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> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:49:15 -0500
> To: <cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [cloudmakers] Sean Stewart to write a comic book?
>
> Cartoonist Steve Lieber, who did art for WHITEOUT, said in the Millarworld
> comics forum that he was "working with a novelist on his first comic book
> project . . . It's Sean Stewart. He's an s.f./fantasy writer, probably best
> known for GALVESTON, an amazing novel that won the World Fantasy Award in
> 2001. (Actually folks here might know him better as the story guy behind the
> webgame for the Spielberg film A.I.) He's taken a serious interest in comics
> recently, and has a really good feel for how they work."
>
> You can find that forum thread here:
>
> http://forums.millarworld.biz/viewtopic.php?t=568&postdays=0&postorder=asc&s
> tart=20
>
> And Steve Lieber's website is:
>
> http://www.unrewarding.com/steve/
>
> Hopefully Sean will fill us in on his potential involvement with this
> project soon.  A Sean Stewart comic would be mad fun!
>
> Bronwen
>
> P.S. In related news for fans of Sean's book, GALVESTON -- AICN reported
> earlier this week that Sean Astin is going to direct a movie based around
> the Galveston flood of 1900.  That link is:
>
> http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14539
>
>
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The Go Game relies on the very latest in wireless technology, keeping the
game moving with a constant give-and-take of digital information. Teams of 4
to 6 players compete with one another to complete a sequence of creative
challenges or "missions" in the most ingenious, daring, creative fashion. We
track your heroic deeds as you go along, verifying your location and the
time it took to complete each mission. Go Game conspirators may be lurking
around every corner.

Through clues downloaded to a wireless device and hints planted in unlikely
places, you'll be guided through a city you only think you're familiar with.
Clues can appear at any time, anywhere. Perhaps you didn't notice the woman
on the bus reading a magazine upside-down. Or the note stuck to the side of
the bathroom mirror of your favorite bar, or the electric scooter parked
outside with your name on it. After a day of Go, you will.

As a player you may be a sleuth, a superhero, a saboteur, or all three. It
all depends on, well, you. We at Go Game Central devise a diverse range of
activities to suit everyone's interests, aspirations, strengths, and
weaknesses. We beam these "missions" to your team and you, like any good
super-human, are to complete them with wit, cunning, and creativity. To play
The Go Game you'll need quick thinking, a little street smarts, a lot of
ingenuity, and the courage to break a few social rules.

After the final mission has been completed, teams convene at a local pub to
share their experiences -- in all their high-resolution, full-color glory.
Over beers and burgers, players vote on the digital photos and videos from
the day as they're projected on the big screen. Points are tallied in a
hilarious exchange of the day's events and the winning team makes off with
the prize.

http://www.smartmobs.com/archives/000633.html

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0301/17.terraquest.php

Grown ups not ready after all: TerraQuest game axed
by Peter Cohen, pcohen@...
January 17, 2003 4:15 pm ET

Last November MindQuest Entertainment founder and CEO Keith Griffin
triumphantly declared that his company's online spy game TerraQuest was the
kind of game "adults play when they grow up." Alas, not enough of them did,
because MindQuest today announced that the game had been stopped.

Designed for Mac OS X and Windows using Shockwave and other technology,
TerraQuest encouraged players to search for clues for a US$25,000 payout. In
fact, a quarter of a million dollars was to be awarded to players by the end
of six play periods. Players paid a one-time registration fee for the
privilege.

Although MindQuest made it clear at the outset in an interview with
MacCentral that the prize money was funded from sources other than direct
registration fees, they couldn't keep the ball rolling long enough to make
it work.

"There is simply not enough participation in the experience to keep this
version of TerraQuest going," said the company in a statement.

MindQuest plans to take the feedback of users and editors who reviewed the
game to modify its "structural part," and hopes to revisit the concept in
the future.

Players who participated in TerraQuest won't be out a dime, however:
MindQuest Entertainment noted that all registration fees and charges for
"express clues" will be refunded in full to each player. The winner of the
first game period -- Roland Spencer -- will get his $25,000 payout as
promised.

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> From: "kreteno <kreteno@...>" <kreteno@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:12:18 -0000
> To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cloudmakers] Re: FW: TRONKILLERAPP.COM STARTS!
>
> There's a yahoo group set up, but it hasn't been very active:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tron2circuitboard/
>
> There's also a thread for it at the unforums of unfiction (in the
> news & rumors forum).:
> http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14
>
> Chasing the Wish should also be starting soon
> (www.chasingthewish.com).  It should be quite the experience, so if
> you haven't registered, you may want to. It's free, the registration
> is just to give them your contact information and such. There is a
> forum set up for it on unfiction as well:
> http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=54
>
> Brooke
>
> --- In cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com, "kevinst434 <kevinst434@y...>"
> <kevinst434@y...> wrote:
>> Cool. Where will we be discussing and disecting this?  Here, or
>> on some other group? Is there a Tron game Group yet?

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> From: "David Golden" <jasonfalkner10@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:50:45 -0800
> To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com, jawbreakers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cloudmakers] Excite $20,000 Treasure Hunt
>
> Someone just turned me on to this new treasure hunt at excite.com and I
> thought everyone here might like to get involved.
>
> Excite $20,000 Treasure Hunt
>
> http://msxml.excite.com/_1_VJOUS30VF49PK__info.xcite/promo/thunt/index.htm
>
>
>
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>
>
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> From: "vpisteve" <vpisteve@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:48:09 -0000
> To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cloudmakers] Re: Chat with Push, NV, Puppetmaster now on December 8,
> 2002
>
> Due to connectivity issues with Doug, this chat needed to be
> rescheduled.
>
> It's now this Sunday, Dec. 8th, at 4pm Eastern/1pm Pacific.
>
>
> --- In cloudmakers@y..., "SpaceBass" <cloudmaker@m...> wrote:
>> For any Cloudmakers who played along with the recent Push, Nevada,
> game,
>> we've managed to schedule a chat with the consulting producer
> and "Push
>> Puzzle Kingpin" Doug TenNapel for Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 5:00
> p.m. PST
>> (8:00 p.m. EST). The chat will be held in #unfiction on the Chat-
> Solutions
>> network (irc.chat-solutions.org)and will be moderated. Chat and
> question
>> guidelines will be posted shortly at Unfiction.com.
>>
>> Before working on Push, NV, Doug TenNapel got his start in
> television as an
>> animator for the cartoon version of "Attack of the Killer
> Tomatoes." Later,
>> he got interested in video games and created both the "Earthworm
> Jim" game
>> and subsequent television show. His upcoming TV effort,
> entitled "Gear," is
>> based on his graphic novel of the same name, published by Fireman
> Press. Mr.
>> TenNapel has dozens of comic book, video game, animation, and
> television
>> credits, and he also wrote, directed, and played a part in the 2000
> movie
>> Mothman. His personal website is located at
> <http://www.tennapel.com/>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> SpaceBass
>
>
> "Cloudmakers: We Make Waves."
> FAQ at: http://www.cloudmakers.org/faq/
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>
>
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This should be interesting...

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> From: "SpaceBass" <cloudmaker@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:42:51 -0800
> To: <cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [cloudmakers] Chat with Push, NV, Puppetmaster on December 1, 2002
>
> For any Cloudmakers who played along with the recent Push, Nevada, game,
> we've managed to schedule a chat with the consulting producer and "Push
> Puzzle Kingpin" Doug TenNapel for Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 5:00 p.m. PST
> (8:00 p.m. EST). The chat will be held in #unfiction on the Chat-Solutions
> network (irc.chat-solutions.org)and will be moderated. Chat and question
> guidelines will be posted shortly at Unfiction.com.
>
> Before working on Push, NV, Doug TenNapel got his start in television as an
> animator for the cartoon version of "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes." Later,
> he got interested in video games and created both the "Earthworm Jim" game
> and subsequent television show. His upcoming TV effort, entitled "Gear," is
> based on his graphic novel of the same name, published by Fireman Press. Mr.
> TenNapel has dozens of comic book, video game, animation, and television
> credits, and he also wrote, directed, and played a part in the 2000 movie
> Mothman. His personal website is located at <http://www.tennapel.com/>
>
> Cheers,
> SpaceBass
>
>
>
> "Cloudmakers: We Make Waves."
> FAQ at: http://www.cloudmakers.org/faq/
> To unsubscribe: cloudmakers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
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Good post summarising currently running games

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> From: "SpaceBass" <cloudmaker@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:46:33 -0800
> To: <cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [cloudmakers] Re: Well Now Isn't That Interesting
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Debra Lyn Walters" <deb1325@...>
> To: <cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:52 AM
> Subject: [cloudmakers] Re: Well Now Isn't That Interesting
>
>
>> Hi, this is my first post.  I want to get into a new game but I'm
>> not sure this is it:
>>
>> I checked out the morgan ranch site.  If this is a game instead of
>> advertising only, then why doesn't the email work?
> ...
> <snip>
> ...
>> Please help...am I taking too much time with a site that isn't going
>> anywhere?
>>
>
> Unfortunately, yes, if you are interested in them only for the purpose of
> getting into a new game. The Ring websites were a viral marketing promotion
> only, the sites being basically static (with small tweaks every once in a
> while) and the only interactive element being shills going to message boards
> and posting about how they'd seen the videotape in the movie.  The websites
> do help to add to the atmosphere of the movie if you plan to see it,
> however.  Check out the forum archive at ARGN if you want to laugh at a
> bunch of other people who thought it was a game for a while -
> http://www.argn.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=34
>
>
> Some currently running games that I am aware of are (warning, mostly
> self-links to resource pages):
>
> Search4e - http://www.unfiction.com/compendi/games/search4e/
> Alias v2.0 - http://www.unfiction.com/compendi/games/alias/
> NoahBoddy - http://www.unfiction.com/compendi/games/nb/
> TimeHunt (online treasure hunt) -
> http://www.unfiction.com/compendi/games/timehunt/
>
> There's also the Uncap the Ride game (a.k.a. :K:) related to the BMW Film
> Shorts - http://www.deciphernaut-hq.com/
>
> If you'd like to get in on the ground floor of a game, I'd recommend waiting
> for Chasing The Wish to begin later this year. The lead puppetmaster has a
> history of producing stellar work and a very personalized, interactive
> gaming experience - http://www.unfiction.com/compendi/games/ctw/
>
> Cheers,
> SpaceBass
>
>
>
> "Cloudmakers: We Make Waves."
> FAQ at: http://www.cloudmakers.org/faq/
> To unsubscribe: cloudmakers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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The Cloudmakers Yahoo! Group has now changed its membership from "open"
(anyone can join) to "moderated".

Moderated membership means that the moderators approve any requests for
membership to the Cloudmakers Yahoo! Group.

Over the last few months, the number of new members has slowed down to a
trickle and we believe that changing to moderated membership will reduce the
amount of spam that the group has been receiving.

On behalf of the Cloudmakers Moderators,

Dan (co-mod)

Nokia Game 2002, an interactive adventure provided by Nokia, will be played
from 11 to 29 November in nine languages across 25 countries in Europe and
the Middle East simultaneously. During the game, players receive a mission
that they must complete within the next 20 days. Those players who complete
the mission to the fullest (i.e. score the most points) will win.

Compared to previous versions of Nokia Game, this year offers both active
and casual players the opportunity to play at their own level. Due to a new
game concept, players can enjoy the experience 24 hours a day, if they want
to, and upload and share their own created content to amaze and impress
fellow players.

In addition, players are challenged to create a new game identity and
investigate - using their game identity - the borders between fiction and
reality. Close cooperation with the world's largest music publishing
companies has resulted in a game theme that will teach participants the ins
and outst of today's music business.

Nokia Game uses the Internet, SMS, chat, interactive voice response (IVR)
calls and mini-movies distributed over the web to share information and
provide clues and instructions to the players. There's no participation fee
to participate in Nokia Game. To play, participants need to have access to
the Internet, an e-mail address, and a mobile phone with the capacity to
receive short messages.

At the end of the game, the top 10-100 players in each country will each win
a special new Nokia 3650 phone with integrated camera, video player and
camrecorder. The winners will be among the first in their region to own and
use this new phone.

http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2447.html
http://www.nokiagame.com

ARGN closes, Unfiction opens :)

Unfiction is also accessible from: http://unfiction.cloudmakers.org/

Ta muchly, and happy playing,

Dan

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> From: "SpaceBass" <SpaceBass@...>
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:07:56 -0700
> To: "DanHon" <dan@...>
> Subject: unforum open for discussion
>
> Well, for far too long Unfiction.com has been lacking in the ability for you
> all to quickly and easily provide feedback. I thought about moving to a
> content management system so that I could add individual commenting ability
> for each article but it turns out I don't like content management systems.
> ;)
>
> So I'm opening up a forum with specific areas for discussion, feedback,
> suggestions, criticism, and general tomfoolery related to Unfiction.com and
> the ARG community. I'd appreciate any feedback you might have about this
> site or the forums themselves, so that Unfiction can continue to be a
> popular destination for news, rumors, information, and resources important
> to you.
>
> -SpaceBass
>
> Note: In light of yesterday's announcement by ARGN, I have added a Push, NV,
> category. Same request for feedback applies, and if y'all want to play
> anything else here, just let me know.
>
>

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Dear all,

You might be wondering what's happening with the Cloudmakers list. Well, for
those of you who still stop by every once in a while, here's an update (it
might not be going out on a Tuesday but it's an update nonetheless).

1 September 2002 saw the launch of Collective Detective
(http://www.collectivedetective.org/), a new community site for games such
as the Beast.

It's our belief that the Cloudmakers list and Collective Detective can, and
will, co-exist :)

So, for what it's worth, he's a clarification of the position of
Cloudmakers:

Cloudmakers the website, at http://www.cloudmakers.org/, will continue to be
the archive for the original Beast material, the trail, the guide and the
other fun bits that soaked up months of your life for the foreseeable
future.

Cloudmakers the list, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers/, will
also still be sticking around to provide a free mailing list about
everything to do with the Beast, and posting information about new games in
the genre. Yahoo! might be sticking it to us with adverts, but we'll be
trying our best to post the most interesting news to the list, and hey, it's
free!

Basically? We're still here, and we're still sticking around if you'd like
to talk :)

Regards,

Dan (co-mod)

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> From: "bethdegeer" <bdegeer@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:40:57 -0000
> To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cloudmakers] Serious swag for Second State Beta Testers
>
> At the risk of being seriously mauled:
>
> I know you all are aware of Secondstate, and would be playing it if
> you were interested.  However, here's something you may not be aware
> of:
>
> Players found out a few weeks ago that we were essentially
> participating in a beta test--the "actual" game will go live in
> September (http://www.search4e.org) and will be a monthly
> subscription to play for the life of the game (looks like Sept 2002-
> Sept 2003).  The Players were offered a challenge at a bank last
> week.  One walked away with a set of keys, for which Oysterlass, one
> of the game characters, has offered her $600.  One got an antique
> book on Ancient Druids, which Amazon.com values at more than $700.
> One got some antique coins, valued at more than $1000.
>
> There's more swag out there, folks.  So far it looks like even in the
> presence of money, players are behaving pretty well.
>
> And I have to say, that despite some rocky places, Secondstate turned
> out to be a challenging, unpredictable game, with a compelling
> storyline and seemingly a lot of player influence over the
> proceedings.
>
> So if any of this appeals to you, consider yourself invited.  Check
> out the guide at http://www.sobiak.com, and stop by the forum at ARGN
> at http://www.argn.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=3
>
> Please don't smack me around for this post, guys.  I thought enough
> of this was new info that it would be ok.  If not just discard it and
> accept my apologies.
>
> Beth
>
>
>
> "Cloudmakers: We Make Waves."
> FAQ at: http://www.cloudmakers.org/faq/
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>
>
>
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>
>
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SeanWatch is on the ball as always:

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> From: "henweniii" <henweniii@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:14:19 -0000
> To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cloudmakers] Re: World SF convention
>
>> The trick is to figure out where Sean will be in the evening.  Late
>> deserts, etc.  You don't need a membership to troll the halls of
> the
>> Fairmont hotel for the evening parties.
>
> True.  If Sean knew where he was going to be Saturday, he'd probably
> say.  But come to think of it, CMs being CMs, he rather expects
> you'll figure out before he does, and pass the info on to whomever is
> interested by some form of electronic telepathy.  <smile>
>
>
>
> "Cloudmakers: We Make Waves."
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> From: "henweniii" <henweniii@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:02:32 -0000
> To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cloudmakers] World SF convention
>
> Hey guys, Sean here.
>
> Just letting you know that I'm supposed to be on a panel at this
> year's worldcon in San Jose all about Online Gaming, this Saturday at
> 4:00 pm.  If there were going to be any CMs at the con, stop by and
> say hello....
>
>
>
> "Cloudmakers: We Make Waves."
> FAQ at: http://www.cloudmakers.org/faq/
> To unsubscribe: cloudmakers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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It's good. I'm watching it right now :)

> The BBC over here in good old Blighty have unleashed a new
> interactive online drama to promote a new MI5 spy drama, "Spooks"
> premiering on UK TV tonight -
>
> It seems to be a cross between the Beast and Majestic - The creator
> has given a nod to our little game -  "We owe a debt to Spielberg
> because he launched a similar game in the States when his film AI
> came out, but with that it was possible to solve all the clues at
> once, whereas this takes place in real time," he says.
>
> The creators are expecting around 200,000 people to join in...
>
> Link to a feature in Media Guardian -
> http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,714358,00.html
>
> direct link to starting page -  http://www.thameshouse.net
>
> (the link to the starting page was discovered after reading an advert
> in british satirical magazine "Private Eye" - the reader then phoned
> a telephone number and heard a recorded message...)
>
>
>
> mister_pol ( licky - lick! )
>
>
>
>
> "Cloudmakers: We Make Waves."
> FAQ at: http://www.cloudmakers.org/faq/
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>
>
>
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> From: "xtrymist" <xtrymist@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:43:39 -0000
> To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cloudmakers] The other Neil Young....
>
> Didn't know if this has been shared yet...a tidbit from the Game
> Developer's Conference
>
> Viva La Evolution: Episodic Entertainment – Lecture by Neil Young
> from
> Entertainment Arts
>
> Overview:
> Neil Young was the creative lead on Majestic, an innovative online
> game that featured brand new ways to interact with games.  Players
> paid a subscription rate of $9.95/month, and could buy the first 3
> chapters of the game on a CD for roughly $29.99.  They could chose to
> be contacted via email, pager, and telephone, and therefore be sucked
> into game play in a much more personal manner.  The game could
> unexpectedly call you with clues to the story line, and thus blur the
> line between fantasy and reality.  But Majestic is now considered a
> virtual failure, and has halted all production.  This lecture was an
> overview of the philosophies of the game, and an examination of why
> it failed.
>
> ·    Young's first point was about the value of a big idea –
> he
> stressed the importance of starting with an innovative, impressive
> concept.
> ·    At the same token, he stated that interesting concepts won't
> always appeal to the masses – you must always consider your
> audience's expectations.
> ·    In Majestic, they updated their content once a month – he
> learned that a month is a long time to attempt to hold an
> audience's
> attention, and that more frequent updates are needed.  Consider TV
> and radio – they're episodic content is updated weekly.
> ·    Serial episodic content is a burden on new arrivals – by
> this
> he means that new players must start at square one, and are therefore
> separated from the other players.  This means that a shared
> experience is rare- most people are alone in their present spot in
> the game, and creating a sense of community is therefore extremely
> challenging.  This also means the production team was making new
> content for a decreasingly large audience – not a good way to
> spend
> resources.
> ·    With this model, time, not quality, becomes the ultimate
> arbitrator.  The production team was forced to adhere to strict
> deadlines and had to let quality slip in order to meet expectations.
> ·    As a rule, you don't do your best work first, and therefore
> the best work from Young's team was seen by the smallest number
> of
> people.
> ·    He recommended that community content designers allow their
> guests to share in the here and now –  serial episodic content
> where
> players  must start at square one doesn't work (think TV shows-
> they
> often recap the important aspects of the season directly before the
> show begins.)  This allows for word of mouth to carry your game more,
> and lets social groups form within the product.
> ·    Players should be rewarded for taking the time to engage in
> the game – the only reward in Majestic was completing the story
> line,
> and this clearly was not enough to encourage die hard players to
> stick with it month after month.
> ·    He stressed that momentum is fragile- Majestic was a huge
> success out of the box, but world wide events and many other factors
> quickly brought their subscription numbers down in a dramatic fashion.
> ·    He believes the product must exceed the early player's
> expectations – never underestimate the power of word of mouth.
> ·    If you're developing episodic content, you must ensure that
> you're making the experience deeper and richer, allowing the
> community to grow over time.
> ·    You should create your release cycle based on customer
> expectations, not on your own established production timeline.
>
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------ End of Forwarded Message

Hmmmm, hopefully, when the Next Big Game(tm) comes along, we'll have
something a bit better than yahoo.


--- In cloudmakers@y..., "taxicafe" <taxicafe@y...> wrote:
Happy One Year Anniversary Cloudmakers!!!!
==========================================

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

April.11.2002

TaxiCafe Media contracted to develop community site for
Distributed Investigative Environments


Collective Detective has announced the upcoming release of
CollectiveDetective.org, a resource for managing Distributed
Investigative Environments. Collective Detective is a start-up
agency
whose mission is to empower the public with information and data
management tools for collaboration in providing solutions to complex
mysteries.

TaxiCafe Media was selected to develop the project after
spectacularly underbidding every other entrant, and partially
because
of the company's extensive involvement in development of the
Cloudmaker community, the world-renowned organization and world
leader of fictional immersive campaigns. Consistently proving
themselves as having the pulse of the community, TaxiCafe Media
received clearance to seek feature feedback and commentary from
thirteen members of Cloudmakers and Jawbreakers.

"We were very adamant about having the feedback of pioneers in the
area. The bottom line is, you can't design a project of this scope
and not solicit feedback from the very people you're trying to
develop a better community structure for", explains Josh Babetski,
company President. "But to have a few thousand people throw in their
two-cents is insanity. hopefully, we'll be able to include more
individuals in the beta-testing phase."

"Collective Detective is filling a need to provide all-inclusive
online facilities for these groups who are answering the call to
unravel questions in a world where information's accuracy and
timeliness have never been more important", says Randall Cremean,
Media Relations for TaxiCafe. "The current resources no longer fit
the needs of these organizations. It is a quagmire of duct tape and
pop-up ads."

Collective Detective has instructed TaxiCafe Media to provide
monthly
progress updates. Interested parties are asked not to make direct
inquiries to either organization, as they will not be returned.
TaxiCafe Media refused to comment on a rumored feature called
the "Uber Trout Function."

Some of the features that will be included in
CollectiveDetective.org:

- Single login for messages, evidence trail, and detective profiles.
- Message rating system: Quickly evaluate, and grade the quality of
incoming information.
- Message organization by Topic headers as well as classic "Yahoo"
style.
- Detective profiles organized by cases, with improved search
functionality.
- Checks and Balances system for moderators. Elections and no-
confidence removal features provide user oversight.
- Improved group web space with increased functionality and storage
space.

TaxiCafe Media will supply another update on or before May 11, 2002.
Depending on demand, there may be an online press conference to take
questions before the site's launch sometime this summer.
--- End forwarded message ---

As an anniversary treat, Brian Seitz unzipped xocxoc's Beast archive
onto cloudmakers.org.  The website now contains the [nearly] complete
archive of the game sites as they looked on July 23rd.  Thanks to
xocxoc, a.k.a. Paul Cox, for all his hard work and for allowing us to
present the archive in this way.  Thanks also to Elan Lee for giving us
the go ahead -- or at least for turning a blind eye (whichever the
lawyers prefer).

The Trail, Guide, and Journey have been updated to link to the new
archive instead of to the dead game sites.  This is a great opportunity
for people who joined Cloudmakers post-Endgame to see what they missed.
The game also now makes a pretty good read in this form for old-timers
as well.

Dead links from other sections of the website have been either hunted
down to their new homes or eliminated.  We may well have errors on the
site, and anyone who finds them is encouraged to write to
bugs@....

The new logo and rough layout were designed by Dan Hon.

The FAQ will be rewritten ASAP.

The old site is being archived.  It will live at
http://trout.cloudmakers.org, and will be accessible by a link from the
main menu.  The subdomain simply hasn't resolved yet.

. . . I think that's it.  Enjoy!

Bronwen Liggitt

------ Forwarded Message
> From: Dan Hon <lists@...>
> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:51:11 +0000
> To: Cloudmakers <cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Yahoo's at it again (or why you're suddenly getting lots of spam)
>
> I just got this from another mailing list and checked: Yup, it's all there.
> Yahoo is getting ready to spam you.
>
> Short take:
>
> 1. Log in to Yahoo! Groups
> 2. Go to "Account Info"
> 3. Enter your password
> 4. Click "Edit Marketing Preferences"
> 5. If you wish to receive no spam, well, you'll know what to do.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
>>>> Do you all remember when Yahoo went down for a few days?  Well,
>>> here's
>>>> one of the changes they implemented.  Ain't that just so sweet,
>>> they
>>>> signed us all up for lots of Spam.  NOT!
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo has added a "marketing" area to the account set up area
>>> of
>>>> groups. When you go into it you will see that they have set
>>> you
>>>> to "yes" on everything. I highly advise everyone to go in and
>>> change
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> When you're logged in at Yahoogroups, click on Account Info
>>> on the
>>>> top right corner of the screen. Enter your password when prompted,
>>>> then below the listing of your email addresses, you'll see a
>>> link
>>>> for "Edit Marketing Preferences", click on that.  You'll see
>>> it's
>>>> set to Yes (please send me spam) on every option.  Set them
>>> all to
>>>> No, don't forget the two towards the bottom of the page about
>>> phone
>>>> and snail mail spam and click the button to save it.

------ End of Forwarded Message

I've written up about 20 pages of notes on Elan Lee's lecture at the
Game Developer's Conference in San Jose.

   http://pantheon.yale.edu/~dgf4/notagame/

Takeaway: It's time to start getting excited again.  Elan has a new
department, called "The Hive" and is less than a month away from a
major milestone.  The child of the Beast is coming, so you might as
well quit your job now.  ;)

-Dan

BUY SALLA T-SHIRTS!!!  http://www.cafepress.com/salla

Cloudmakers-Moderated: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers-moderated

The Yahoo! Groups service will be down for scheduled maintenance from
Friday, March 15, 5:00am GMT, till late morning Sunday, March 17, while
We are moving our servers to a new facility.

During this time, the web site will be unavailable. Email sent to your
group will be queued and delivered when the service is back up. There
will be some delay while the system catches up with the email backlog.

We apologise for the inconvenience and thank you for using Yahoo!
Groups.

The Yahoo! Groups Team

  - http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/groups/downtime.html

This may or may not be a game, but I'm passing it along anyway just in
case anyone wants to check it out.

You can see the trailer (it's the fourth SW:AOTC trailer entitled "Clone
War") at http://www.apple.com/trailer/

Bronwen,
clearly pinch-hitting for Dan Hon tonight


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:54:08 -0000
From: mupigirl47 <mupigirl@...>
Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cloudmakers] Star Wars trailer game?

OK, haven't posted here since last summer, but a friend of mine just
brought this to my attention:

At the end of the episode II trailer they showed tonight, they listed
this website at the end:  www.holonetnews.com

Dang... looks awfully suspicious if you ask me... anyone else catch
this?  Explored the site any?  I'm just now looking through it, and
there's one area where they ask for a six digit number right on the
front page.  Random numbers give you random weather reports for
random planets...

Help!  Anyone!

Sus

None of the other websites appear to be live to me.  As to whether there's
a link to a new game or not . . . I doubt it.  Every indication that we've
had from the PMs suggested that they would have need *way* more prep
time for Round Two than they had for The Beast.  So, don't count your
chickens till they hatch, but it's worth checking out all the same.

Bronwen

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:09:58 -0000
From: urbanzombie2 <qamu@...>
Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cloudmakers] The Beast is back, baby!

Trout me if necessary, but I accidentally clicked on an old link when
deleting some old mail... and apparently, the Beast is back up.  Or
at least Familia Salla is.  Was this never taken down, or has
Microsoft decided to indeed recognize the argument of "but it's
really cool!"?

Or, more intriguingly, is it maybe up as a tie to the new game?

http://www.familiasalla-es.ro/

-----Original Message-----
From: tony_behnam [mailto:tony.behnam@...]
Sent: 26 February 2002 00:34
To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cloudmakers] DVD Tested and disapointing


And sorry to all...not a word about the Beast !!!

No DVD-Rom features, not a mention about the beast, nothing. Even the
trailers are missing. We just have the teaser and the first
trailer with the warning and the seven key words, that's all. Very sad
to see that the work of the PM's is not even recognized by
Spielberg. Maybe he didn't like what the project ended beeing.

Anyway, the US DVD is already available here in Switzerland and I'm
sad to see that our world was missing in there.

Regards,

Swissben



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-----Original Message-----
From: sam_greenlaw [mailto:sam_greenlaw@...]
Sent: 25 February 2002 16:51
To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cloudmakers] "David" technology... A.I. DVD...



NYTimes today has I.B.M. reporting a new chip technology with a
practical first-gen speed of 100 GHz.  Lab speed 285 GHz.  Very low
power requirement.

That's about enough for a "David"....  Cute if they make the first
one that "passes" look like HJO.

**************

www.pricescan.com reports best buy ($ 20.44) with 100 minutes of
extra stuff at:

http://secure01.entertainme.com/servlet/ProductServlet?id=14427015

And the DVD website is up.  at:

http://www.aidvdmovie.com/frame.html --- anything new ?





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Any volunteers to mirror xoc's file?

-----Original Message-----
From: xocxoc [mailto:xocxoc@...]
Sent: 22 February 2002 14:43
To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cloudmakers] Beast Archive and DVD Review


I got a note from Ben Solo, he is working to find out what the
forbidden messages are all about, in the mean time at least one
volunteer is offering to mirror the file. (any other takers?)

Obviously, the demand is a little too high right now, but be patient.

Also, there is another A.I. DVD Review up at aintitcool.com. No
mention of "The Beast" anywhere in the review, but so far no reviewer
has put the DVD into a computer to check out the DVD ROM side of
things.



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-----Original Message-----
From: J.Brown (Ender/Amigo) [mailto:yahoo@...]
Sent: 21 February 2002 17:26
To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cloudmakers] UPDATE: Rolodex and Slideshow


For the missing bits, you can browse my archive at:

	 http://www.enderboi.com/beast/

Some sites are missing (but I'll fill them in from here), but it's
designed to be viewed online, and all the flash files have been edited
to work correctly.

So use mine for browing, xocxoc's for keepsake and all the other nifty
stuff he's included. hehe :)


Regards,        | It's always bad news in computing.. and beware
		 | of anything claming to be good news - because
                 | its probably a virus. - Salmon Days
         Ender   |
   (James Brown) | [Nehahra, EasyCuts, PureLS, www.QuakeSrc.org]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, xocxoc wrote:

> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:08:23 -0000
> From: xocxoc <xocxoc@...>
> Reply-To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cloudmakers] UPDATE: Rolodex and Slideshow
>
> Well the beast is gone...or is it?
>
> Might want to visit the Rolodex http://xocxoc.com/rolodex.htm or
> slideshow http://xocxoc.com/slideshow.htm one last time.
>
> There is a 64MB file you may be interested in downloading there.
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: xocxoc [mailto:xocxoc@...]
Sent: 21 February 2002 15:08
To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cloudmakers] UPDATE: Rolodex and Slideshow


Well the beast is gone...or is it?

Might want to visit the Rolodex http://xocxoc.com/rolodex.htm or
slideshow http://xocxoc.com/slideshow.htm one last time.

There is a 64MB file you may be interested in downloading there.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Hon [mailto:lists@...]
Sent: 18 February 2002 16:43
To: cloudmakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cloudmakers] Planetarium


http://www.beholder.co.uk/planetarium/

"A girl with complete foresight but no recollection of the past receives
a love-letter from beyond the end of her future. Guided by her friend
the mathemagician, she begins a journey through the events which his
calculations have predicted and her intuition has foreseen, towards the
source of the curious letter."

"Each instalment contains three puzzles -- usually one riddle, one
number problem and one tricky puzzle -- whose answers themselves form an
overall puzzle, which can only be solved when the whole of Planetarium
has been completed."

"Planetarium is a story-puzzle in weekly instalments. You can simply
enjoy reading the story, or you can try solving some of the puzzles
embedded within it. You don't need to solve -- or even attempt to solve
-- any of the puzzles to progress from one instalment to the next."

I think this might appeal to one or two of us :)

Dan



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