


> tengwa 29 against tengwa 30
> tengwa 31 against tengwa 32


These were simply variants of each other, but 30/32 were often used when
a tehta was placed above the tengwa.


> tengwa 33 against _halla_ (has no number)


Tengwa 33 was the standard sign for breath _h_. <Halla> was "used before
a consonant to indicate that it was unvoiced and breathed; voiceless _r_
and _l_ were ususally so expressed and are transcribed _hr_, _hl_." (AppE)

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--- lord_khevalier@... wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> My name is Andre, I'm 18 and I live in Brazil.
> I read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and The
> Silmarillion, and I try
> to study the Tengwar and the Cirth [but it's so
> hard]. I like to know
> languages, doesn't matter if they are real or not.
> Specially
> Sindarin, but I know only a few words.
> At the moment I'm reading again The Silmarillion,
> and I'll buy the
> Unfinished Tales next month.
>
> I hope you help me like I'll be glad helping you too
> solving doubts
> and answers.
>
> Lord Khevalier
>
>
>
>


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> My name is Andre, I'm 18 and I live in Brazil.
> I read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and The
> Silmarillion, and I try
> to study the Tengwar and the Cirth [but it's so
> hard]. I like to know

first try to study Appendix E to LOTR... you are also
encouraged to look at
http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/md_teng_primers.html

for a good guide o Tengwar Quenya and Sindarin

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Hello I'm new to the list. I live in Missouri. I am a college student
and I love languages. I want to learn to read and write Tengwar. I am
looking forward to my time here with all of you.

--- andromeda63130@... wrote:
> Hello I'm new to the list. I live in Missouri. I am
> a college student
> and I love languages. I want to learn to read and
> write Tengwar. I am
> looking forward to my time here with all of you.

welcome Andromeda or whatever... you can read about
tengwar in Appendix E, but since you are here you have
either read it already or you have the unappendiced
version :)

anyway, I recommend the
http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/md_teng_primers.html
site to learn the 2-3 major tengwar modes

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Hi all!

Please someone could tell me a website that contains Sindarin
Pronounce?

Thanks since now

Lord Khevalier

> Please someone could tell me a website that contains
> Sindarin
> Pronounce?
>
> Thanks since now
>
> Lord Khevalier

there are some analyses of Sindarin online...
move.to/ardalambion and
www.elvish.org/sindarin_phonetics.htm contain also
some paragraphs discussing pronounciation...

I also recommend you download Didier Willis'
dictionary from move.to/hisweloke which describes
Sindarin pronounciation and has a pronounciation guide
after every word...

in few words: Sindarin is pronounced exactly as you
read it..

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hi,
   I see that there are separate words for 11 an 12 in sindarin- minig
and uiug. Then, is there a number called pae-a-minig or pae-a-uiug?
If not its not a duodecimal system at all then!!
Because in that system, we have 12 digits; that means between 10 and
20 or between 20 and 30 there are 12 numbers.Is it so?

Kedarnath

>   I see that there are separate words for 11 an 12
> in sindarin- minig
> and uiug. Then, is there a number called pae-a-minig
> or pae-a-uiug?

using decimal system, you dont employ minig and uiug
in your formations.. pae-a-uiug sounds strange...

counting in duodecimal you can replace pae with uiug:
uiug-a-min, uiug-a-tad, uiug-a-nel ... uiug-a-pae,
uiug-a-minig,..

> If not its not a duodecimal system at all then!!
> Because in that system, we have 12 digits; that
> means between 10 and
> 20 or between 20 and 30 there are 12 numbers.Is it
> so?

yes, but elvish numbers are used in both systems..
depends on which you are referring to..


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>   I see that there are separate words for 11 an 12
> in sindarin- minig
> and uiug. Then, is there a number called pae-a-minig
> or pae-a-uiug?

using decimal system, you dont employ minig and uiug
in your formations.. pae-a-uiug sounds strange...

counting in duodecimal you can replace pae with uiug:
uiug-a-min, uiug-a-tad, uiug-a-nel ... uiug-a-pae,
uiug-a-minig,..

> If not its not a duodecimal system at all then!!
> Because in that system, we have 12 digits; that
> means between 10 and
> 20 or between 20 and 30 there are 12 numbers.Is it
> so?

yes, but elvish numbers are used in both systems..
depends on which you are referring to..


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