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Fw: [clicker-training-video] Hi Andrea! I need your advice!   Message List  
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Folks, we got a reply about how that blind dog is doing with her cat-chasing problem. Good news! The dog is getting better.
 
And THANK YOU, Lynn, for sharing this with us.  Keep up the good work and bless you for being a foster mom!!
 
:)
 
Andrea

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Lynn Everhart <lynneverhart1@...>
To: Andrea Robinson <andreadogtrainer@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:37:47 PM
Subject: Re: [clicker-training-video] Hi Andrea! I need your advice!

Hi Andrea,
I had been so sick the past few days, I didn't do anything but click and treat her when she sat when I said, or if she left the cats alone when I said. But I've noticed the past couple of days is so much better than a week ago. She's not as manic about following them, I think she just likes to because it's something to do. She's not even that good at smelling them, as they can pass right by her and she doesn't notice. She doesn't really chase them, just likes to sniff around, but now she'll lay down and rest or take a nap sometimes instead of going for hours at a time.
 
...Poor little thing has been through some stress the past few months, now one more move to a permanent home, whenever that happens, and she'll be set forever. She's so good, today while out walking in the woods in the park behind us, two dogs came from a backyard barking, I didn't know at the time they had invisible fence. I am not really scared, I just get tough and yell good, mean and loud NO! The big one was good, the little one kept barking, then the owner came out and talked to me, but the whole time Angel did not bark, growl, snarl, whine, or anything like Murray would have done. He didn't like other dogs so much, doesn't bother Angel.
 
OK, thanks again for the info...
Lynn


From: Andrea Robinson <andreadogtrainer@...>
To: Lynn Everhart <lynneverhart1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:45:07 PM
Subject: Re: [clicker-training-video] Hi Andrea! I need your advice!

So nice to hear from you!

 

I have 11 dogs and 4 cats here now.  Yes, I still volunteer a lot.

 

I really hope that your foster dog gets better and it sounds like she will over time. She is responding well to the leash.  I really think teaching the "leave it" will be more effective than just clicking her for being still.

 

Good luck and please keep us posted! Sorry I have to run!

 

:)

 

Andrea



----- Original Message ----
From: Lynn Everhart <lynneverhart1@...>
To: Andrea Robinson <andreadogtrainer@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:38:15 PM
Subject: Re: [clicker-training-video] Hi Andrea! I need your advice!

Hi Andrea,
Thanks for all the info! My husband was home with her most of the day and said she was pretty good, slept, quiet, but then again, the cats all sleep during the day too and were probably out of sight or smell. I walked her when I got home and then I was busy with dinner, laundry etc. and let her run around, and she was looking for them as usual. A little while ago I put the leash back on her and she laid down here with me. I had to go down cellar and put clothes in the dryer so let her go, and she laid down on her own, first time for me! Then she started again, the searching, so I put it back on her. Thing is, when she's quiet and laying, I click and treat, and that gets her up where she was laying quiet before! The funny thing is right now, there's one cat laying right on the sofa about a foot from her face and either she doesn't know or doesn't care about that particular cat. Booboo is the only one who hasn't smacked her, he just moves out of her way when she gets real close. The other 2 do most of the time, but sometimes they are sitting there and don't move and smack her when finds them. So I think there is hope for her, it's just a pain having to keep everyone separate if no one is home for awhile. Oh well, way it goes! I wanted to help out more, so it was my decision to do this. SharPei Savers said they would take her back if it didn't work out, but that would mean back to the kennel for her and I don't want that. I want her to get adopted.
Tomorrow we go to the vet after work to get the stitches out of her eyes and to make sure she doesn't have a UTI or kidney problem for all the water she drinks and how much she pees. I don't think I sent you her picture, I'll do that. We just fenced in part of our backyard - oh, we bought a house a year ago last summer so we have a huge backyard now, and it's right next to a beautiful park, nice to walk in. Anyway, we'll start working on that, thanks so much! How are things with you? How many dogs do you have now? Are you still helping out at the local pound? OK, take care,
Lynn

----- Original Message ----
From: Andrea Robinson <andreadogtrainer@...>
To: lynneverhart1 <lynneverhart1@...>
Cc: AndreaDogTrainer group <AndreaDogTrainer@yahoogroups.com>; clicker-training-video@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:20:49 PM
Subject: Re: [clicker-training-video] Hi Andrea! I need your advice!

Lynn, so nice to hear from you.  I'm copying another Yahoo group about dog training because I know you won't mind.
 
Answers are below:

----- Original Message ----
From: lynneverhart1 <lynneverhart1@...>
To: clicker-training-video@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 4:20:21 PM
Subject: [clicker-training-video] Hi Andrea! I need your advice!

Hi Andrea,
Been a long time, hasn't it?

--Yes, it has!!


Look, I just took in a foster dog from SharPei Savers where we had
gotten blind Murray years ago. This little girl is 5 years old and
blind too. Her 80 year old owner got sick and her "friends" took
Angel to the pound. SharPei Savers rescued her, but because no foster
homes were available, she was put in a kennel to wait for the past 2
months. I decided to be a foster home for them, and she is my first
one. She is very sweet.

--Good for you!

Trouble is she is OBSESSED with my 3 cats! I
mean, she won't stop looking for them constantly! We just got her
Sat.  so I let her have the run of the house, and even though she's
gotten smacked 3 times so far, it doesn't stop her.

--What's happening is that the reinforcement she gets from chasing the cats is more important to her than the punishment of having the cats swat her on the nose.  When that happens, you have to arrange the environment so she doesn't have the chance to constantly rehearse the bad behavior, because she's currently reinforcing her own bad behavior over and over.  When the dog doesn't get the prize she is looking for, she will be more open to taking a "consolation prize" from us.

She smells them as they pass and she's off and tracking. Even if they don't pass her, she's looking, all the time. This afternoon I finally left her leash on her harness and kept her with me. Right now the leash is hooked over my shoe as I am on the computer, and for the first time she is laying down.

-- Now you're talking! By controlling her movements, you've interrupted her ability to perform the self-reinforcing behavior.  Now it's time to take the next step and set up the environment for a series of lessons.   Because she's blind, it will be a little more complicated, but the essence is the same.  Read on...

She would run around here for hours and hours before and
never rest. So how can I fix her fixation? I did buy a new clicker as
I gave my old one away, do I get it and click it now as she is
resting and give her a treat?

-- Yes, please buy another clicker.  Blind dogs love it.  If she is resting quietly, you can capture that behavior and click and treat it.  But what are you going to name that behavior?  Think of something you would like to say when the cats are present.  Let's say you want to teach the command "leave it."

-- Get a friend to help you with this.  Have the friend hold some treats in his hand while you have the clicker and some other, different treats available.  Tell the friend to lower his closed hand close enough to her that she can smell the treats but to simply keep his hand closed so she can't get them.  He's got to leave his hand down there while she tries to get the treats out.  In the meantime, you say "Leave it" and wait until she gives up trying and looks away, even if it's for a split second.  At the precise instant that she looks away, you click and treat her and your friend removes his hand.  Do this several times until she looks away as soon as you say, "Leave it." 

-- The last time you do this, say, "Wait," instead of "leave it," and when you click, let your friend open his hand and give her his treats.  (You see, "Leave it" means that the dog is never going to get it.  "Wait" means that the dog can have it, but has to wait until you say it's okay.)  I always like to end a training session on a high note like this.  Training sessions should only last about 10 minutes or so.

-- Next step:  You really can't do this next step if the dog has free run of the house, and I do recommend you using baby gates or some other means to define the areas where your dog is allowed.   Putting her on a leash or in an x-pen are fine for the next part. 

-- Anyway, put away all the cats except one while your dog is confined to an area.  Put the one cat in a cat carrier, and consider covering it with a towel or something so the cat will not be afraid when she sees the dog.  Bring the carrier within "noseshot" of your dog, but far enough away that the dog will not be able to reach it.  Say "Leave it," and let the dog struggle to get at the cat, because you know that it will never work.

-- At the precise second that the dog seems to give up or turn away, click and treat!  Make a big fuss like it's the best trick you've ever seen.  You'll need to repeat this over and over with the various cats, taking as much time as you need.  Remember that you should only do it for 10 minutes at a time, so it may be once a day for several weeks, several times a day for a week or two, or whatever.  The behavior of the dog and the cats is what will determine how much time you need. 

-- Don't be too stingy with the click and treat at first.  For example, the dog may only turn away for a split-second and you've got to be quick enough to click and treat before she goes back to trying for the cat.

-- If this does not work at the distance you've selected because the dog simply never looks away, try it again with the cat a little farther away. 

-- The main thing to be careful of is to make sure the cats don't get traumatized during this experience.  You can also use some cat-scented item instead of the actual cat if you like.  If the dog doesn't respond right away, you can rustle the item so it sounds more like a live cat.

And what else can I do? HELP!!!
Lynn

--Lynn, I'm glad you asked and I certainly hope this is of help!  Please let us know how it goes! So nice hearing from you!!  :)  Andrea





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