Ron

I know your memory isn't that bad, yet. hahahaha

I went to Hawaii in June of this year because 1) I had to make an out of country
trip, 2) I turned age 65 and had to visit with Social Security and make a
decision on Part B, 3) to resister with the VA there and try to get a physical,
4) to do some paperwork that was easier to handle when in country and, 5) visit
with friends. :)

It was a wonderful trip and just for the record, my ticket was provided by my
son from his frequent flyer miles so I could keep the miles I have in my plan.
Does this help your memory any? lol

Doug Arnold
Living in Davao
0-918-570-1025


--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ronspeers@...> wrote:
>
> Michael, Doug even went to Hawaii looking for government medical care. But he
DID pay his own way to Hawaii. LOL
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> >
> > Arnie, why can't you pay your own way instead of crying here that the US
government wont jump to attention fast ernough when you show up at some veteran
facility?
> >
> >
> > ROFL!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Douglas Arnold <darnoldcndc@>
> > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 4:40:31 AM
> > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > And you are here to tell us how much more we should burden the future
children of America in order to bail out we, the current self absorbed adult
crop of losers; right? May I ask, what right do we have to put this burden on
them? Better yet, why can't we pay our own way?
> >
> > Doug Arnold
> > Living in Davao
> > 0-918-570-1025
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "HMCRET" <hmcret@> wrote:
> > >
> > >   Actually most economists say the amount of money in the stimulus
> > > package should be much higher.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just to expand, Obama is not doing anything that is not standard
economics. Here in Canada we are also going into deficit budgeting to restart
the economy. The big difference is that until the economy took a downturn we had
a government that had balanced the budget instead of stimulating housing prices
with deficits.
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@ >
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 10:27:29 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So now you can forecast the economy ... funny how the Republicans under
Clinton also 'forecast' an economic downturn when early in his administration he
raised taxes to balance the budget.
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 9:13:29 AM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let's put it this way: all Obama has done is buy a few basis points in
the GDP. When a particular spigot runs dry, there is no remaining effect from
it.
> > > >
> > > > For instance, once cash for clunkers ended, car sales have gone back
down. Another for instance, that first time homebuyer's $8k tax credit is
expiring and home sales volume is already heading back down again. These
examples show that governments cannot count on buying continuous prosperity,
that they need to think about the types of programs, regulations and tax
incentives that would show a more lasting effect.
> > > >
> > > > There will be no real recovery without new private sector jobs because
consumers are still the biggest portion of the US economy. If they're busy
deleveraging and otherwise cutting their spending because they are afraid for
their own jobs or they have already lost them, the economy will remain anemic at
best. When the truth of this sinks in, when it is seen that all the government
has done is prop up banks and real estate, the markets and the economy will be
headed back down again next year.
> > > >
> > > > New jobs come from businesses small and large risking their capital to
put people on their payrolls. But Obama is no friend of business unless it's
about his banker buddies on Wall Street such as Bernanke, Geithner and others.
Businesses have received no certainty from the Administration or Congress
regarding executive compensation issues, including possible clawbacks; they have
received no certainty regarding their out-of-pocket costs to support health care
reform; they are now afraid to accept handouts and loans from the government
because of the conditions that are often attached to them; they are afraid of
being demonized and taxed harder for the sin of earning a great rate of return.
In this chilly environment, it is not difficult to understand why the typical
business owners and executives do not want to stick their necks out and take
risks.
> > > >
> > > > It is all well and good to consider the typical income transfer programs
and job creation programs (heck, I even support some of them!), but one has to
remember that *all* government programs require a tax base to pay for them. In
the case of the US, that tax base needs to be very wide in order to pay for
Obama's wish list. Instead the tax base has continued to erode under Obama's
leadership. If government policies don't help to expand the tax base, then
sooner or later the increase in government spending will strip it down to the
point it can not support the government as well as it has in the past. Does
Obama understand this? That remains to be seen.
> > > >
> > > > Government can only do so much on its own and then the powder is going
to run dry. What will happen when the Chinese decide they can afford to lessen
their participation in the Treasury markets? That day is not that far off. I'll
leave it to your imaginations what will happen when our spenders in DC (both
Democrats and Republicans) find out they no longer have access to blank
checks...
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > So you don't believe that Obama returning the country to growth is a
good thing? Arnie has already been on record as opposing it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@ >
> > > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 1:06:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you speak of narrow-mindedness, you ought to look in the mirror.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "DavidB" <dajobann@ .> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "LOL, can someone with more patience with slow learners than me
explain economic cycles 101 to Arnie?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would no good to explain anything to Arnie using facts or logic.
He is immune to both approaches.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has been almost three centuries since Alexander Pope wrote words
that fit him to a t.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Narrow minded people are like narrow necked bottles.  The less they
have in them, the more noise they make coming out."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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"All of this talk about having to deal
> > with an insurance company clerk is greek to me because
> > I have never experienced it.  In fact, I have never
> > experienced any of the health care problems I hear about
> > here...Roger"

Right there Roger.  You make it sound like all these problems millions of
Americans are talking about are not real.  Well they are....  The logic you are
using in that statement, well, is flawed.  That logic used in your statement,
rape must not exist becuase its never happend to you directly.
I am very sorry to here about what happend to your family member, I hope they
execute the worthless pile of shit that did it.  You need to understand and come
to grips with the idea that not only things that happen to you and your family
are real.  The word empathy comes to mind.


--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Dicemeister@... <Dicemeister@...> wrote:

> From: Dicemeister@... <Dicemeister@...>
> Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:34 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> First of all, good going with your choice of
> examples.� As a matter of fact, a close family member
> of mine was just raped, so good going.� Second, show me
> where I said it does not exist.� I said that I have not
> experienced it in my lifetime so it is foreign (actually I
> used the work greek)�to me.� I think that is a
> true and fair statement.� Do you want me to lie and say
> that I have seen it when I haven't?� Wow, are you
> really that good that you know what a person is implying
> better then them?� Or......are you the type of liberal
> that Steve refers to, that�likes to take what everyone
> says and twist it just to have something negative to say
> about it?� Maybe you are so jaded that you think every
> statement a guy makes has an ulterior motive so you think
> you have be defensive.� Did you ever think I was just
> making a friendly statement of my experiences without saying
> that someone else is wrong?�
> ������
> --------------
> Original message from Xavier Maldonado
> <xm65@...>: --------------
>
> have you ever been raped, murdered? By your logic those
> things must not exist
> > as well....
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Dicemeister@... wrote:
> >
> > > From: Dicemeister@...
> > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal
> HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:12 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But again Ron, I'm not trying to be
> argumentative
> > > but�this has never been my experience.
> �I have
> > > always�had employer-offered health
> insurance, either by
> > > Blue Cross/Blue Shield or United
> Healthcare.� I have
> > > been to many doctors and had several surgeries
> and I have
> > > never, ever�had to deal with an insurance
> company
> > > clerk.� I just went to the doctor, was
> diagnosed, made
> > > an appointment for surgery and then went and had
> it
> > > done.� I presented my insurance card upon
> check in, and
> > > after�the insurance company paid the
> hospital, I was
> > > billed for the balance.� Easy with no
> > > problems...ever.� All of this talk about
> having to deal
> > > with an insurance company clerk is greek
> to�me because
> > > I have never experienced it.� In fact, I
> have never
> > > experienced any of the health care problems I
> hear about
> > > here...Roger
> > > �
> > > --------------
> > > Original message from "Ron"
> > > : --------------
> > >
> > > Aw Michel, Everybody knows an insurance company
> clerk is
> > > better at triage than a
> > > > government doctor! Ron Speers
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com,
> Michael Katz
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Jim, the big advantage of a US
> style system
> > > is that if a person is rich they can pay money to
> jump ahead
> > > of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
> company.
> > > Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an
> operation
> > > you get it without having to worry that someone
> at your
> > > insurance company doesn't think you
> > > > need it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Jim
> > > > >
> > > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
>
> > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A
> Universal
> > > HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > > > The reality is few people travel
> to the US
> > > for the overpriced health care. In a few
> instances, where an
> > > experimental drug or treatment program is
> accepting patients
> > > and there is a patient with a condition
> traditional medicine
> > > can't
> > > > treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another reality is many Americans
> travel to
> > > Canada and Mexico to obtain care
> > > > that they cannot afford in the US including
>
> > > medications. In fact so many
> > > > Americans have overburdened the Canadian
> pharmacy
> > > system they are finding their
> > > > supply channels are running out of
> medications.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't suppose you ever heard of
> the major
> > > industry called medical tourism?
> > > > It is alive and well in places like Thailand
> and the
> > > Philippines; guess where
> > > > the majority of their patients come from? It
> seems the
> > > tens of thousands of
> > > > Americans that are willing to pay for travel
> costs
> > > plus medical expenses feel
> > > > they are getting quality care at a lower
> price in
> > > these countries. I wonder why
> > > > that is?
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of what you claim is simply urban
> legend,
> > > passed around the internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > > Naga City, Bicol
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com,
>
> > > "David" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since according to various post on
> this
> > > forum most of the world has
> > > > universal healthcare and it is the European
> gold
> > > Standard. I realized a
> > > > > > mystery is occurring. Why are
> people from
> > > around the world spending
> > > > thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of
> miles to
> > > America to use a broken
> > > > healthcare system? I don't see people
> traveling to
> > > Canada or the UK for medical
> > > > care. Why aren't Americas going to
> Europe for
> > > superior healthcare, in the
> > > > socialized system. Or why not just go to
> Cuba for
> > > great care. It seems very
> > > > strange people would travel to America to
> use or
> > > broken system. Maybe someone
> > > > here can answer this question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe because the US has the
> worlds best
> > > healthcare system a privately owned
> > > > and funded system. Not a government run
> system.Why the
> > > government has bankrupted
> > > > the Post Office, Social Security and
> Medicare. So what
> > > makes one of average
> > > > intelligence think the government can run
> Universal
> > > Healthcare. Much less run it
> > > > at projected cost or not increase the
> national debt.
> > > If you believe this I have
> > > > a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people
> continue to
> > > come to America to use our
> > > > broken system. Only people who want
> universal
> > > healthcare are those looking for a
> > > > government hand out,incapable of taking care
> of
> > > themselves. But he Nanny State
> > > > will help them. David
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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-------------- Original message from Ron Speers <ronspeers@...>: --------------

Roger, Skipping over your discussion with XM. Even though you got your operations without direct contact with an insurance clerk, Your doctors and hospital probably had to get some insurance officer's "go ahead" signal.  Ron Speers Balibago, Angeles City --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dicemeister@... <Dicemeister@...> wrote: From: Dicemeister@... <Dicemeister@...> Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ? To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:34 AM First of all, good going with your choice of examples.  As a matter of fact, a close family member of mine was just raped, so good going.  Second, show me where I said it does not exist.  I said that I have not experienced it in my lifetime so it is foreign (actually I used the work greek) to me.  I think that is a true and fair statement.  Do you want me to lie and say that I have seen it when I haven't?  Wow, are you really that good that you know what a person is implying better then them?  Or......are you the type of liberal that Steve refers to, that likes to take what everyone says and twist it just to have something negative to say about it?  Maybe you are so jaded that you think every statement a guy makes has an ulterior motive so you think you have be defensive.  Did you ever think I was just making a friendly statement of my experiences without saying that someone else is wrong?         -------------- Original message from Xavier Maldonado <xm65@...>: -------------- have you ever been raped, murdered? By your logic those things must not exist > as well.... > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Dicemeister@... wrote: > > > From: Dicemeister@... > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ? > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again Ron, I'm not trying to be argumentative > > but this has never been my experience.  I have > > always had employer-offered health insurance, either by > > Blue Cross/Blue Shield or United Healthcare.  I have > > been to many doctors and had several surgeries and I have > > never, ever had to deal with an insurance company > > clerk.  I just went to the doctor, was diagnosed, made > > an appointment for surgery and then went and had it > > done.  I presented my insurance card upon check in, and > > after the insurance company paid the hospital, I was > > billed for the balance.  Easy with no > > problems...ever.  All of this talk about having to deal > > with an insurance company clerk is greek to me because > > I have never experienced it.  In fact, I have never > > experienced any of the health care problems I hear about > > here...Roger > >   > > -------------- > > Original message from "Ron" > > : -------------- > > > > Aw Michel, Everybody knows an insurance company clerk is > > better at triage than a > > > government doctor! Ron Speers > > > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz > > wrote: > > > > > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system > > is that if a person is rich they can pay money to jump ahead > > of the poor bastards who have a health insurance company. > > Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation > > you get it without having to worry that someone at your > > insurance company doesn't think you > > > need it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Michel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jim > > > > > > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal > > HealthCare Mystery ? > > > > > > > > > The reality is few people travel to the US > > for the overpriced health care. In a few instances, where an > > experimental drug or treatment program is accepting patients > > and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine > > can't > > > treat, you will find them traveling. > > > > > > > > Another reality is many Americans travel to > > Canada and Mexico to obtain care > > > that they cannot afford in the US including > > medications. In fact so many > > > Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy > > system they are finding their > > > supply channels are running out of medications. > > > > > > > > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major > > industry called medical tourism? > > > It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the > > Philippines; guess where > > > the majority of their patients come from? It seems the > > tens of thousands of > > > Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs > > plus medical expenses feel > > > they are getting quality care at a lower price in > > these countries. I wonder why > > > that is? > > > > > > > > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, > > passed around the internet. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > Naga City, Bicol > > > > > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, > > "David" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Since according to various post on this > > forum most of the world has > > > universal healthcare and it is the European gold > > Standard. I realized a > > > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from > > around the world spending > > > thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to > > America to use a broken > > > healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to > > Canada or the UK for medical > > > care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for > > superior healthcare, in the > > > socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for > > great care. It seems very > > > strange people would travel to America to use or > > broken system. Maybe someone > > > here can answer this question. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best > > healthcare system a privately owned > > > and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the > > government has bankrupted > > > the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what > > makes one of average > > > intelligence think the government can run Universal > > Healthcare. Much less run it > > > at projected cost or not increase the national debt. > > If you believe this I have > > > a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to > > come to America to use our > > > broken system. Only people who want universal > > healthcare are those looking for a > > > government hand out,incapable of taking care of > > themselves. But he Nanny State > > > will help them. David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Looking for the perfect gift? 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Derived from "Caesar." In the U.S., it's a Filipino word meaning, "Where tita
works." Seriously, Kaiser Permanente is a very large HMO.

When I was a little boy my grandmother use to sing a song to the tune of "Jesus
Loves the Little Children":

Tramp tramp tramp the boys are marching,
See the Kaiser at the door,
If we only had a chance we would kick him in the pants,
And you'd never see the Kaiser anymore.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "vanessa" <vanessa_mcdijk@...> wrote:
>
>
> Kaiser is a German word which means 'emperor'.
>
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "stevezodiacus"
> <stevezodiacus@> wrote:
> >
> > Kaiser Permanente.
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Dicemeister@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I keep hearing references to Kasier. Who or what is Kasier?
> > >
> > > Roger
> > > -------------- Original message from "xavier maldonado" xm65@:
> --------------
> > >
> > > Ha ha ha... So true.... Kasier is a pinoy hospital, I could almost
> swear there was a lady selling addidas out front next to the fruit salad
> vendor, on sunset
> > > > the other night...
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > > >
> > > > ------Original Message------
> > > > From: bublhed
> > > > To:
> > > > Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 02:24 PM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > > I know for a fact people from the US travel to the philippines for
> health care. My youngest daughter and oldest son both did. As a matter
> of fact my youngest daughter will be going back to philippines to attend
> college - A radiological degree. She will graduate with no debt, which
> cant be done here by her. And, her degree there will xfer here with only
> a test she need take. If you cant
> > > > find a filipino nurse or doctor in any US hospital you just arent
> looking haha.
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Its a problem here too... The wonderful we have chosen to deal
> with that
> > > > issue is to simply leave vast numbers of our population without
> medical coverage
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > > > >
> > > > > ------Original Message------
> > > > > From: Michael Katz
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 04:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare
> Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Roger, I think that one problem is that there can be a shortage
> of doctors. If
> > > > that is the case, then no insurance can make you for that, and in
> Canada that is
> > > > the big problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: "Dicemeister@"
> > > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:49:42 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare
> Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You know guys, I have always had health insurance through work.
> Every time I
> > > > needed surgery, they just scheduled it and went ahead and did it
> in short order.
> > > > I never had to wait behind anyone and I can't think of hearing of
> anyone who
> > > > did. I hear all of this talk about jumping ahead of people and
> having to wait
> > > > in line. That has never been my experience. I have never seen that
> happen and
> > > > I have had several surgeries. Friends and family have too and we
> have never
> > > > seen any problems. I think that is just another urban legend
> unless maybe it is
> > > > different for indigent people. I can't speak for that...Roger
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------- Original message from Michael Katz :
> > > > --------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person
> is rich they
> > > > can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health
> insurance
> > > > company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an
> operation you get it
> > > > without having to worry that someone at your insurance company
> doesn't think you
> > > > need it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Michel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >From: Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > > > >Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery
> ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced
> health care. In
> > > > a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program
> is accepting
> > > > patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional
> medicine can't
> > > > treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico
> to obtain care
> > > > that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact
> so many
> > > > Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are
> finding their
> > > > supply channels are running out of medications.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called
> medical tourism?
> > > > It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines;
> guess where
> > > > the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of
> thousands of
> > > > Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical
> expenses feel
> > > > they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries
> I wonder why
> > > > that is?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around
> the internet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jim
> > > > > >Naga City, Bicol
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Since according to various post on this forum most of the
> world has
> > > > universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I
> realized a
> > > > > >> mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world
> spending
> > > > thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to
> use a broken
> > > > healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the
> UK for medical
> > > > care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare,
> in the
> > > > socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It
> seems very
> > > > strange people would travel to America to use or broken system.
> Maybe someone
> > > > here can answer this question.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a
> privately
> > > > owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the
> government has
> > > > bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what
> makes one of
> > > > average intelligence think the government can run Universal
> Healthcare. Much
> > > > less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt.
> If you believe
> > > > this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to
> come to America
> > > > to use our broken system. Only people who want universal
> healthcare are those
> > > > looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of
> themselves. But he
> > > > Nanny State will help them. David
> > > > > >>
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-------------- Original message from "vanessa" <vanessa_mcdijk@...>: --------------

Kaiser is a German word which means 'emperor'.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "stevezodiacus" <stevezodiacus@...> wrote:
>
> Kaiser Permanente.
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Dicemeister@ wrote:
> >
> > I keep hearing references to Kasier. Who or what is Kasier?
> >
> > Roger
> > -------------- Original message from "xavier maldonado" xm65@: --------------
> >
> > Ha ha ha... So true.... Kasier is a pinoy hospital, I could almost swear there was a lady selling addidas out front next to the fruit salad vendor, on sunset
> > > the other night...
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > >
> > > ------Original Message------
> > > From: bublhed
> > > To:
> > > Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 02:24 PM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > I know for a fact people from the US travel to the philippines for health care. My youngest daughter and oldest son both did. As a matter of fact my youngest daughter will be going back to philippines to attend college - A radiological degree. She will graduate with no debt, which cant be done here by her. And, her degree there will xfer here with only a test she need take. If you cant
> > > find a filipino nurse or doctor in any US hospital you just arent looking haha.
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Its a problem here too... The wonderful we have chosen to deal with that
> > > issue is to simply leave vast numbers of our population without medical coverage
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > > >
> > > > ------Original Message------
> > > > From: Michael Katz
> > > > To:
> > > > Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 04:53 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > > Roger, I think that one problem is that there can be a shortage of doctors. If
> > > that is the case, then no insurance can make you for that, and in Canada that is
> > > the big problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: "Dicemeister@"
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:49:42 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know guys, I have always had health insurance through work. Every time I
> > > needed surgery, they just scheduled it and went ahead and did it in short order.
> > > I never had to wait behind anyone and I can't think of hearing of anyone who
> > > did. I hear all of this talk about jumping ahead of people and having to wait
> > > in line. That has never been my experience. I have never seen that happen and
> > > I have had several surgeries. Friends and family have too and we have never
> > > seen any problems. I think that is just another urban legend unless maybe it is
> > > different for indigent people. I can't speak for that...Roger
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message from Michael Katz :
> > > --------------
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich they
> > > can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
> > > company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation you get it
> > > without having to worry that someone at your insurance company doesn't think you
> > > need it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >From: Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > > >Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care. In
> > > a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
> > > patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
> > > treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > > >
> > > > >Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain care
> > > that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
> > > Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
> > > supply channels are running out of medications.
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical tourism?
> > > It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess where
> > > the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands of
> > > Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
> > > they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries I wonder why
> > > that is?
> > > > >
> > > > >Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > > > >Naga City, Bicol
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
> > > universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > >> mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
> > > thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
> > > healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
> > > care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
> > > socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
> > > strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
> > > here can answer this question.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
> > > owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
> > > bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
> > > average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
> > > less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
> > > this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
> > > to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
> > > looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
> > > Nanny State will help them. David
> > > > >>
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-------------- Original message from "stevezodiacus" <stevezodiacus@...>: --------------


> Kaiser Permanente.
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Dicemeister@... wrote:
> >
> > I keep hearing references to Kasier. Who or what is Kasier?
> >
> > Roger > -------------- Original message from "xavier maldonado" :
> --------------
> > > Ha ha ha... So true.... Kasier is a pinoy hospital, I could almost swear there
> was a lady selling addidas out front next to the fruit salad vendor, on sunset
> > > the other night...
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > >
> > > ------Original Message------
> > > From: bublhed
> > > To:
> > > Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 02:24 PM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ? > > I know for a fact people from the US travel to the philippines for health care. My youngest daughter and oldest son both did. As a matter of fact my youngest daughter will be going back to philippines to attend college - A radiological degree. She will graduate with no debt, which cant be done here by
> her. And, her degree there will xfer here with only a test she need take. If you
> cant
> > > find a filipino nurse or doctor in any US hospital you just arent looking
> haha.
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Its a problem here too... The wonderful we have chosen to deal with that
> > > issue is to simply leave vast numbers of our population without medical
> coverage
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > > >
> > > > ------Original Message------
> > > > From: Michael Katz
> > > > To:
> > > > Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 04:53 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > > Roger, I think that one problem is that there can be a shortage of
> doctors. If
> > > that is the case, then no insurance can make you for that, and in Canada
> that is
> > > the big problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: "Dicemeister@"
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:49:42 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know guys, I have always had health insurance through work. Every time
> I
> > > needed surgery, they just scheduled it and went ahead and did it in short
> order.
> > > I never had to wait behind anyone and I can't think of hearing of anyone who
> > > did. I hear all of this talk about jumping ahead of people and having to
> wait
> > > in line. That has never been my experience. I have never seen that happen
> and
> > > I have had several surgeries. Friends and family have too and we have never
> > > seen any problems. I think that is just another urban legend unless maybe it
> is
> > > different for indigent people. I can't speak for that...Roger
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message from Michael Katz :
> > > --------------
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich
> they
> > > can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
> > > company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation you get
> it
> > > without having to worry that someone at your insurance company doesn't think
> you
> > > need it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >From: Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > > >Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health
> care. In
> > > a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is
> accepting
> > > patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
> > > treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > > >
> > > > >Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain
> care
> > > that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
> > > Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding
> their
> > > supply channels are running out of medications.
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical
> tourism?
> > > It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess
> where
> > > the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands of
> > > Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses
> feel
> > > they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries I wonder
> why
> > > that is?
> > > > >
> > > > >Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the
> internet.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > > > >Naga City, Bicol
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
> > > universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > >> mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
> > > thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a
> broken
> > > healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for
> medical
> > > care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
> > > socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
> > > strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe
> someone
> > > here can answer this question.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
> > > owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
> > > bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one
> of
> > > average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
> > > less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you
> believe
> > > this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to
> America
> > > to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are
> those
> > > looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves.
> But he
> > > Nanny State will help them. David
> > > > >>
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-------------- Original message from Xavier Maldonado <xm65@...>: --------------

have you ever been raped, murdered? By your logic those things must not exist
> as well....
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Dicemeister@... wrote:
>
> > From: Dicemeister@...
> > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:12 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > But again Ron, I'm not trying to be argumentative
> > but this has never been my experience.  I have
> > always had employer-offered health insurance, either by
> > Blue Cross/Blue Shield or United Healthcare.  I have
> > been to many doctors and had several surgeries and I have
> > never, ever had to deal with an insurance company
> > clerk.  I just went to the doctor, was diagnosed, made
> > an appointment for surgery and then went and had it
> > done.  I presented my insurance card upon check in, and
> > after the insurance company paid the hospital, I was
> > billed for the balance.  Easy with no
> > problems...ever.  All of this talk about having to deal
> > with an insurance company clerk is greek to me because
> > I have never experienced it.  In fact, I have never
> > experienced any of the health care problems I hear about
> > here...Roger
> >  
> > --------------
> > Original message from "Ron"
> > : --------------
> >
> > Aw Michel, Everybody knows an insurance company clerk is
> > better at triage than a
> > > government doctor! Ron Speers
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz
> > wrote:
> > > > > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system
> > is that if a person is rich they can pay money to jump ahead
> > of the poor bastards who have a health insurance company.
> > Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation
> > you get it without having to worry that someone at your
> > insurance company doesn't think you
> > > need it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Jim
> > > >
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal
> > HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > > > The reality is few people travel to the US
> > for the overpriced health care. In a few instances, where an
> > experimental drug or treatment program is accepting patients
> > and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine
> > can't
> > > treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > >
> > > > Another reality is many Americans travel to
> > Canada and Mexico to obtain care
> > > that they cannot afford in the US including
> > medications. In fact so many
> > > Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy
> > system they are finding their
> > > supply channels are running out of medications.
> > > >
> > > > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major
> > industry called medical tourism?
> > > It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the
> > Philippines; guess where
> > > the majority of their patients come from? It seems the
> > tens of thousands of
> > > Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs
> > plus medical expenses feel
> > > they are getting quality care at a lower price in
> > these countries. I wonder why
> > > that is?
> > > >
> > > > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend,
> > passed around the internet.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > Naga City, Bicol
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com,
> > "David" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Since according to various post on this
> > forum most of the world has
> > > universal healthcare and it is the European gold
> > Standard. I realized a
> > > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from
> > around the world spending
> > > thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to
> > America to use a broken
> > > healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to
> > Canada or the UK for medical
> > > care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for
> > superior healthcare, in the
> > > socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for
> > great care. It seems very
> > > strange people would travel to America to use or
> > broken system. Maybe someone
> > > here can answer this question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best
> > healthcare system a privately owned
> > > and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the
> > government has bankrupted
> > > the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what
> > makes one of average
> > > intelligence think the government can run Universal
> > Healthcare. Much less run it
> > > at projected cost or not increase the national debt.
> > If you believe this I have
> > > a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to
> > come to America to use our
> > > broken system. Only people who want universal
> > healthcare are those looking for a
> > > government hand out,incapable of taking care of
> > themselves. But he Nanny State
> > > will help them. David
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Kaiser is a German word which means 'emperor'.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "stevezodiacus" <stevezodiacus@...> wrote:
>
> Kaiser Permanente.
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Dicemeister@ wrote:
> >
> > I keep hearing references to Kasier. Who or what is Kasier?
> >
> > Roger
> > -------------- Original message from "xavier maldonado" xm65@: --------------
> >
> > Ha ha ha... So true.... Kasier is a pinoy hospital, I could almost swear there was a lady selling addidas out front next to the fruit salad vendor, on sunset
> > > the other night...
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > >
> > > ------Original Message------
> > > From: bublhed
> > > To:
> > > Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 02:24 PM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > I know for a fact people from the US travel to the philippines for health care. My youngest daughter and oldest son both did. As a matter of fact my youngest daughter will be going back to philippines to attend college - A radiological degree. She will graduate with no debt, which cant be done here by her. And, her degree there will xfer here with only a test she need take. If you cant
> > > find a filipino nurse or doctor in any US hospital you just arent looking haha.
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Its a problem here too... The wonderful we have chosen to deal with that
> > > issue is to simply leave vast numbers of our population without medical coverage
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > > >
> > > > ------Original Message------
> > > > From: Michael Katz
> > > > To:
> > > > Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 04:53 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > > Roger, I think that one problem is that there can be a shortage of doctors. If
> > > that is the case, then no insurance can make you for that, and in Canada that is
> > > the big problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: "Dicemeister@"
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:49:42 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know guys, I have always had health insurance through work. Every time I
> > > needed surgery, they just scheduled it and went ahead and did it in short order.
> > > I never had to wait behind anyone and I can't think of hearing of anyone who
> > > did. I hear all of this talk about jumping ahead of people and having to wait
> > > in line. That has never been my experience. I have never seen that happen and
> > > I have had several surgeries. Friends and family have too and we have never
> > > seen any problems. I think that is just another urban legend unless maybe it is
> > > different for indigent people. I can't speak for that...Roger
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message from Michael Katz :
> > > --------------
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich they
> > > can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
> > > company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation you get it
> > > without having to worry that someone at your insurance company doesn't think you
> > > need it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >From: Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > > >Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care. In
> > > a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
> > > patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
> > > treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > > >
> > > > >Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain care
> > > that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
> > > Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
> > > supply channels are running out of medications.
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical tourism?
> > > It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess where
> > > the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands of
> > > Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
> > > they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries I wonder why
> > > that is?
> > > > >
> > > > >Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > > > >Naga City, Bicol
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
> > > universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > >> mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
> > > thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
> > > healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
> > > care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
> > > socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
> > > strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
> > > here can answer this question.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
> > > owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
> > > bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
> > > average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
> > > less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
> > > this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
> > > to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
> > > looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
> > > Nanny State will help them. David
> > > > >>
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Kaiser Permanente.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Dicemeister@... wrote:
>
> I keep hearing references to Kasier.  Who or what is Kasier?
>
> Roger
> -------------- Original message from "xavier maldonado" <xm65@...>:
--------------
>
> Ha ha ha... So true.... Kasier is a pinoy hospital, I could almost swear there
was a lady selling addidas out front next to the fruit salad vendor, on sunset
> > the other night...
> >
> > ----------
> > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: bublhed
> > To:
> > Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 02:24 PM
> > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > I know for a fact people from the US travel to the philippines for health
care. My youngest daughter and oldest son both did. As a matter of fact my
youngest daughter will be going back to philippines to attend college - A
radiological degree. She will graduate with no debt, which cant be done here by
her. And, her degree there will xfer here with only a test she need take. If you
cant
> > find a filipino nurse or doctor in any US hospital you just arent looking
haha.
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" wrote:
> > >
> > > Its a problem here too... The wonderful we have chosen to deal with that
> > issue is to simply leave vast numbers of our population without medical
coverage
> > ...
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > >
> > > ------Original Message------
> > > From: Michael Katz
> > > To:
> > > Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 04:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > >
> > > Roger, I think that one problem is that there can be a shortage of
doctors. If
> > that is the case, then no insurance can make you for that, and in Canada
that is
> > the big problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "Dicemeister@"
> > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:49:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > >
> > >
> > > You know guys, I have always had health insurance through work. Every time
I
> > needed surgery, they just scheduled it and went ahead and did it in short
order.
> > I never had to wait behind anyone and I can't think of hearing of anyone who
> > did. I hear all of this talk about jumping ahead of people and having to
wait
> > in line. That has never been my experience. I have never seen that happen
and
> > I have had several surgeries. Friends and family have too and we have never
> > seen any problems. I think that is just another urban legend unless maybe it
is
> > different for indigent people. I can't speak for that...Roger
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message from Michael Katz :
> > --------------
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich
they
> > can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
> > company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation you get
it
> > without having to worry that someone at your insurance company doesn't think
you
> > need it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >From: Jim
> > > >
> > > >To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > >Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health
care. In
> > a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is
accepting
> > patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
> > treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > >
> > > >Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain
care
> > that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
> > Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding
their
> > supply channels are running out of medications.
> > > >
> > > >I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical
tourism?
> > It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess
where
> > the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands of
> > Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses
feel
> > they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries I wonder
why
> > that is?
> > > >
> > > >Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the
internet.
> > > >
> > > >Jim
> > > >Naga City, Bicol
> > > >
> > > >--- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
> > universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > >> mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
> > thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a
broken
> > healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for
medical
> > care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
> > socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
> > strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe
someone
> > here can answer this question.
> > > >>
> > > >> Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
> > owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
> > bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one
of
> > average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
> > less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you
believe
> > this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to
America
> > to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are
those
> > looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves.
But he
> > Nanny State will help them. David
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-------------- Original message from "xavier maldonado" <xm65@...>: --------------

Ha ha ha... So true.... Kasier is a pinoy hospital, I could almost swear there was a lady selling addidas out front next to the fruit salad vendor, on sunset
> the other night...
>
> ----------
> Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: bublhed
> To:
> Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 02:24 PM
> Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> I know for a fact people from the US travel to the philippines for health care. My youngest daughter and oldest son both did. As a matter of fact my youngest daughter will be going back to philippines to attend college - A radiological degree. She will graduate with no debt, which cant be done here by her. And, her degree there will xfer here with only a test she need take. If you cant
> find a filipino nurse or doctor in any US hospital you just arent looking haha.
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" wrote:
> >
> > Its a problem here too... The wonderful we have chosen to deal with that
> issue is to simply leave vast numbers of our population without medical coverage
> ...
> >
> > ----------
> > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Michael Katz
> > To:
> > Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 04:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> >
> > Roger, I think that one problem is that there can be a shortage of doctors. If
> that is the case, then no insurance can make you for that, and in Canada that is
> the big problem.
> >
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "Dicemeister@..."
> > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:49:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> >
> >
> > You know guys, I have always had health insurance through work. Every time I
> needed surgery, they just scheduled it and went ahead and did it in short order.
> I never had to wait behind anyone and I can't think of hearing of anyone who
> did. I hear all of this talk about jumping ahead of people and having to wait
> in line. That has never been my experience. I have never seen that happen and
> I have had several surgeries. Friends and family have too and we have never
> seen any problems. I think that is just another urban legend unless maybe it is
> different for indigent people. I can't speak for that...Roger
> >
> > -------------- Original message from Michael Katz :
> --------------
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich they
> can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
> company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation you get it
> without having to worry that someone at your insurance company doesn't think you
> need it.
> > >
> > >
> > >Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >From: Jim
> > >
> > >To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > >Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > >
> > >
> > >The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care. In
> a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
> patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
> treat, you will find them traveling.
> > >
> > >Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain care
> that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
> Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
> supply channels are running out of medications.
> > >
> > >I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical tourism?
> It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess where
> the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands of
> Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
> they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries I wonder why
> that is?
> > >
> > >Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >Naga City, Bicol
> > >
> > >--- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
> universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > >> mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
> thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
> healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
> care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
> socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
> strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
> here can answer this question.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
> owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
> bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
> average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
> less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
> this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
> to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
> looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
> Nanny State will help them. David
> > >>
> > >
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I don't think the implication was that anyone can get it but that it is a
government run program just like the VA and Medicare and not everyone can get
them either without meeting specific requirements.

The point of the response was to a comment by David, who uses Tricare, that
people should take care of themselves and not look for something from the
government.

Jim
Naga City, Bicol

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "pieremine" <pieremine@...> wrote:
>
> I have paid for my TriCare for over 20 years.  lets not call it a "government
program" as if anyone could get it.
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ronspeers@> wrote:
> >
> > I will answer for him. It was Tricare, just about as government controlled
as you can get. Ron Speers
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Xavier Maldonado <xm65@> wrote:
> > >
> > > When you were in the states, what sort of medical did you have?
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, David <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: David <gasturbine2500@>
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:22 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No you can take care of yourselves, but a free ride is what you want. Let
the government take care of those who can't or won't take care of themselves.
Just about personnel responsibility. I like to make my own medical decisions,not
have a government idiot make them for me. David
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes David,
> > > >
> > > > You just gave away our terrible secret. We in Canada love our communist
health system because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cordially yours,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: David <gasturbine2500@ ...>
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 7:35:50 PM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
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I have paid for my TriCare for over 20 years.  lets not call it a "government
program" as if anyone could get it.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ronspeers@...> wrote:
>
> I will answer for him. It was Tricare, just about as government controlled as
you can get. Ron Speers
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Xavier Maldonado <xm65@> wrote:
> >
> > When you were in the states, what sort of medical did you have?
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, David <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: David <gasturbine2500@>
> > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:22 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No you can take care of yourselves, but a free ride is what you want. Let
the government take care of those who can't or won't take care of themselves.
Just about personnel responsibility. I like to make my own medical decisions,not
have a government idiot make them for me. David
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes David,
> > >
> > > You just gave away our terrible secret. We in Canada love our communist
health system because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cordially yours,
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: David <gasturbine2500@ ...>
> > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 7:35:50 PM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > >
> > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> > >
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-------------- Original message from "HMCRET" <hmcret@...>: --------------

I can not find one thing I would consider a public necessity since eminent Domain was used in the 1950's to obtain land for the interstate highway syatem.
> Urban renewal is the biggest scam in real estate
>
> Rick
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Dicemeister@... wrote:
> >
> > Rick,
> > > To me, it is a last resort. That said, I am for it, but only if it is absolutely necessary for a public necessity. I am totally against the arbitrary use of it, such as the City of New London, CT taking private land and turning it over to a developer under the guise of urban renewal. Whenever I had to negotiate with a property owner and they told me, why bother because we would just take their land anyway, I always told them that although we do have the power of condemnation, that is the furthest thing from my mind. It is my goal to negotiate a win/win settlement that will make them whole and that they can feel good about. I always went the extra mile to try to make it right with
> them. No body wins in a condemnation suit except for the attorneys. It is an
> awsome power that shoud never be taken lightly. You are dealing with real
> people, many of who are being put through a traumatic experience. If you win
> their trust, you have the opportunity take away some of their fears. THat is
> always a good feeling. I have seen many agencies (even some of my clients) who
> have the attitude, "Let's just condemn it and be over with it. It will save
> time". I always remind them that not only do the land owners have
> constitutional rights but their agency/company has to deal with these people in
> the long run and if they have any pride in their organization, they would want
> to be seen as fair and reasonable. A true professional, in my field, owes a
> fiduciary relationship to his client but he also is bound by law and
> professional ethics/standards to deal with a property owner in a fair, honest
> and professional manner. I often have to remind my clients of that...Roger
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "HMCRET" : --------------
> >
> >
> > > Roger,
> > > Answers it very well indeed, but it brings another question to mind. Eminent
> > > Domain, are you for it or against it.
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
>
>
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Anyone know if/where I can buy a good American Hot Dog?  Ballpark Franks?

Michael, Doug even went to Hawaii looking for government medical care. But he
DID pay his own way to Hawaii. LOL

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@...> wrote:
>
> Arnie, why can't you pay your own way instead of crying here that the US
government wont jump to attention fast ernough when you show up at some veteran
facility?
>
>
> ROFL!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Douglas Arnold <darnoldcndc@...>
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 4:40:31 AM
> Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
>
>
> Rick
>
> And you are here to tell us how much more we should burden the future children
of America in order to bail out we, the current self absorbed adult crop of
losers; right? May I ask, what right do we have to put this burden on them?
Better yet, why can't we pay our own way?
>
> Doug Arnold
> Living in Davao
> 0-918-570-1025
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "HMCRET" <hmcret@> wrote:
> >
> >   Actually most economists say the amount of money in the stimulus
> > package should be much higher.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just to expand, Obama is not doing anything that is not standard
economics. Here in Canada we are also going into deficit budgeting to restart
the economy. The big difference is that until the economy took a downturn we had
a government that had balanced the budget instead of stimulating housing prices
with deficits.
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@ >
> > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 10:27:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > >
> > >
> > > So now you can forecast the economy ... funny how the Republicans under
Clinton also 'forecast' an economic downturn when early in his administration he
raised taxes to balance the budget.
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@yahoo. com>
> > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 9:13:29 AM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > >
> > >
> > > Let's put it this way: all Obama has done is buy a few basis points in the
GDP. When a particular spigot runs dry, there is no remaining effect from it.
> > >
> > > For instance, once cash for clunkers ended, car sales have gone back down.
Another for instance, that first time homebuyer's $8k tax credit is expiring and
home sales volume is already heading back down again. These examples show that
governments cannot count on buying continuous prosperity, that they need to
think about the types of programs, regulations and tax incentives that would
show a more lasting effect.
> > >
> > > There will be no real recovery without new private sector jobs because
consumers are still the biggest portion of the US economy. If they're busy
deleveraging and otherwise cutting their spending because they are afraid for
their own jobs or they have already lost them, the economy will remain anemic at
best. When the truth of this sinks in, when it is seen that all the government
has done is prop up banks and real estate, the markets and the economy will be
headed back down again next year.
> > >
> > > New jobs come from businesses small and large risking their capital to put
people on their payrolls. But Obama is no friend of business unless it's about
his banker buddies on Wall Street such as Bernanke, Geithner and others.
Businesses have received no certainty from the Administration or Congress
regarding executive compensation issues, including possible clawbacks; they have
received no certainty regarding their out-of-pocket costs to support health care
reform; they are now afraid to accept handouts and loans from the government
because of the conditions that are often attached to them; they are afraid of
being demonized and taxed harder for the sin of earning a great rate of return.
In this chilly environment, it is not difficult to understand why the typical
business owners and executives do not want to stick their necks out and take
risks.
> > >
> > > It is all well and good to consider the typical income transfer programs
and job creation programs (heck, I even support some of them!), but one has to
remember that *all* government programs require a tax base to pay for them. In
the case of the US, that tax base needs to be very wide in order to pay for
Obama's wish list. Instead the tax base has continued to erode under Obama's
leadership. If government policies don't help to expand the tax base, then
sooner or later the increase in government spending will strip it down to the
point it can not support the government as well as it has in the past. Does
Obama understand this? That remains to be seen.
> > >
> > > Government can only do so much on its own and then the powder is going to
run dry. What will happen when the Chinese decide they can afford to lessen
their participation in the Treasury markets? That day is not that far off. I'll
leave it to your imaginations what will happen when our spenders in DC (both
Democrats and Republicans) find out they no longer have access to blank
checks...
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So you don't believe that Obama returning the country to growth is a
good thing? Arnie has already been on record as opposing it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@ >
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 1:06:26 AM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you speak of narrow-mindedness, you ought to look in the mirror.
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "DavidB" <dajobann@ .> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike:
> > > > >
> > > > > "LOL, can someone with more patience with slow learners than me
explain economic cycles 101 to Arnie?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > It would no good to explain anything to Arnie using facts or logic. He
is immune to both approaches.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has been almost three centuries since Alexander Pope wrote words
that fit him to a t.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Narrow minded people are like narrow necked bottles.  The less they
have in them, the more noise they make coming out."
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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-------------- Original message from "HMCRET" <hmcret@...>: --------------

I can not find one thing I would consider a public necessity since eminent Domain was used in the 1950's to obtain land for the interstate highway syatem.
> Urban renewal is the biggest scam in real estate
>
> Rick
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Dicemeister@... wrote:
> >
> > Rick,
> > > To me, it is a last resort. That said, I am for it, but only if it is absolutely necessary for a public necessity. I am totally against the arbitrary use of it, such as the City of New London, CT taking private land and turning it over to a developer under the guise of urban renewal. Whenever I had to negotiate with a property owner and they told me, why bother because we would just take their land anyway, I always told them that although we do have the power of condemnation, that is the furthest thing from my mind. It is my goal to negotiate a win/win settlement that will make them whole and that they can feel good about. I always went the extra mile to try to make it right with
> them. No body wins in a condemnation suit except for the attorneys. It is an
> awsome power that shoud never be taken lightly. You are dealing with real
> people, many of who are being put through a traumatic experience. If you win
> their trust, you have the opportunity take away some of their fears. THat is
> always a good feeling. I have seen many agencies (even some of my clients) who
> have the attitude, "Let's just condemn it and be over with it. It will save
> time". I always remind them that not only do the land owners have
> constitutional rights but their agency/company has to deal with these people in
> the long run and if they have any pride in their organization, they would want
> to be seen as fair and reasonable. A true professional, in my field, owes a
> fiduciary relationship to his client but he also is bound by law and
> professional ethics/standards to deal with a property owner in a fair, honest
> and professional manner. I often have to remind my clients of that...Roger
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "HMCRET" : --------------
> >
> >
> > > Roger,
> > > Answers it very well indeed, but it brings another question to mind. Eminent
> > > Domain, are you for it or against it.
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
>
>
>
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I was referring to the content of the post. It was incoherent, illogical and
jumped from one unrelated statement to another.

Although I don't agree with your far right vendetta against Obama, at least your
points are more concise and relevant to the point you are trying to make, even
though misguided. lol

Jim
Naga City, Bicol

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@...> wrote:
>
> Jim
>
> How is your comment "total loss" any different from you on going tear against
David saying, if he did rather than you just inferring it, that he said you are
an idiot? lol
>
> David's comment, if said, was derogatory but yours is what; enlightening? lol
>
> Come on Jim, man up and explain apparent contradiction to us "lesser" peoples
here.
>
> Doug Arnold
> living in davao
> 0-918-570-1025
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@> wrote:
> >
> > What a total loss!! Some people can't see their hand in front of their face
because of their preconceived ideas drummed into their head by the
propagandists. Others know propaganda when they see it and think for themselves.
> >
> > Even your attempt at logic in this post is illogical. lol
> >
> > Jim
> > Naga City, Bicol
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Going to Canada for cheaper drugs is not the same as going for a triple
bypass operation. Urban legend is a total bullshit explanation. I understand
medical tourism and I also understand the Mayor of Cebu went to Texas for
bladder cancer care. Why he did not use the Philippine facilities that 1000's of
Americans flock to is another mystery. Canadas system works well because of a
small military budget makes no sense and has no bearing on the USA. You do get
care in Canada if you wait inline and the government decides it is necessary if
not oh well. A British MP outlined the flaws of the British system on the news
and people from Canada have also been interviewed,on timely care in Canada. When
your place in line comes you get care 18 months for prostrate cancer care in
Canada.
> > >
> > > Of course you get quality at lower prices in Thailand and Philippines that
is a no brainer. Cost of living is less DUH!. And yes Thailand and Philippines
are providing PRIVATE CARE, REPEAT PRIVATE CARE. Not Universal health care as
proposed by the US Congress. You pay up front for private care. Obviously some
confuse private care with government funded care. Otherwise they would not have
compared foreign private care to government universal care. You can't compare
apples to oranges Jim. David
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "richardalesna" <richardalesna@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Canada's health care system works well for Canada as it does not have a
huge military budget.  The health care reform bill passed by the House of
Representatives is scary as it will push the US towards unprecedented debt.  I
don't believe it is in the best interest of the United States to pass universal
health care as it does not have the money to pay for it.  True, it does not have
the money to fight the war on terror, but the additional expense from the health
care reform will bankrupt the country.   And I don't see the US under Obama
scaling down its military budget as it is in the American character to be the
policeman of the world.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is
rich they can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health
insurance company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation
you get it without having to worry that someone at your insurance company
doesn't think you need it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Jim <jim.y_forums@>
> > > > >
> > > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health
care. In a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is
accepting patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine
can't treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to
obtain care that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so
many Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding
their supply channels are running out of medications.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical
tourism? It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess
where the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands
of Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries. I wonder why
that is?
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the
internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > > Naga City, Bicol
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a
privately owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the
government has bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what
makes one of average intelligence think the government can run Universal
Healthcare. Much less run it at projected cost or not increase the national
debt. If you believe this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people
continue to come to America to use our broken system. Only people who want
universal healthcare are those looking for a government hand out,incapable of
taking care of themselves. But he Nanny State will help them. David
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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who would want to be the front man for israel right now? America is mired in
recession, struggling to figure out how to pay for healthcare for Americans yet
we provide free healthcare and free education thru University for all israelis.
Many of the American taxpayers that are seeing their money sent to israel cannot
afford healthcare or college for their own family! These are the facts and you
can confirm them at WRMEA.com and a good book you might want to read if this
outrage interests you is  "The Israeli Lobby" by mears and somebody. The book
details how isarel keeps a tight rein on our representatives to make sure that
your taxmoney continues to flow towards israel. If you don't like it? there is
nothing you can do but complain like i do. AIPAC has set, match and
game............lol

The post number is wrong. See my post 72130.

Jim
Naga City, Bicol

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@...> wrote:
>
> Jim
>
> In post number 7198 I addressed your concerns about my use of Boy and Man
Child. I even invited you to respond; which you chose not to do so I will post
my remarks again:
>
> Man up (like I have done) and support you opinion Jim or shut up!!!!!!
>
> "Jim
>
> I just checked the Urban Dictionary and sure enough, nothing even remotely
suggests use of the term Man Child refers to anything other than a man's
behavior; absolutely zero references to race.
>
> Two entry samples:
>
> # 1 Man Child
> a grown man who is very immature, therefore considered a man child.
>
> # 4 Man Child
> A Man Child is a fully-grown male that acts like a baby. A Man Child usually
whines, complains, and thinks everything is unfair. Man Children in the
workplace can be recognized as one who is always complaining about the rules
and/or shows too much emotion
>
> Now let's deal with my frequent use of the term boy when referring to the One.
>
> Again I checked the first fifty listing in the Urban Dictionary and guess
what; only three entries address a racial connotation to the term boy.
>
> As it might apply to anyone non black or not mixed, from the past, we have we
have this. Note how even this listing says it is used today by black to black.
>
> # 5 Boy
> Notably racist remark made of black men not long ago in the US, as if they
were less than men. Sometimes used today by blacks referring to other blacks
however, in a similar way that nigga is.
> ''My boy Careem ain't gonna go out like dat''
>
> You can tell from my many post I damn use wasn't using it in this manner.
Note, again more black to black use of the term.
>
> # 20 Boy
> slang for friend, buddy, nigga
> you know dat nigga?
> yea dats ma boy
> wut you up to later?
> chillin wit my boy
>
> And lastly on the race angle we have this entry:
>
> # 50 Boy
> What white men used to call niggers.
> Boy, you ain't never gonna be nuthin' but a no-good nigger.
>
> Here is what I mean when I refer to our president as a boy.
>
> # 10 Boy
> 1.A young male who lacks maturity, judgment, and anything that has to do with
> common sense.
> 2.A sperm donor
> 3.A heartbreaker
>
> # 26 Boy
> A male that is immature and does stupid shit thinking that he's being funny,
smooth, cool, sly or sneaky when he's just making an ass out of himself.
> Usually, the boy is the only one that doesn't realize that he's a complete
dumbass.
>
> JIM "Am I to assume you went all the way down definition the list and decided
to apply definition number 50 to my use of the term boy even with my clearly non
racial and numerous man child comments? Why would you do this Jim? What is
inside you that causes you to make just a nasty jump in logic? Why couldn't you
have assumed, more logically, the following: Man Child = Boy?
>
> Let be very clear with you; I don't care if Obama were green. My views and
opinions of him have to do with his misguided ideology and policies as
president. You hear his bad mouthing our country and or former president and say
"right on." I hear it and see immaturity, lack of class and (graciously said I
hope) a terrible misunderstanding of we the people and of this country's
> greatness."
>
> Now I ask you again Jim, do you care to respond are continue to hide behind
your personal racist views? Stop tying me in with David, you have your hands
full here.
>
> PS: Did everyone notice Jim didn't deny initiating our email correspondence or
that after he had sent his side of the debate, blocking any reply from me; like
I said, pure chicken shit behavior.
>
> Doug Arnold
> Living in Davao
> 0-918-570-1025
>
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@> wrote:
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > I just checked the Urban Dictionary and sure enough, nothing even remotely
suggests use of the term Man Child refers to anything other than a man's
behavior; absolutely zero references to race.
> >
> > Two entry samples:
> >
> > # 1 Man Child
> > a grown man who is very immature, therefore considered a man child.
> >
> >  # 4 Man Child
> > A Man Child is a fully-grown male that acts like a baby. A Man Child usually
whines, complains, and thinks everything is unfair. Man Children in the
workplace can be recognized as one who is always complaining about the rules
and/or shows too much emotion
> >
> > Now let's deal with my frequent use of the term boy when referring to the
One. Again I checked the first fifty listing in the Urban Dictionary and guess
what; only three entries address a racial connotation to the term boy.
> >
> > As it might apply to anyone non black or not mixed, from the past, we have
we have this. Note how even this listing says it is used today by black to
black.
> >
> > # 5 Boy
> > Notably racist remark made of black men not long ago in the US, as if they
were less than men. Sometimes used today by blacks referring to other blacks
however, in a similar way that nigga is.
> > ''My boy Careem ain't gonna go out like dat''
> >
> > You can tell from my many post I damn use wasn't using it in this manner.
Note, again more black to black use of the term.
> >
> > # 20 Boy
> > slang for friend, buddy, nigga
> > you know dat nigga?
> > yea dats ma boy
> > wut you up to later?
> > chillin wit my boy
> >
> > And lastly on the race angle we have this entry:
> >
> > # 50 Boy
> > What white men used to call niggers.
> > Boy, you ain't never gonna be nuthin' but a no-good nigger.
> >
> > Here is what I mean when I refer to our president as a boy.
> >
> > # 10 Boy
> > 1.A young male who lacks maturity, judgment, and anything that has to do
with common sense.
> > 2.A sperm donor
> > 3.A heartbreaker
> >
> > # 26 Boy
> > A male that is immature and does stupid shit thinking that he's being funny,
smooth, cool, sly or sneaky when he's just making an ass out of himself.
Usually, the boy is the only one that doesn't realize that he's a complete
dumbass.
> >
> > Am I to assume you went all the way down definition the list and decided to
apply definition number 50 to my use of the term boy even with my clearly non
racial and numerous man child comments? Why would you do this Jim?  What is
inside you that causes you to make just a nasty jump in logic? Why couldn't you
have assumed, more logically, the following: Man Child = Boy?
> >
> > Let be very clear with you; I don't care if Obama were green. My views and
opinions of him have to do with his misguided ideology and policies as
president.  You hear his bad mouthing our country and or former president and
say "right on."  I hear it and see immaturity, lack of class and (graciously
said I hope) a terrible misunderstanding of we the people and of this country's
greatness.
> >
> > Please save your race cards for playing among others that share your views.
> >
> > PS: I will admit that just as with my use of the term One, I knew some of
you would jump to the wrong conclusions and squeal like stuck pigs under a fence
because . . . well you are the real racist; the ones that see color in
everything not to your way of thinking, now aren't you. lol
> >
> > Doug Arnold
> > Living in Davao
> > 0-918-570-1025
> >
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael, He's a hopeless case. He has a lot of issues with Blacks, "what
your Boy promised", and anything non Bush. No matter what they do they have to
be wrong.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > Naga City, Bicol
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > You voted for 10% unemployment; why? That wasn't what your Boy promised
when he proposed signed the "bork program"; now was it?
> > > >
> > > > When will just one of you cool aide drinker admit he missed lead you and
the rest of the country or just maybe, he and his teams don't know what they are
doing?
> > > >
> > > > Care to quantify for me and the other readers here what "jobs saved"
really means, long term? More money next year; what?
> > > >
> > > > Doug Arnold
> > > > Living in Davao
> > > > 0-918-570-1025
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Arnie, so now Obama was supposed to give CIT more money while you
scream against government handouts ... LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > So far the results that Obama has achieved are far better than has
been expected so I will give just have to accept that they really do know what
they are doing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Douglas Arnold <darnoldcndc@>
> > > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 12:35:05 AM
> > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: bad News for Hysterical Doom and Gloom
Forecasters
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > The money wasn't "lost" until Obama and the Feds folded their hand and
refused to play a little longer waiting for a better economy draw. Damn man, are
you really this dense? ROF
> > > > >
> > > > > But hey, they might be telling us all something about the future since
they are bailing out of the game.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Financeroll. com - CIT Group Inc, a lender to hundreds of thousands
of small and medium-sized businesses, filed for bankruptcy on Sunday, as the
global financial crisis left it unable to fund itself and the recession
clobbered its loans.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bankruptcy, one of the largest in U.S. corporate history, has been
widely expected for months and is unlikely to provide a massive near-term shock
to the financial system. But CIT's trouble could further weigh on the fragile
U.S. economy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bankruptcy is also a blow for the U.S. government, which invested
$2.33 billion in CIT in December through the Troubled Asset Relief Program and
will likely lose most of it.
> > > > >
> > > > > CIT Group is pretty much a household name in the small business world.
Ask any of them why CIT is so important and this is what you'll hear:
> > > > >
> > > > > "They provide all of our working capital," says Bond Isaacson, CEO of
BlueTarp Financial.
> > > > >
> > > > > "In other words, CIT is where a lot of small and mid-sized businesses
get the money they need to cut pay checks, pay the bills and buy supplies to
make their products."
> > > > >
> > > > > “"CIT is the lender to about 950,000 small businesses," says
Isaacson. "That is a large chunk of people who are all out in the market right
now - because of the uncertainty with CIT- all out in the market looking for
alternative lending sources."”
> > > > >
> > > > > Unless the Obama administration is still expecting some really bad
economic developments, why did they fold their hand given the following:
> > > > >
> > > > > “As you may have read in a recent post published CIT group have
listed $71 billion in assets and $64.9 billion in liabilities in a Chapter 11
petition yesterday at a U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan. This group is not to
be confused with Citigroup.”
> > > > > Doesn’t seem CIT was short that much money, why not play the hand a
little longer and provide them backstop financing of their paper?
> > > > >
> > > > > As for you being able to help me with the facts, perhaps you should
Goggle “Obama Transition Team financial news” and see who was really calling
most of the shots after late November, 2008. The CIT bailout was on December 31
just before the inauguration, not the earlier November CITI bailout, and was all
Obama’s. By this late date the Bush administration wasn’t allowing any
bailouts without the pre-approval of the Obama transition team.  lol
> > > > >
> > > > > Obama and far too many of you supporters are forgetting the
unparalleled cooperation between the out going Bush administration and the
incoming Obama administration and therefore the running start they had.  He and
his team's hands are all over this failed recovery effort anyway you wish to cut
it. I guess it serves CIT right for not having a large and supportive union
membership. Keep trying . . . .
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: On a related point, didn’t I just post about wonder boy Timothy
at the Feds wanting the banks to lend more to small businesses; to take more
risk? Sure I did, but he isn't in that game (yet)is he? Hehehehe I wonder, how
does he think folding this hand, by allowing CIT to go under, will help small
business?
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug Arnold
> > > > > Living in Davao
> > > > > 0-918-570-1025
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arnie, the money handed over (and lost) to CIT was under Bush.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Glad that I can help you get your facts straight!  LOL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > > > From: Douglas Arnold <darnoldcndc@ ...>
> > > > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 5:42:17 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: bad News for Hysterical Doom and Gloom
Forecasters
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I didn't forecast nor express expectations re: Ford's chances on
profitability. I am pleased that they are in business without a government
bailout (unlike Government Motors and Chrysler)even if the one time Cash Clunker
program helped them achieve this wonderful result during this last quarter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also in the news and noted was the fact that Obama's friends at the
American UAW (union) refused to grant Ford the same labor concessions given the
other two thereby insuring Ford can't be as competitive as all other US based
auto manufactures in the future; thankfully their Canadian brothers in the UAW
had better sense. I guess Ford will just have to shut more plants in the US.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why didn't you note CIT's bankruptcy and our (taxpaper's) 2.3
billion loss? A year on now and you seem to want to credit Obama for the good
news at Ford so does Obama get any credit for this failure or should we keep
blaming that evil Bush? After all, CIT's bankruptcy didn't have to happen as the
Feds could have continued pouring even more borrowed money in. So do we credit
the One with folding this hand and taking the loss rather than finishing the
hand he was dealt? HE is the One we hearing running around saying his actions
have helped "stabilized" the banking industry, correct? Given the record 100
plus bank failures so far this year, maybe someone should tell HIM the "Mission
isn't Accomplished. " lol
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doug Arnold
> > > > > > Living in Davao
> > > > > > 0-918-570-1025
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "Mike" <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ford has beaten Arnie's expectations and posted a 1$ billion
profit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://247wallst. com/2009/ 11/02/a-little- miracle-at- ford-f/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While there is a long way to go and economic recovery is a slow
process, the Obama plans is showing signs of working a lot better than the Bush
plan to balance the budget by invading Iraq.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Xavier

Absolutely not, they should be kept alive so they can pay even more. Break them,
bleed them all, steal their money and nationalize their companies and our jobs,
they not our own greed, stole our future. Put their children into real debit and
government control, along with the rest of us, that will even things out (and
support the current government expenditures for at least a week) and it will fix
the mess our current Congress, under the leadership of the ONE is causing us;
right?

Listen to a pure socialist like Xavier because he and his ilk are our only
salvation. With luck and under the leadership from the ONE, we can end up like
the former Soviet Union. :)

You tell them Xavier,

Doug Arnold
Living in Davao
0-918-570-1025

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Xavier Maldonado <xm65@...> wrote:
>
> You must be refering to the folks like Cheney, who have lined thier pockets at
the peoples expense...  He and those like him should be charged with crimes and
put to death.
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Douglas Arnold <darnoldcndc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Douglas Arnold <darnoldcndc@...>
> Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 1:40 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Rick
>
> And you are here to tell us how much more we should burden the future children
of America in order to bail out we, the current self absorbed adult crop of
losers; right? May I ask, what right do we have to put this burden on them?
Better yet, why can't we pay our own way?
>
> Doug Arnold
> Living in Davao
> 0-918-570-1025
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "HMCRET" <hmcret@> wrote:
> >
> > Actually most economists say the amount of money in the stimulus
> > package should be much higher.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just to expand, Obama is not doing anything that is not standard
economics. Here in Canada we are also going into deficit budgeting to restart
the economy. The big difference is that until the economy took a downturn we had
a government that had balanced the budget instead of stimulating housing prices
with deficits.
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@ >
> > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 10:27:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > >
> > >
> > > So now you can forecast the economy ... funny how the Republicans under
Clinton also 'forecast' an economic downturn when early in his administration he
raised taxes to balance the budget.
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@yahoo. com>
> > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 9:13:29 AM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > >
> > >
> > > Let's put it this way: all Obama has done is buy a few basis points in the
GDP. When a particular spigot runs dry, there is no remaining effect from it.
> > >
> > > For instance, once cash for clunkers ended, car sales have gone back down.
Another for instance, that first time homebuyer's $8k tax credit is expiring and
home sales volume is already heading back down again. These examples show that
governments cannot count on buying continuous prosperity, that they need to
think about the types of programs, regulations and tax incentives that would
show a more lasting effect.
> > >
> > > There will be no real recovery without new private sector jobs because
consumers are still the biggest portion of the US economy. If they're busy
deleveraging and otherwise cutting their spending because they are afraid for
their own jobs or they have already lost them, the economy will remain anemic at
best. When the truth of this sinks in, when it is seen that all the government
has done is prop up banks and real estate, the markets and the economy will be
headed back down again next year.
> > >
> > > New jobs come from businesses small and large risking their capital to put
people on their payrolls. But Obama is no friend of business unless it's about
his banker buddies on Wall Street such as Bernanke, Geithner and others.
Businesses have received no certainty from the Administration or Congress
regarding executive compensation issues, including possible clawbacks; they have
received no certainty regarding their out-of-pocket costs to support health care
reform; they are now afraid to accept handouts and loans from the government
because of the conditions that are often attached to them; they are afraid of
being demonized and taxed harder for the sin of earning a great rate of return.
In this chilly environment, it is not difficult to understand why the typical
business owners and executives do not want to stick their necks out and take
risks.
> > >
> > > It is all well and good to consider the typical income transfer programs
and job creation programs (heck, I even support some of them!), but one has to
remember that *all* government programs require a tax base to pay for them. In
the case of the US, that tax base needs to be very wide in order to pay for
Obama's wish list. Instead the tax base has continued to erode under Obama's
leadership. If government policies don't help to expand the tax base, then
sooner or later the increase in government spending will strip it down to the
point it can not support the government as well as it has in the past. Does
Obama understand this? That remains to be seen.
> > >
> > > Government can only do so much on its own and then the powder is going to
run dry. What will happen when the Chinese decide they can afford to lessen
their participation in the Treasury markets? That day is not that far off. I'll
leave it to your imaginations what will happen when our spenders in DC (both
Democrats and Republicans) find out they no longer have access to blank
checks...
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So you don't believe that Obama returning the country to growth is a
good thing? Arnie has already been on record as opposing it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@ >
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 1:06:26 AM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you speak of narrow-mindedness, you ought to look in the mirror.
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "DavidB" <dajobann@ .> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike:
> > > > >
> > > > > "LOL, can someone with more patience with slow learners than me
explain economic cycles 101 to Arnie?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > It would no good to explain anything to Arnie using facts or logic. He
is immune to both approaches.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has been almost three centuries since Alexander Pope wrote words
that fit him to a t.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Narrow minded people are like narrow necked bottles. The less they
have in them, the more noise they make coming out."
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > >
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>

I'm talking about the national debt increasing from 30% to 50% of GDP if America
gets itself involved universal care.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@...> wrote:
>
> Richard, since the GDP is $14.29 trillion (2008 est.)
>
> http://flagcounter.com/factbook/us
>
>
> The 20% GDP increase is 2.858 trillion; that sounds wrong.
>
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: richardalesna <richardalesna@...>
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 9:59:03 AM
> Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
>
>
> The current US national debt is about 30% of its GDP.  If health care reform
is passed, there are projections of it going to 50%.  If the US did not have
such a huge military budget, it could afford universal care.
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Going to Canada for cheaper drugs is not the same as going for a triple
bypass operation. Urban legend is a total bullshit explanation. I understand
medical tourism and I also understand the Mayor of Cebu went to Texas for
bladder cancer care. Why he did not use the Philippine facilities that 1000's of
Americans flock to is another mystery. Canadas system works well because of a
small military budget makes no sense and has no bearing on the USA. You do get
care in Canada if you wait inline and the government decides it is necessary if
not oh well. A British MP outlined the flaws of the British system on the news
and people from Canada have also been interviewed, on timely care in Canada.
When your place in line comes you get care 18 months for prostrate cancer care
in Canada.
> >
> > Of course you get quality at lower prices in Thailand and Philippines that
is a no brainer. Cost of living is less DUH!. And yes Thailand and Philippines
are providing PRIVATE CARE, REPEAT PRIVATE CARE. Not Universal health care as
proposed by the US Congress. You pay up front for private care. Obviously some
confuse private care with government funded care. Otherwise they would not have
compared foreign private care to government universal care. You can't compare
apples to oranges Jim. David
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "richardalesna" <richardalesna@ >
wrote:
> > >
> > > Canada's health care system works well for Canada as it does not have a
huge military budget.  The health care reform bill passed by the House of
Representatives is scary as it will push the US towards unprecedented debt.  I
don't believe it is in the best interest of the United States to pass universal
health care as it does not have the money to pay for it.  True, it does not have
the money to fight the war on terror, but the additional expense from the health
care reform will bankrupt the country.   And I don't see the US under Obama
scaling down its military budget as it is in the American character to be the
policeman of the world.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich
they can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health
insurance company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation
you get it without having to worry that someone at your insurance company
doesn't think you need it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Jim <jim.y_forums@ >
> > > >
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health
care. In a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is
accepting patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine
can't treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > >
> > > > Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain
care that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
supply channels are running out of medications.
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> > > > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical
tourism? It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess
where the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands
of Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries. I wonder why
that is?
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> > > > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the
internet.
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> > > > Jim
> > > > Naga City, Bicol
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...>
wrote:
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> > > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
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> > > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
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