Hi Manuvilasan,

Its easy changing stance, isn’t it?

The opening paragraph of your first mail clearly says “Regional approach is utmost at Bangalore”.Utmost!!!!

With what are you comparing?What is your benchmark?

Then you go on and cite the example of number plates which is, technically correct.

I must admit that now, and the points put forward by Rahul so beautifully made me understand the statutory significance of a number plates (Thanks Rahul and no,my blood didn’t ,doesn’t  and wouldn’t curdle.Go on!Express yourself!)

Manuvilasan you should carefully use your superlatives and check tonality in all your prose.Especially when you are writing to a large and thinking forums such as CC.

Your first mail drips of some disguised hatred about Bangalore and its people. I felt it and many of the caustic repliers might have sensed it too.

Good research there!You dropped some names like Vatal Nagaraj ,I would not pay much attention to it because in last elections he has lost his deposit.

Obiviously you are not Mr Current affairs.

We know how to control people like Nagraj otherwise he would have got elected and I am sure if I sit in front of my Google or wiki browser I will find out one Kerala politician whose agenda is, if not exactly same but on the same lines as of Mr V Nagaraj.

People like Nagaraj are found  distributed in any  random collection of masses.You can’t hold it against us.

(Or we will hold Mr Achyutanandh against you)

Yes if he gets elected again I am sure my fellow bangalorites and I will make sure that his activities are under check.

Also your reply came when Amit (again good reply Amit) became upfront about things which are true and thus hit you where it hurts.

What is it that Amit said which made you reply again and failrly quickly? Regional pride? Communal pride?

I don’t think you are a stateless entity/ actor. I do think, you had an agenda when you wrote that mail.

Also ,I am a Kanadiga  huduga but I am tolerant when things make sense and when they are put forward nicely.I want harmony and peace with all the communities co existing at Bangalore.If there is something wrong do point out but while doing so don't write agenda/propaganda mails.

Rahul- I agree with most of your points. Thank you for such a nice reply.

Manuvilasan-Please don’t use bad tone and superlatives at wrong places.

Warmest Regards

Abhijeet Dudhagi

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Manu Vilsan <manuvilsan@...> wrote:

From: Manu Vilsan <manuvilsan@...>
Subject: RE: [collectivechaosblr] Is it Fascism or Regionalism ??
To: collectivechaosblr@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:12 PM

Mr. Amit Gupta, From a plain reading of your mail I understood 2 things. 1.      You are a man, who will ignore things, by without even trying to understand the content. 2.      You did not understand the meaning of my mail. My dear friend, You said: “Please do not use this forum for POLITICAL purpose.” But I do not know why you said so. If this forum can not be used for the political discussion, then what is the purpose of this forum? I feel so pity of the members of this group, for suffering people like you. In the name of counter attack, you used the space of this forum for your pseudo political agendas. You attacked Malayalees, based on the assumption that I am a Malayalee. You attacked Christians, based on the assumption that I am a Christian. You attacked Communist based on the assumption that I am a communist. (You attacked the poor Tamilians also, based on your prejudicial logical fallacies.) May god forgive you. My dear friends, As Mr. Rjasekhar said, I have not gone anywhere, either conveniently or inconveniently. I was carefully watching the show. Let me say, I am not a Malayalee and I am not a communist and I am not even a Christian. But I am a Human and where ever there are human issues, I will interfere, though you may not like it.. Two questions I raised in my mail viz. Is Bangalore for Kannadigas alone? & Is the number plate in a vehicle, a means to show our regional farce? The intellects of our group have seen the 2nd question alone. The same time, they have (deliberately) discarded the 1st question. Why? Most of the Kannada hudugaru vehemently argued for showing their spirit of regionalism. But you remember that, I never asked a question as “IS KARNATAKA FOR KANNADIGAS ALONE?” My quest was regarding Bangalore , which is a metro city. It is certainly a free zone, Mr. Rajeshwar Patil. Not only Bangalore , but all metro cities have to be treated as Free Zone. None of the Metro Cities are created by the state or localities. But it is the men; irrespective of their region, create it, like how a blacksmith create a goddess from the stone. But when the stone become goddess, the priestly classes claim it, as their birth right and mercilessly oust the poor blacksmith from the scene. My dear friends, I have respectfully perused your responses and I am glad because your language, corroborate my thoughts. When the metro cities are formed, the regionalism come forward with a slogan as “MUMBAI for Maratis”, “Bangalore for Kannadigas”, “Chennai for Tamilians”, etc. Some of you had send Marati/Bengali number plates. I am happy. It is also a confirmation of my thought. Mr. Vattal Nagaraj, who openly told non Kannadigas to quit Bangalore , is still active in Bangalore . This is what happened in Mumbai and Chennai. Thakaray and crew are doing the same. If you are a human, you could have understood that ‘ Bangalore ’ is a mere symbolic representation of a metro city. Now I am laughing at me for my over expectations. In fact, what is behind writing the number in a regional language? No laws are permitting the same. Even then, our law enforcing authorities are acting as mere spectators. Why? I had preferred an application under Right to Information Act enquiring the details of displaying number plates in Kannada language. The reply received is that, it is illegal. Even then, it is common in Bangalore and the elite members like Mr. Amit Gupta had done such an illegality, without any shame. Why? In Kerala, there is no Vattal Nagaraj or Thakkaray, because, fortunately, there are no metro cities. When Kochi become Bangalore , definitely, one Thackeray/Vattal Nagaraj   will put the slogan as “quit Kochi ” According to me, Mumbai, Bangalore , Chennai, Calcutta , etc are the metro towns, which are the common space of human beings, who made it. Necessary laws should be enacted to free these Cities from the clutches of state governments. Mr. Rajeshwar Pattil, The New York may not be turned into an international free zone, because United States of America is different from India . But, all metro cities of India should be treated so. Because it is not the Karnataka, which made Bangalore , It is not the Maharashtra which made Bombay (Sorry moooombai). Likewise, it is not the Kannadigas, who made Bangalore and it is not the Maratees, who made Mumbai. It is the people and their joint effort makes a metro city. During all these processes, the state is merely witnessing the scene. When the stone becomes goddess, how the blacksmith will be ousted, now you will say that Bangalore is doing a favour to the petty outsiders. Dear Friends, Let’s not delve in to the details of my identity. I will be the first person to criticize, if it is happening in Kerala. It is not a plea for patriotism, but sharing of a thought. Manuvilsan. --- On Mon, 12/1/09, amit gupta <amtgpt@hotmail. com> wrote: From: amit gupta <amtgpt@hotmail. com> Subject: RE: [collectivechaosblr ] Is it Fascism or Regionalism ?? To: collectivechaosblr@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 8:39 AM Dear Manu Vilsan,   i am seeing a burst of these type of mails in my mailbox. Initially i thought it was some documentary titled :Fascism or Regionalism. So i ignored the mails. Please do not use this forum for POLITICAL purpose.       First let me introduce myself : i am from New Delhi but i am a resident of Bangalore for the last 8/9 years by choice. I had come from Mumbai and had two cars which had Maharashtra no plates till six months back. i had off course paid full road tax 8/9 years back. i had no problem moving around Bangalore or Karnataka, other than the occassional checks by the RTOs. i changed the number plates when i was advised by my friends to change to Karnataka number plates due to prevailing terrorist activities. i agreed.   Let me also tell you my family including my children know very little Kannada, and we have had no problems of discriminations till date. We have a small business in Bangalore, we never had any problems other than some minor regional issues like state government forms and offices having the medium of communication as Kannada. But this is there in every state and more so in Tamil Nadu and your home state Kerala. I travel extensively in the southern states of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.I also travel a lot in the Middle-East. Now, i have cetain observations about your mails and mails on this subject:   your mail smacks of Regionalism, which is very typical of people who have a political slant for everything in my travels abroad and especially in the Middle-East you will always find a Kerala Social Group or a Tamil Sangam which have EXCLUSIVE REGIONAL MEMBERSHIP. It is to be noted that these : Keralites and Tamilians have a dominating presence in Middle-East. while these groups claim that it is open for all Indians, it very cleverly has ALL SOCIAL FUNCTIONS in TAMIL OR MALYALEE only. the medium of conversation is always in Tamil or Malyalee, even when Indians from other Regions are present even when in a mixed regional group this  issue of language is brought to the notice of a Tamil or Malyalee, they initially switch to a more cosmopolitan language like English, but soon revert back to Tamil or Malyalee. Later they unashamedly say that we are talking things that we do not want you to know. Keralities have another problem abroad...and this is to do with Keralite Christians who subtely and later vigourously promote Christianity amongst the non-resident Indian Hindus. This is the most obnoxious part!!! Keralities in the Middle-East make a clear distinction between an Indian and a Malabari, whenever it suits them (there are many incidents which i can narrate, but that is immaterial). These non-resident Keralities and Tamilians are utterly clannish and only employ or recommend people from their own region or community.   Dear Manu Vilsan, i can go on and on about what mischief each of the communities do to other Indians. So, please STOP this Regional or Fascist(a very communists lingo!) campaign. regards   Amit G   To: collectivechaosblr@ yahoogroups. com From: manuvilsan@yahoo. com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:36:46 +0530 Subject: [collectivechaosblr ] Is it Fascism or Regionalism ??   Is Bangalore for Kannadigas alone?   Is the number plate in a vehicle, a means to show our regional farce?   These are the questions hunted me, in the aftermath of my recent visit of Bangalore city.   I am a citizen of India and a permanent resident of Kerala. I had visited the Bangalore city, recently. I feel that the regionalist approach is utmost in Bangalore.   I do share an observation. It is regarding the number plates affixed with many of the vehicles, seen in the Bangalore city. Contrary to the universally accepted practice, many of the vehicles bearing Registration number in Kannada numerical. This is absurd and ridiculous. The number plate in a vehicle is not a means to show our regional farce. It is a reference, by which one can identify all particulars of a vehicle. The rule prescribes that the number plates should be exhibited in the prescribed format, which is quite visible to every one. The intention of the law makers is to let others aware of the Registration Number. But, it is a common phenomenon in Bangalore that the number plates of several vehicles possess Registration number in Kannada and Kannada alone. Here 2 questions are necessary. What is the purpose of a number plate? Is it a means to show our regional farce?   The purpose, as I understood, is to make others know the details of a vehicle, when there is dispute or complaints. Hence it is a sensible issue as how a person, who does not know the Kannada numerical, can understand the content of this regional number plate? I am so glad, if all Kannadigas are able to read the Kannada numerical.. But still it’s a sensible issue, because of its patent illegality.. The regionalism is everywhere in the country and even our Politicians and intelligentia has acknowledged it as a social reality. It may be a moot question whether genuinely we have ‘unity in diversity’ or not. But when we come to this specific issue, I am sad, because, it may not happen in a Federal Republic Country. It is an invasion to the individual right. Right to do an act ought to be subjected to the rights of others to know. Then only the act can be called as a reasonable one. In absence of said reasonableness, the same shall be mere absurdity. If a vehicle bearing Kannada Registration No. may hit and run, then no one can identify that number, unless he knows Kannada Numerical. So, before entering Bangalore, it cast a duty on all foreigners, (Foreigner includes all those do not Kannada) to by heart Kannada Numerical. I do not know, why the law enforcing authority is not addressing this sensitive issue.  I do not know why the intelligentia of our group is silent on this issue. Yours truly, Manuvilsan   Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger. What can you do with the new Windows Live? Find out

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