Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
collectivechaosblr · Collective Chaos
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Hear how Yahoo! Groups has changed the lives of others. Take me there.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Fwd: The Aftermath / Anand Patwardhan   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #2673 of 2803 |
RE: [collectivechaosblr] Is it Fascism or Regionalism ??

Dear Manu Vilsan,
 
i am seeing a burst of these type of mails in my mailbox. Initially i thought it was some documentary titled :Fascism or Regionalism. So i ignored the mails. Please do not use this forum for POLITICAL purpose.
 
 
 
First let me introduce myself : i am from New Delhi but i am a resident of Bangalore for the last 8/9 years by choice. I had come from Mumbai and had two cars which had Maharashtra no plates till six months back. i had off course paid full road tax 8/9 years back. i had no problem moving around Bangalore or Karnataka, other than the occassional checks by the RTOs. i changed the number plates when i was advised by my friends to change to Karnataka number plates due to prevailing terrorist activities. i agreed.
 
Let me also tell you my family including my children know very little Kannada, and we have had no problems of discriminations till date. We have a small business in Bangalore, we never had any problems other than some minor regional issues like state government forms and offices having the medium of communication as Kannada. But this is there in every state and more so in Tamil Nadu and your home state Kerala. I travel extensively in the southern states of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.I also travel a lot in the Middle-East.

Now, i have cetain observations about your mails and mails on this subject:
 
  1. your mail smacks of Regionalism, which is very typical of people who have a political slant for everything
  2. in my travels abroad and especially in the Middle-East you will always find a Kerala Social Group or a Tamil Sangam which have EXCLUSIVE REGIONAL MEMBERSHIP. It is to be noted that these : Keralites and Tamilians have a dominating presence in Middle-East.
    • while these groups claim that it is open for all Indians, it very cleverly has ALL SOCIAL FUNCTIONS in TAMIL OR MALYALEE only.
    • the medium of conversation is always in Tamil or Malyalee, even when Indians from other Regions are present
    • even when in a mixed regional group this  issue of language is brought to the notice of a Tamil or Malyalee, they initially switch to a more cosmopolitan language like English, but soon revert back to Tamil or Malyalee. Later they unashamedly say that we are talking things that we do not want you to know.
  3. Keralities have another problem abroad...and this is to do with Keralite Christians who subtely and later vigourously promote Christianity amongst the non-resident Indian Hindus. This is the most obnoxious part!!!
  4. Keralities in the Middle-East make a clear distinction between an Indian and a Malabari, whenever it suits them (there are many incidents which i can narrate, but that is immaterial).
  5. These non-resident Keralities and Tamilians are utterly clannish and only employ or recommend people from their own region or community.
 
Dear Manu Vilsan, i can go on and on about what mischief each of the communities do to other Indians. So, please STOP this Regional or Fascist(a very communists lingo!) campaign.


regards
 
Amit G
 





To: collectivechaosblr@yahoogroups.com
From: manuvilsan@...
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:36:46 +0530
Subject: [collectivechaosblr] Is it Fascism or Regionalism ??

 

Is Bangalore for Kannadigas alone?

 

Is the number plate in a vehicle, a means to show our regional farce?

 

These are the questions hunted me, in the aftermath of my recent visit of Bangalore city.

 

I am a citizen of India and a permanent resident of Kerala. I had visited the Bangalore city, recently. I feel that the regionalist approach is utmost in Bangalore.

 

I do share an observation.

  1. It is regarding the number plates affixed with many of the vehicles, seen in the Bangalore city. Contrary to the universally accepted practice, many of the vehicles bearing Registration number in Kannada numerical. This is absurd and ridiculous.
  2. The number plate in a vehicle is not a means to show our regional farce. It is a reference, by which one can identify all particulars of a vehicle. The rule prescribes that the number plates should be exhibited in the prescribed format, which is quite visible to every one. The intention of the law makers is to let others aware of the Registration Number.
  3. But, it is a common phenomenon in Bangalore that the number plates of several vehicles possess Registration number in Kannada and Kannada alone. Here 2 questions are necessary.
    • What is the purpose of a number plate?
    • Is it a means to show our regional farce?

 

  1. The purpose, as I understood, is to make others know the details of a vehicle, when there is dispute or complaints. Hence it is a sensible issue as how a person, who does not know the Kannada numerical, can understand the content of this regional number plate? I am so glad, if all Kannadigas are able to read the Kannada numerical. But still it’s a sensible issue, because of its patent illegality.
  2. The regionalism is everywhere in the country and even our Politicians and intelligentia has acknowledged it as a social reality. It may be a moot question whether genuinely we have ‘unity in diversity’ or not. But when we come to this specific issue, I am sad, because, it may not happen in a Federal Republic Country. It is an invasion to the individual right. Right to do an act ought to be subjected to the rights of others to know. Then only the act can be called as a reasonable one. In absence of said reasonableness, the same shall be mere absurdity.
  3. If a vehicle bearing Kannada Registration No. may hit and run, then no one can identify that number, unless he knows Kannada Numerical. So, before entering Bangalore, it cast a duty on all foreigners, (Foreigner includes all those do not Kannada) to by heart Kannada Numerical.
  • I do not know, why the law enforcing authority is not addressing this sensitive issue.
  •  I do not know why the intelligentia of our group is silent on this issue.

Yours truly,

Manuvilsan

 


Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger.




What can you do with the new Windows Live? Find out


Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:09 am

amtgpt@...
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #2673 of 2803 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

... From: jenny pinto <pinto.jenny@...> Date: 2008/12/13 Subject: The Aftermath / Anand Patwardhan To: pinto.jenny@... *Thanks to Anand for this....
V G Baburaj
vgbaburaj@...
Send Email
Dec 14, 2008
11:18 am

"... It is a tragedy of the highest proportions that one such honest policeman, Anti-Terrorist Squad chief Hemant Karkare, who had begun to unravel the thread...
Nishant Ratnakar
nishant82@...
Send Email
Dec 16, 2008
4:05 am

Hi, "when our children grow up in an atmosphere where religious faith is put to the test of reason" -> funniest line I have read in the articles following the...
thotaka visakhan
thotaka@...
Send Email
Dec 16, 2008
4:08 am

  Is Bangalore for Kannadigas alone?   Is the number plate in a vehicle, a means to show our regional farce?   These are the questions hunted me, in the...
Manu Vilsan
manuvilsan@...
Send Email
Jan 5, 2009
6:33 am

Hi I hope I am not stirring a hornet's nest here but on my trip to Kerala last week I noticed a similar issue. All shops had their boards only in malayalam....
Dilip R S
localrowdy
Offline Send Email
Jan 5, 2009
10:31 am

... No. ... What does 'regional farce' mean? These are the questions hunted me, in the aftermath of my recent visit of ... You must have a lot of free time,...
Arjun Sharma
supersharma@...
Send Email
Jan 5, 2009
10:33 am

couldn't agree with you more. While Kannadiga chauvinism is obvious in illegally displaying car registration number plates in Kannada,the police turn a blind...
Anurag Sharan
anuragsh@...
Send Email
Jan 5, 2009
10:34 am

... No. It's been created by a concerted effort, of both "outsiders" and "insiders." And Bangalore wasn't a sleepy one-horse town. It was sleepy, yes, but that...
Arjun Sharma
supersharma@...
Send Email
Jan 5, 2009
11:12 am

your logic is too self-congratulatory. that's like saying new york should be turned into an international free zone because it has "developed" because of...
rajshekar patil
rajshekarpatil1
Offline Send Email
Jan 7, 2009
6:38 am

Manuvilasan   "Unity in diversity" is a classic oxymoron and a bromide created by politicians to glamourize their cause. In russia all the number plates would...
abhijeet dudhagi
abhyadude@...
Send Email
Jan 7, 2009
6:41 am

Friends, license plates in regional languages is just a symptom of a much larger malaise. Is it just me or is India really descending from a pluralist state to...
Rahul
read_n_ryte
Offline Send Email
Jan 8, 2009
6:27 am

Symptom of much larger malaise....?   Then applying the same logic of amplification we can safely say that your mail shows symptoms of Paranoia with shades...
abhijeet dudhagi
abhyadude@...
Send Email
Jan 11, 2009
8:57 am

Abhijeet, Nice response...but I guess you missed the point of my mail or I was clearly not as articulate as I had wanted to be. While, I agree with you that...
Rahul
read_n_ryte
Offline Send Email
Jan 14, 2009
7:12 am

rahul I agree that we must nurture our pluralist aspirations but that does not mean that we dissolve our diversity in one swoop. homogeniety is not the route...
rajshekar patil
rajshekarpatil1
Offline Send Email
Jan 11, 2009
8:53 am

Rajshekar, Evidently, sarcasm isn't your strong point (maybe you missed the class when they taught that at school), but I agree with the rest of the stuff...
Arjun Sharma
supersharma@...
Send Email
Jan 12, 2009
5:53 am

Dear Manu Vilsan, i am seeing a burst of these type of mails in my mailbox. Initially i thought it was some documentary titled :Fascism or Regionalism. So i...
amit gupta
amtgpt@...
Send Email
Jan 12, 2009
5:57 am

Mr. Amit Gupta, From a plain reading of your mail I understood 2 things. 1.      You are a man, who will ignore things, by without even trying to...
Manu Vilsan
manuvilsan@...
Send Email
Jan 13, 2009
5:47 am

Hi Manuvilasan,   Its easy changing stance, isn’t it?   The opening paragraph of your first mail clearly says “Regional approach is utmost at...
abhijeet dudhagi
abhyadude@...
Send Email
Jan 15, 2009
8:57 am

Hi CC Scroll down for Mr Bachchan's Comments on SM as posted on Yahoo.   I saw SM few weeks ago. If not for the name of Danny Boyle this flick is a fast paced...
abhijeet dudhagi
abhyadude@...
Send Email
Jan 15, 2009
9:25 am

I completely agree with Abhijeet on this. At this forum we have debated much more provocative issues without being derogative to any community and culture. I...
V G Baburaj
vgbaburaj@...
Send Email
Jan 15, 2009
9:25 am

Hi everybody. would be happier if the debates on this forum got less combative. Was originally supporting the point that Car licence plates need to be in...
Anurag Sharan
anuragsh@...
Send Email
Jan 13, 2009
5:48 am

Hi, I have been following the exchanges in the mailing lot with a lot of interest. And I am afraid this entire debate has been initiated with the purpose of...
vijay
vndd@...
Send Email
Jan 14, 2009
7:14 am

  Mr. Vijay,     At last you said it! “My request to the members is to avoid falling into this trap and ignore what he has to say. Otherwise, the rest of...
Manu Vilsan
manuvilsan@...
Send Email
Jan 15, 2009
5:29 am
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help