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#1172 From: "msfrog01" <msfrog01@...>
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:15 am
Subject: Turn $6.00 into $60,000...read this to find out how!
msfrog01
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arn Money Now Please Give This A Try !!!!





Turn $6.00 into $60,000...read this to find out how!
READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE!

I found this on a bulletin board like this one and decided to try it.
A little While back, I was browsing through a newsgroups, just like
you are now, And came across an article similar to this that said you
CAN make thousand of dollars in weeks with only an initial investment
of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam" but like
most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that
you need to send $1.00 to each of the 6
names and address stated in the article. You then place
your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post
the article with at least 200 newsgroups. (There are millions) No
catch, that was it.

So after thinking it over, and talking to a few friends First, I
thought about trying it. I figured: what have I got to lose except 6
Stamps and $6.00, right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well,
GUESS WHAT! Within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I
was shocked! I figured it would end so, but the money just kept
coming in. In my first Week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the
second week I had made a Total of over $1,000.00! In
the third week I had over $10,000 and it's still Growing. This is now
my fourth week and I have made just over $42,000.00 and its still
coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps,
I have spent more than that on the lottery! Let me tell you how this
works and most importantly, why it works. Also, make sure you print a
copy of this Article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as
you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly,
that you will start making more money than you though possible by
doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message
carefully! (print it out or download it). Follow
the simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's
legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage)

IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not
illegal; and it is virtually no risk -- it really works! If all the
following instructions are Adhered to, you will receive extraordinary
dividends. PLEASE NOTE; Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and
$50,000 or more can be Yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains
successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants.
Please continue it's success by carefully
adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail
Order business. In this business your product is not solid and
tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing
Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for
quality lists. However, the money made from the mailing lists is
secondary to the income, which is made from people like you and me
asking to be included in that list.

Here are the 4 easy steps to success:

Step 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on
each Piece of paper: 'PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Your name
and Address, and $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a
service. THIS S ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate
service and You are paying for it! Like most of us, I was a little
skeptical and little Worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I
checked it out with U. S. Post Office
(1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!

Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:



#1) A. Warren Russell
     540 Logan St.
     Green River, WY 82935

#2) F. Rodriquez
P.O. Box 107
Schertz, Tx 78154

#3) Jason Gillenwater
1201 Falls Creek Landing
New Albany,IN 47150


#4) Annette Mckenny
P.O. Box 2915
Sumter, S.C. 29150

#5) Patrick Lanier
4110 Pebble Ridge Circle Apt. 4
Colorado Springs Co. 80906

#6) R. Demery
     P.O. box 1351
     Fortson, Ga 31808


STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move
the Other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4 , etc.) and add YOUR
name as number 6 on the list.

STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to the original as possible. Now, post your amended article to
at least 200 Newsgroups. (I think there are close to 2.4 million
groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the
more money you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts,
refer to Title 18 Sec. 1301, 1341 via the Postal lottery laws. You
can find Title 18 Sec. 1302 1341 via
www.findlaw.com. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and,
whenever you need money, you can use it again, and again.

PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the
honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully
adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of
integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many
others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain
every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy
and keep the notes people sent to you. This VERIFIES
that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good
idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail
theft.)

Remember: Close adherence to the directions are required to maintain
Legality for your program. So, as each post is downloaded and the
Directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for
their Participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your
name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name
reaches the #1 Position you will be receiving thousand of dollars in
CASH! What an
opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people
listed Above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're
in business!

DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS

Step 1: You do not need to retype this entire letter to do your own
Posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and
drag Your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select "copy"
for the edit Menu. This will copy the entire letter into the
computer's memory.

Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad" file and place your cursor at the top
of the blank page. From the "edit" menu select "paste." This will
paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name
to the list.

Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your posting in different settings, you'll have this file to go back
to.

Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for
various Newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites,
discussions).

Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
Message by highlighting the text of letter selecting paste from the
Edit menu.Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone
sees, as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular
group, click the Post message button. Your done with your first one!
Congratulations...THAT'S IT. All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away, after You get the hang of it, it will take
about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!

**REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU ARE IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
MAKE! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin
receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually
want to rent a PO Box due to the large amount of mail, you will
receive.If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use,
as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE
ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT** Now the WHY part: Out of
200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So
then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of 5
persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 posts, each with
my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5,
that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM
posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an
additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons
turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 With my name at #3 and only
receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now
here is the fun part each of those 626 persons post a
MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5
Replies, that just make me $3125.00! Those 3,125 persons will all
Deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if
still ONLY 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive
$15,625.00! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When
your name is No longer on the list, you just take the latest posting
in the newsgroups, And send out another $6.00 to names
on the list, putting your name at POSTION #6 again. The thing to
remember is: do you realize that thousand of people all over the
world are joining the Internet and reading These article everyday?
JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really
works?? I think so.. People have said. "what if the plan is played
out and no one sends you the money? So What! What are the chances of
that happening when there are tons of new honest users and
new honest people who are joining the Internet and newsgroups
everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at
20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousand of those joining
the actual Internet. Think about it, it's only $6.00 bucks! If it
doesn't work, What have you really lost? A few bucks that you
probably would have spent on a lottery ticket that Has even harder
odds to win at! Remember, play FAIRLY AND HONESTLY and this will
really work .

#1173 From: "Neamh" <melanie_comito@...>
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:55 am
Subject: Re: Turn $6.00 into $60,000...read this to find out how!
caile_neamh
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go look up this in the vualt for the greatest net scams and hoaxes.

If the list owner doesn't spit it over this I would be exceptionally
surprised.

Contrary to the email - it's a scam and I-L-L-E-G-A-L

Just my 2c worth.

Nθmh

----- Original Message -----
From: "msfrog01" <msfrog01@...>
To: <elfscript@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 9:15 AM
Subject: [elfscript] Turn $6.00 into $60,000...read this to find out how!


> arn Money Now Please Give This A Try !!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Turn $6.00 into $60,000...read this to find out how!
> READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE!
>
> I found this on a bulletin board like this one and decided to try it.
> A little While back, I was browsing through a newsgroups, just like
> you are now, And came across an article similar to this that said you
> CAN make thousand of dollars in weeks with only an initial investment
> of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam" but like
> most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that
> you need to send $1.00 to each of the 6
> names and address stated in the article. You then place
> your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post
> the article with at least 200 newsgroups. (There are millions) No
> catch, that was it.
>
> So after thinking it over, and talking to a few friends First, I
> thought about trying it. I figured: what have I got to lose except 6
> Stamps and $6.00, right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well,
> GUESS WHAT! Within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I
> was shocked! I figured it would end so, but the money just kept
> coming in. In my first Week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the
> second week I had made a Total of over $1,000.00! In
> the third week I had over $10,000 and it's still Growing. This is now
> my fourth week and I have made just over $42,000.00 and its still
> coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps,
> I have spent more than that on the lottery! Let me tell you how this
> works and most importantly, why it works. Also, make sure you print a
> copy of this Article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as
> you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly,
> that you will start making more money than you though possible by
> doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message
> carefully! (print it out or download it). Follow
> the simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's
> legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage)
>
> IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not
> illegal; and it is virtually no risk -- it really works! If all the
> following instructions are Adhered to, you will receive extraordinary
> dividends. PLEASE NOTE; Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and
> $50,000 or more can be Yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains
> successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants.
> Please continue it's success by carefully
> adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail
> Order business. In this business your product is not solid and
> tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing
> Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for
> quality lists. However, the money made from the mailing lists is
> secondary to the income, which is made from people like you and me
> asking to be included in that list.
>
> Here are the 4 easy steps to success:
>
> Step 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on
> each Piece of paper: 'PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Your name
> and Address, and $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a
> service. THIS S ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate
> service and You are paying for it! Like most of us, I was a little
> skeptical and little Worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I
> checked it out with U. S. Post Office
> (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!
>
> Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:
>
>
>
> #1) A. Warren Russell
>     540 Logan St.
>     Green River, WY 82935
>
> #2) F. Rodriquez
> P.O. Box 107
> Schertz, Tx 78154
>
> #3) Jason Gillenwater
> 1201 Falls Creek Landing
> New Albany,IN 47150
>
>
> #4) Annette Mckenny
> P.O. Box 2915
> Sumter, S.C. 29150
>
> #5) Patrick Lanier
> 4110 Pebble Ridge Circle Apt. 4
> Colorado Springs Co. 80906
>
> #6) R. Demery
>     P.O. box 1351
>     Fortson, Ga 31808
>
>
> STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move
> the Other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4 , etc.) and add YOUR
> name as number 6 on the list.
>
> STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
> close to the original as possible. Now, post your amended article to
> at least 200 Newsgroups. (I think there are close to 2.4 million
> groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the
> more money you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts,
> refer to Title 18 Sec. 1301, 1341 via the Postal lottery laws. You
> can find Title 18 Sec. 1302 1341 via
> www.findlaw.com. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and,
> whenever you need money, you can use it again, and again.
>
> PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the
> honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully
> adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of
> integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many
> others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain
> every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy
> and keep the notes people sent to you. This VERIFIES
> that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good
> idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail
> theft.)
>
> Remember: Close adherence to the directions are required to maintain
> Legality for your program. So, as each post is downloaded and the
> Directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for
> their Participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your
> name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name
> reaches the #1 Position you will be receiving thousand of dollars in
> CASH! What an
> opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people
> listed Above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're
> in business!
>
> DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS
>
> Step 1: You do not need to retype this entire letter to do your own
> Posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and
> drag Your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select "copy"
> for the edit Menu. This will copy the entire letter into the
> computer's memory.
>
> Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad" file and place your cursor at the top
> of the blank page. From the "edit" menu select "paste." This will
> paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name
> to the list.
>
> Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
> your posting in different settings, you'll have this file to go back
> to.
>
> Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for
> various Newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites,
> discussions).
>
> Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
> Message by highlighting the text of letter selecting paste from the
> Edit menu.Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone
> sees, as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular
> group, click the Post message button. Your done with your first one!
> Congratulations...THAT'S IT. All you have to do is jump to different
> newsgroups and post away, after You get the hang of it, it will take
> about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!
>
> **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU ARE IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
> MAKE! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin
> receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually
> want to rent a PO Box due to the large amount of mail, you will
> receive.If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use,
> as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE
> ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT** Now the WHY part: Out of
> 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So
> then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of 5
> persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 posts, each with
> my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5,
> that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM
> posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an
> additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons
> turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 With my name at #3 and only
> receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now
> here is the fun part each of those 626 persons post a
> MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5
> Replies, that just make me $3125.00! Those 3,125 persons will all
> Deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if
> still ONLY 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive
> $15,625.00! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When
> your name is No longer on the list, you just take the latest posting
> in the newsgroups, And send out another $6.00 to names
> on the list, putting your name at POSTION #6 again. The thing to
> remember is: do you realize that thousand of people all over the
> world are joining the Internet and reading These article everyday?
> JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really
> works?? I think so.. People have said. "what if the plan is played
> out and no one sends you the money? So What! What are the chances of
> that happening when there are tons of new honest users and
> new honest people who are joining the Internet and newsgroups
> everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at
> 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousand of those joining
> the actual Internet. Think about it, it's only $6.00 bucks! If it
> doesn't work, What have you really lost? A few bucks that you
> probably would have spent on a lottery ticket that Has even harder
> odds to win at! Remember, play FAIRLY AND HONESTLY and this will
> really work .
>
>
>
>
>
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#1174 From: "Neamh" <melanie_comito@...>
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 2:05 am
Subject: Re: Turn $6.00 into $60,000...read this to find out how!
caile_neamh
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Just to show I can back up my statement:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/doznalrt.htm

3. Chain letters

You're asked to send a small amount of money ($5 to $20) to each of four or
five names on a list, replace one of the names on the list with your own,
and then forward the revised message via bulk email. The letter may claim
that the scheme is legal, that it's been reviewed or approved by the
government; or it may refer to sections of U.S. law that legitimize the
scheme. Don't believe it.

The scam: Chain letters-traditional or high-tech-are almost always illegal,
and nearly all of the people who participate in them lose their money. The
fact that a "product" such as a report on how to make money fast, a mailing
list, or a recipe may be changing hands in the transaction does not change
the legality of these schemes.

#1175 From: Andrew Warwick <lord_of_the_dragons_779@...>
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 3:33 am
Subject: Writing elvish
lord_of_the_...
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Hi.  I have been trying to translate a phrase into elvish, similar to the script
on the One Ring from Lord of the Rings.  So far i have the phrase translated
into elvish, but only using english characters.  I was wondering if you could
show me how it should be written out in the elvish script.  I think that quenya
is what i want.  In general, i liked the script on the One Ring, and i think it
was quenya that looked the closest.

Thank you very much for you time and effort.

Andrew

P.S.- I have the quenya alphabet as it appears at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/quenya.htm.  You can just tell
me which characters to use in what order.  Also, it does not matter if the
language at this site is a little off, as what i am doing is basically for
looks.  Thanks again.



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#1176 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 6:54 am
Subject: Re: Writing elvish
elfiness
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teithant Andrew Warwick

> Hi.  I have been trying to translate a phrase into
> elvish, similar to the script on the One Ring from
> Lord of the Rings.  So far i have the phrase
> translated into elvish, but only using english
> characters.  I was wondering if you could show me

the characters are called Roman, not english :)

> how it should be written out in the elvish script.
> I think that quenya is what i want.  In general, i
> liked the script on the One Ring, and i think it was
> quenya that looked the closest.

no, Quenya is a language, the script is called
tengwar.. so you want to write in tengwar.. you can
look at http://hem.passagen.se/mansb/at to learn about
them


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#1177 From: "jlgjet28" <jlgjet28@...>
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:20 am
Subject: When writing in elvish...
jlgjet28
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When you write in elvish fonts do you spell the words in elvish or in
english??? I'm confused....  I need some help!

#1178 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 11:41 am
Subject: Re: When writing in elvish...
elfiness
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teithant jlgjet28

> When you write in elvish fonts do you spell the
> words in elvish or in
> english??? I'm confused....  I need some help!

er... clarify your question please??

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#1179 From: Sιbastien Bertho <sebastien.bertho@...>
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 2:50 pm
Subject: Re : When writing in elvish...
lambendil
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jlgjet28 wrote :

> When you write in elvish fonts do you spell the words in elvish or in
> english??? I'm confused....  I need some help!

The "elvish fonts" - the _Cirth_ or "runes" (like Balin's Tomb) or the
_Tengwar_ "signs, letters" (like on the One Ring or on Moria Gate) - are
_alphabets_.
The elvish alphabets were made to be, theorically, able to express any
_language_ (they are phonectically ordained).

Tolkien designed concordances or "modes" between his alphabets (Cirth,
Tengwar) and some languages, invented or not (Quenya, Sindarin, English,
...). More : sometimes, there are several "modes" of an alphabet for the
same language : this may correspond internally (within the mythos) to
different usages, whether historical or geographical, or, externally (on the
point of view of Tolkien's life),  to different moods of the creator

So you can write English with roman alphabet (the one we're using usually)
or with one mode of Cirth or of Tengwar. That's the same with Elvish : you
can write Quenya or Sindarin with the roman alphabet (like most of the
occurences in the books of Tolkien, except some inscriptions) or with the
alphabet that suited these languages : Tengwar and Cirth.

You should read carefully the Appendices of LotR (many answers are within) !
;-)

Namαriλ.

Sιbastien

#1180 From: judith gross <jlgjet28@...>
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: When writing in elvish...
jlgjet28
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Well what I meant was, would you type sindarin or english in a elvish font...
wouldn't you type "taure huineva" ??? So I'm saying that if you downloaded a
elvish font in sindarin would you write sindarin or english with that font...?
I'm sorry if I'm confusing you!
Thank you,
Judy
  Gildor Inglorion wrote:teithant jlgjet28

> When you write in elvish fonts do you spell the
> words in elvish or in
> english??? I'm confused.... I need some help!

er... clarify your question please??

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#1181 From: judith gross <jlgjet28@...>
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re : When writing in elvish...
jlgjet28
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Well I was kind of refering to Sindarin but, that's okay, if I have any more
questions I'll email you!
Thank you,
Judy
  Sιbastien_Bertho wrote:jlgjet28 wrote :

> When you write in elvish fonts do you spell the words in elvish or in
> english??? I'm confused....  I need some help!

The "elvish fonts" - the _Cirth_ or "runes" (like Balin's Tomb) or the
_Tengwar_ "signs, letters" (like on the One Ring or on Moria Gate) - are
_alphabets_.
The elvish alphabets were made to be, theorically, able to express any
_language_ (they are phonectically ordained).

Tolkien designed concordances or "modes" between his alphabets (Cirth,
Tengwar) and some languages, invented or not (Quenya, Sindarin, English,
...). More : sometimes, there are several "modes" of an alphabet for the
same language : this may correspond internally (within the mythos) to
different usages, whether historical or geographical, or, externally (on the
point of view of Tolkien's life),  to different moods of the creator

So you can write English with roman alphabet (the one we're using usually)
or with one mode of Cirth or of Tengwar. That's the same with Elvish : you
can write Quenya or Sindarin with the roman alphabet (like most of the
occurences in the books of Tolkien, except some inscriptions) or with the
alphabet that suited these languages : Tengwar and Cirth.

You should read carefully the Appendices of LotR (many answers are within) !
;-)

Namαriλ.

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#1182 From: judith gross <jlgjet28@...>
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: When writing in elvish...
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Teithant??? I don't get what you mean by that?
Judy
  judith gross wrote:
Well what I meant was, would you type sindarin or english in a elvish font...
wouldn't you type "taure huineva" ??? So I'm saying that if you downloaded a
elvish font in sindarin would you write sindarin or english with that font...?
I'm sorry if I'm confusing you!
Thank you,
Judy
Gildor Inglorion wrote:teithant jlgjet28

> When you write in elvish fonts do you spell the
> words in elvish or in
> english??? I'm confused.... I need some help!

er... clarify your question please??

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#1183 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: When writing in elvish...
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teithant judith gross

> Teithant??? I don't get what you mean by that?

teithant is sindarin for "wrote" and some use it here
for quoting replied mesasges:)

> Well what I meant was, would you type sindarin or
> english in a elvish font... wouldn't you type "taure
> huineva" ??? So I'm saying that if you downloaded a
> elvish font in sindarin would you write sindarin or
> english with that font...? I'm sorry if I'm
> confusing you!

what do you mean "elvish font in sindarin"? sindarin
is a language that can (among others) be written with
the elvish fonts (tengwar).. you can write Quenya,
Sindarin, Black Speech, Adunaic and English with
tengwar (and of course other languages since more
modes have been invented)

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#1184 From: "nemex2002" <marcus@...>
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:24 am
Subject: Re: tutorial
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Thanks allot

Just wana know where i can go http://???? for people to check work
that i done
and will be doing to see if it's correct or not. maybe a mailing list

Thanks in advance

--- In elfscript@y..., Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@y...> wrote:
> teithant marcus@r...
>
> > Can Anyone please direct me to a complex and
> > detailed tutorial
> >
> > For Quenya
>
> since you are asking in elfscript, i guess you are
> referring to the Quenya tengwar:
> http://hem.passagen.se/mansb/at
>
> > And to answer the following question I have on that.
> >
> > 1. How do you pronounce Quenya ? (kwenya...?)
>
> yes... try to say "kwen-ja" (j as in german ja, not as
> in english "joke"!!!)
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#1185 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:21 am
Subject: Re: Re: tutorial
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teithant nemex2002

> Thanks allot
>
> Just wana know where i can go http://???? for people
> to check work
> that i done
> and will be doing to see if it's correct or not.
> maybe a mailing list
>
> Thanks in advance

you can upload your files in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfscript/files/

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#1186 From: "LATINA_123" <latina_123@...>
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:16 pm
Subject: learning questions
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The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings really inspired me to learn
about middle earth. I really want to learn the Tengwar language
but I don't know where to start. I visited some websites but I
would like to know which ones are the most helpfull and if there
are any books that I can get that explain and teach the Tengwar. I
would really appreciate your help.

Adriana

#1187 From: "jlgjet28" <jlgjet28@...>
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:23 pm
Subject: How do you change languages when your writing in sindarin instead of english?
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well im confused and i cant find out how to change the language so
its elvish sindarin instead of english....

#1188 From: "LATINA_123" <latina_123@...>
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:34 pm
Subject: Undertanding how to use the Tengwar font
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I want to write my name in Tengwar can you help?
My name is Adriana. Can you also help me write Carlos?
I need help understanding the Tengwar font please help.

Adriana

#1189 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: learning questions
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teithant LATINA_123

> The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings really inspired me
> to learn
> about middle earth. I really want to learn the
> Tengwar language
> but I don't know where to start. I visited some

tengwar is the writing system for writing Quenya and
Sindarin (elvish).. this mailing list is devoted to
the writing systems..if you are interested in the
languages themselves (grammar, vocabulary) you can
refer to the Elfling mailing list too

> websites but I
> would like to know which ones are the most helpfull
> and if there
> are any books that I can get that explain and teach
> the Tengwar. I
> would really appreciate your help.

hem.passagen.se/mansb/at is a good theoretic site
analyzingsome Tengwar modes.. please follow its links
(especially "tengwar primers" with practical guides)

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#1190 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:23 pm
Subject: Re: How do you change languages when your writing in sindarin instead of english?
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teithant jlgjet28

> well im confused and i cant find out how to change
> the language so
> its elvish sindarin instead of english....

can you rephrase this question in full english syntax? :))

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#1191 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:24 pm
Subject: Re: Undertanding how to use the Tengwar font
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teithant LATINA_123

> I want to write my name in Tengwar can you help?
> My name is Adriana. Can you also help me write
> Carlos?
> I need help understanding the Tengwar font please
> help.

do you mean the elvish writing system,or the way the
tengwar font works on your computer?

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#1192 From: judith gross <jlgjet28@...>
Date: Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:58 am
Subject: Re: How do you change languages when your writing in sindarin instead of english?
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nm...thank you anyways i found out already sorrys for confusing you!
judy

  Gildor Inglorion wrote:teithant jlgjet28

> well im confused and i cant find out how to change
> the language so
> its elvish sindarin instead of english....

can you rephrase this question in full english syntax? :))

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#1193 From: "wsjb78" <wsjb78@...>
Date: Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:17 am
Subject: Hmmm... Newbie needs help
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Hello,

I'm new on this board and I have tried to search for what I'm looking... pr=
oblem is I have not found an answer (this might well be because I was using =
the wrong keywords). I'm not of an English speaking background so I'm not 10=
0% sure whether my terminology is correct.

A friend of mine is a goldsmith and I'd like her to create The One Ring for=
  me... but what I need is the wording of that inscription.

The font is Angerthas (I think) and the language used is Barad-Dϋr. Right?

What is the translation of:

One ring to to rule them all
One ring to bring them
One ring to find them all
And in the darkness bind them

into Barad-Dϋr?

I mean I could just use the English wording combined with the Angerthas fon=
t but it wouldn't be correct.

Anyone can help me on this?

#1194 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:44 am
Subject: Re: Hmmm... Newbie needs help
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teithant wsjb78

> The font is Angerthas (I think) and the language
> used is Barad-Dϋr. Right?

the font is Tengwar adn the language of Barad-Dur is
called Black Speech

> What is the translation of:
>
> One ring to to rule them all
> One ring to bring them
> One ring to find them all
> And in the darkness bind them
>
> into Barad-Dϋr?
>
> I mean I could just use the English wording combined
> with the Angerthas fon=
> t but it wouldn't be correct.
>
> Anyone can help me on this?

the above verse in Black Speech AND it's tengwar
transcription are in the Fellowship of the Ring book..
the inscription you intend to copy is in the chapter
"shadows of the past"

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#1195 From: "the_alpha_duck" <BRPXQZME@...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 12:36 am
Subject: Re: Hmmm... Newbie needs help
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I doubt you would want to wear this ring though. ;)

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#1197 From: "elaolim" <elaolim@...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 12:08 pm
Subject: Elvish
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Hey I am new here, but I have been interested in T's languages for
about a year and am devloping my own right now.  I have not found
any resources online about how to learn elvish. Does anyone know
where I could learn elvish?
Thanks,
Elaolim

#1198 From: DDanielA@...
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Elvish
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>Does anyone know where I could learn elvish?

http://www.ardalambion.com
(BTW, this list is about the writing systems of J. R. R. Tolkien [i.e.
the Tengwar, Cirth and Sarati]. The list for his languages is
elfling@yahoogroups.com .)

Cuio mae, Danny.

#1199 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: Elvish
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teithant elaolim

> Hey I am new here, but I have been interested in T's
> languages for
> about a year and am devloping my own right now.  I
> have not found
> any resources online about how to learn elvish. Does
> anyone know
> where I could learn elvish?

http://gildor.freepage.gr/faq.html

(no, this is not a site for learning elvish but follow
the links!)

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#1200 From: "dcaterpillar" <dcaterpillar@...>
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 2:01 pm
Subject: Help with translation - sindarin
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This is my first atempt to translate something in Sindarin.
I΄m not sure if all the word are actually Sindarin, or if there΄s
some Quenya mixed within.
i also foun very hard to write the conditional sentence.
Here it goes:Ir I Dϋr tτb I Dτr,Elbereth togham aen an Londλ.
It is supposed to mean: When The Dark covers up The Land, may
Elbereth guide us to a sheltered place.
coud you help me correct it?

#1201 From: Gildor Inglorion <elfiness@...>
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Help with translation - sindarin
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teithant dcaterpillar

> Here it goes:Ir I Dϋr tτb I Dτr,Elbereth togham aen
> an Londλ.
> It is supposed to mean: When The Dark covers up The
> Land, may
> Elbereth guide us to a sheltered place.
> coud you help me correct it?

ir i-dhuath tuubathar i-ndoor, Elbereth togo ven an
lond
(londe is Quenya)

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