Does anyone notice I provide support for most of my comments, not just mouth off
my opinions like many here; including Jim Boy? lol

If anyone, including my real racist co-poster Jim, can show that others have
identified their sources more than me, I will be happy to shut up. :)

And by the way Jim, how many different subject threads have you begun on any of
these sites? For the one or two you began, care to total the number of response
posts? I did some research and gave up after the past two years; not even close.

In short you like many others here are just cheap shot two are three line
response artist; nothing more, nothing less.

All here are waiting for you to prove that I am a racist.

Doug Arnold
Living in Davao
0-918-570-1025

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@...> wrote:
>
> Well it seems it is very hard for you to understand. But I will try once
again.
>
> When you make comments like boy and man child over and over it is very
apparent to me they are racist in nature when one considers how often they are
used and in what context. You may not be aware of your racist tendencies, maybe
because you have convinced yourself that you are not.
>
> But they are very clear to me. I was married to a black for 37 years and
during much of that time it was illegal for us to be married in many states but
the military decided we should live there. I learned, over those years, the many
ways people are racist and the things they say and do. I saw it in the military
and in the civilian community. I saw it in different races and I saw how subtle
actions were taken to discriminate. In addition I was trained in race relations
and in how to recognize racist behavior.
>
> Simply because you don't think you are racist doesn't make it so; your actions
and or comments are what tell the real story.
>
> So you can continue to try to justify your actions by finding a dictionary
definition that may suit you or, in your mind, justifies why your actions are
not racist but I don't really care as I know, from long experience, what is
going on.
>
> Why do you think I should allow constant barrages of email to come to my
private email box? The issue was you wanted to debate why I rejected one of your
many racist comments. I simply told you to remove the comment and resubmit the
extremest views. However, instead you wanted to debate the issue and it was not
a debate. So I blocked your email.
>
> The same pretty much goes for your friend David. He tried to post an urban
legend stating that the house bill on health care would destroy Tricare and
Medicare. The rant, which has been rolling around the internet for months,
stated that on four pages and it listed the pages, the bill eliminated or
reduced these programs. But like most of these it failed to either quote the
actual paragraphs or provide a link to the pages. I simply asked that he provide
the link so people could see for themselves. His response to me was Idiot, if
you are to stupid to search the internet it's not my problem or something close
to that. So I still refused to allow the post.
>
> Later he tried to post it again with a comment he had emailed the poster who
had told him the information was true. Since he failed to include the referenced
email response I again rejected it asking him to include the response from the
original poster and again we went around about my lack of intelligence. Later I
found there was no email and he had made it up, presumably thinking I would let
it through. But I know him well enough that I suspected there was no email in
the first place.
>
> At that point I decided to take five minutes and look up the referenced house
bill. When I looked at the four specific pages that the urban legend stated
destroyed Tricare and Medicare I found instead that the first two references
actually stated that nothing in the bill would impact or cause any changes in
either program. The third reference actually added a wavier for Tricare
beneficiaries that failed to enroll in Medicare by their 65th birthday where
they could enroll up to a year late and the penalty would be wavered. The last
reference directed DoD to make sure people affected by the new waiver were made
aware of it.
>
> There are any number of other examples as well but I don't want to drag it out
on this forum.
>
> Does this give you some idea why I don't care to receive email from David?
>
> By the way, speaking of manning up. You demanded that someone show you when
there was ever an unemployment rate greater than, I believe 9.8%, even making
personal attacks on individuals. I did show you but you then became silent.
>
> You are free to think I am chicken shit. However I will not bore the group
with my opinion of you.
>
> Jim
> Naga City, Bicol
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@> wrote:
> >
> > David
> >
> > I don't mean to tie up with you on this idiot comment that Jim seems fixated
on. My comment here is more about Jim than anything to do with the fight between
you two gentlemen.
> >
> > Let me point out to all here that in my limited experience with Jim, when he
is asked to put up, he invariably runs and hides under comments like "you called
me an idiot", against him and obviously an untruth or "he has an issue with
blacks", against me and obviously and equally untrue.
> >
> > Jim has posted in the past that he is a 20+ year military retiree and for
that I owe him a certain degree of respect. That said, in my humble opinion,
based solely on his posts, attempts to restrict mine on another site and, his
past private diatribe emails to me with the last email ending with the comment
he had blocked any reply email, Jim is a small man (chicken shit in my view) and
to me his written posts prove it. Maybe he is different in real life and so my
comments here are only aimed at his utterances here and elsewhere on these
Philippine sites.
> >
> > Now Jim before you get too upset, I will be happy to offer an apology just
as soon as you support your scurrilous racist allegations against me. Come Jim,
man up, if you can.
> >
> > PS: And yes Jim, on this and any other site, I will stay on your ass until
you stand up and prove your racist comment about me because I, like many others
here and in other countries, really do tire of you on the Left always hiding
behind this racial canard.
> >
> > Doug Arnold
> > Living in Davao
> > 0-918-570-1025
> >
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah, your favorite word again "idiot". So now you say you opted out of
Tricare. You must have since Tricare is a government run system of health care
and you constantly complain about how bad it is because they have rules you are
to follow. Good to see you practice what you preach. lol
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > Naga City, Bicol
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No you can take care of yourselves, but a free ride is what you want.
Let the government take care of those who can't or won't take care of
themselves. Just about personnel responsibility. I like to make my own medical
decisions,not have a government idiot make them for me. David
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes David,
> > > > >
> > > > > You just gave away our terrible secret. We in Canada love our
communist health system because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cordially yours,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: David <gasturbine2500@>
> > > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 7:35:50 PM
> > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >      
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>

Ha ha ha...  So true.... Kasier is a pinoy hospital, I could almost swear there
was a lady selling addidas out front next to the fruit salad vendor, on sunset
the other night...

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------Original Message------
From: bublhed <exbublhed@...>
To: <cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 02:24 PM
Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?

I know for a fact people from the US travel to the philippines for health care. 
My youngest daughter and oldest son both did.  As a matter of fact my youngest
daughter will be going back to philippines to attend college - A radiological
degree. She will graduate with no debt, which cant be done here by her.  And,
her degree there will xfer here with only a test she need take.  If you cant
find a filipino nurse or doctor in any US hospital you just arent looking haha.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" <xm65@...> wrote:
>
> Its a problem here too...  The wonderful we have chosen to deal with that
issue is to simply leave vast numbers of our population without medical coverage
...
>
> ----------
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>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@...>
> To: <cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 04:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
>
> Roger, I think that one problem is that there can be a shortage of doctors. If
that is the case, then no insurance can make you for that, and in Canada that is
the big problem.
>
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Dicemeister@..." <Dicemeister@...>
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:49:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
>
>
> You know guys, I have always had health insurance through work.  Every time I
needed surgery, they just scheduled it and went ahead and did it in short order.
I never had to wait behind anyone and I can't think of hearing of anyone who
did.  I hear all of this talk about jumping ahead of people and having to wait
in line.  That has never been my experience.  I have never seen that happen and
I have had several surgeries.  Friends and family have too and we have never
seen any problems.  I think that is just another urban legend unless maybe it is
different for indigent people.  I can't speak for that...Roger
>
> -------------- Original message from Michael Katz <katzmichel@...>:
--------------
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich they
can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation you get it
without having to worry that someone at your insurance company doesn't think you
need it.
> >
> >
> >Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Jim <jim.y_forums@...>
> >
> >To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> >Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> >
> >
> >The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care. In
a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
treat, you will find them traveling.
> >
> >Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain care
that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
supply channels are running out of medications.
> >
> >I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical tourism?
It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess where
the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands of
Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries I wonder why
that is?
> >
> >Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> >
> >Jim
> >Naga City, Bicol
> >
> >--- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> >> mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> >>
> >> Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> >>
> >
> >
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Jim

In post number 7198 I addressed your concerns about my use of Boy and Man Child.
I even invited you to respond; which you chose not to do so I will post my
remarks again:

Man up (like I have done) and support you opinion Jim or shut up!!!!!!

"Jim

I just checked the Urban Dictionary and sure enough, nothing even remotely
suggests use of the term Man Child refers to anything other than a man's
behavior; absolutely zero references to race.

Two entry samples:

# 1 Man Child
a grown man who is very immature, therefore considered a man child.

# 4 Man Child
A Man Child is a fully-grown male that acts like a baby. A Man Child usually
whines, complains, and thinks everything is unfair. Man Children in the
workplace can be recognized as one who is always complaining about the rules
and/or shows too much emotion

Now let's deal with my frequent use of the term boy when referring to the One.

Again I checked the first fifty listing in the Urban Dictionary and guess what;
only three entries address a racial connotation to the term boy.

As it might apply to anyone non black or not mixed, from the past, we have we
have this. Note how even this listing says it is used today by black to black.

# 5 Boy
Notably racist remark made of black men not long ago in the US, as if they were
less than men. Sometimes used today by blacks referring to other blacks however,
in a similar way that nigga is.
''My boy Careem ain't gonna go out like dat''

You can tell from my many post I damn use wasn't using it in this manner. Note,
again more black to black use of the term.

# 20 Boy
slang for friend, buddy, nigga
you know dat nigga?
yea dats ma boy
wut you up to later?
chillin wit my boy

And lastly on the race angle we have this entry:

# 50 Boy
What white men used to call niggers.
Boy, you ain't never gonna be nuthin' but a no-good nigger.

Here is what I mean when I refer to our president as a boy.

# 10 Boy
1.A young male who lacks maturity, judgment, and anything that has to do with
common sense.
2.A sperm donor
3.A heartbreaker

# 26 Boy
A male that is immature and does stupid shit thinking that he's being funny,
smooth, cool, sly or sneaky when he's just making an ass out of himself.
Usually, the boy is the only one that doesn't realize that he's a complete
dumbass.

JIM "Am I to assume you went all the way down definition the list and decided to
apply definition number 50 to my use of the term boy even with my clearly non
racial and numerous man child comments? Why would you do this Jim? What is
inside you that causes you to make just a nasty jump in logic? Why couldn't you
have assumed, more logically, the following: Man Child = Boy?

Let be very clear with you; I don't care if Obama were green. My views and
opinions of him have to do with his misguided ideology and policies as
president. You hear his bad mouthing our country and or former president and say
"right on." I hear it and see immaturity, lack of class and (graciously said I
hope) a terrible misunderstanding of we the people and of this country's
greatness."

Now I ask you again Jim, do you care to respond are continue to hide behind your
personal racist views? Stop tying me in with David, you have your hands full
here.

PS: Did everyone notice Jim didn't deny initiating our email correspondence or
that after he had sent his side of the debate, blocking any reply from me; like
I said, pure chicken shit behavior.

Doug Arnold
Living in Davao
0-918-570-1025


--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@...> wrote:
>
> Jim
>
> I just checked the Urban Dictionary and sure enough, nothing even remotely
suggests use of the term Man Child refers to anything other than a man's
behavior; absolutely zero references to race.
>
> Two entry samples:
>
> # 1 Man Child
> a grown man who is very immature, therefore considered a man child.
>
>  # 4 Man Child
> A Man Child is a fully-grown male that acts like a baby. A Man Child usually
whines, complains, and thinks everything is unfair. Man Children in the
workplace can be recognized as one who is always complaining about the rules
and/or shows too much emotion
>
> Now let's deal with my frequent use of the term boy when referring to the One.
Again I checked the first fifty listing in the Urban Dictionary and guess what;
only three entries address a racial connotation to the term boy.
>
> As it might apply to anyone non black or not mixed, from the past, we have we
have this. Note how even this listing says it is used today by black to black.
>
> # 5 Boy
> Notably racist remark made of black men not long ago in the US, as if they
were less than men. Sometimes used today by blacks referring to other blacks
however, in a similar way that nigga is.
> ''My boy Careem ain't gonna go out like dat''
>
> You can tell from my many post I damn use wasn't using it in this manner.
Note, again more black to black use of the term.
>
> # 20 Boy
> slang for friend, buddy, nigga
> you know dat nigga?
> yea dats ma boy
> wut you up to later?
> chillin wit my boy
>
> And lastly on the race angle we have this entry:
>
> # 50 Boy
> What white men used to call niggers.
> Boy, you ain't never gonna be nuthin' but a no-good nigger.
>
> Here is what I mean when I refer to our president as a boy.
>
> # 10 Boy
> 1.A young male who lacks maturity, judgment, and anything that has to do with
common sense.
> 2.A sperm donor
> 3.A heartbreaker
>
> # 26 Boy
> A male that is immature and does stupid shit thinking that he's being funny,
smooth, cool, sly or sneaky when he's just making an ass out of himself.
Usually, the boy is the only one that doesn't realize that he's a complete
dumbass.
>
> Am I to assume you went all the way down definition the list and decided to
apply definition number 50 to my use of the term boy even with my clearly non
racial and numerous man child comments? Why would you do this Jim?  What is
inside you that causes you to make just a nasty jump in logic? Why couldn't you
have assumed, more logically, the following: Man Child = Boy?
>
> Let be very clear with you; I don't care if Obama were green. My views and
opinions of him have to do with his misguided ideology and policies as
president.  You hear his bad mouthing our country and or former president and
say "right on."  I hear it and see immaturity, lack of class and (graciously
said I hope) a terrible misunderstanding of we the people and of this country's
greatness.
>
> Please save your race cards for playing among others that share your views.
>
> PS: I will admit that just as with my use of the term One, I knew some of you
would jump to the wrong conclusions and squeal like stuck pigs under a fence
because . . . well you are the real racist; the ones that see color in
everything not to your way of thinking, now aren't you. lol
>
> Doug Arnold
> Living in Davao
> 0-918-570-1025
>
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@> wrote:
> >
> > Michael, He's a hopeless case. He has a lot of issues with Blacks, "what
your Boy promised", and anything non Bush. No matter what they do they have to
be wrong.
> >
> > Jim
> > Naga City, Bicol
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > You voted for 10% unemployment; why? That wasn't what your Boy promised
when he proposed signed the "bork program"; now was it?
> > >
> > > When will just one of you cool aide drinker admit he missed lead you and
the rest of the country or just maybe, he and his teams don't know what they are
doing?
> > >
> > > Care to quantify for me and the other readers here what "jobs saved"
really means, long term? More money next year; what?
> > >
> > > Doug Arnold
> > > Living in Davao
> > > 0-918-570-1025
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Arnie, so now Obama was supposed to give CIT more money while you scream
against government handouts ... LOL
> > > >
> > > > So far the results that Obama has achieved are far better than has been
expected so I will give just have to accept that they really do know what they
are doing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Douglas Arnold <darnoldcndc@>
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 12:35:05 AM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: bad News for Hysterical Doom and Gloom
Forecasters
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > The money wasn't "lost" until Obama and the Feds folded their hand and
refused to play a little longer waiting for a better economy draw. Damn man, are
you really this dense? ROF
> > > >
> > > > But hey, they might be telling us all something about the future since
they are bailing out of the game.
> > > >
> > > > "Financeroll. com - CIT Group Inc, a lender to hundreds of thousands of
small and medium-sized businesses, filed for bankruptcy on Sunday, as the global
financial crisis left it unable to fund itself and the recession clobbered its
loans.
> > > >
> > > > The bankruptcy, one of the largest in U.S. corporate history, has been
widely expected for months and is unlikely to provide a massive near-term shock
to the financial system. But CIT's trouble could further weigh on the fragile
U.S. economy.
> > > >
> > > > The bankruptcy is also a blow for the U.S. government, which invested
$2.33 billion in CIT in December through the Troubled Asset Relief Program and
will likely lose most of it.
> > > >
> > > > CIT Group is pretty much a household name in the small business world.
Ask any of them why CIT is so important and this is what you'll hear:
> > > >
> > > > "They provide all of our working capital," says Bond Isaacson, CEO of
BlueTarp Financial.
> > > >
> > > > "In other words, CIT is where a lot of small and mid-sized businesses
get the money they need to cut pay checks, pay the bills and buy supplies to
make their products."
> > > >
> > > > “"CIT is the lender to about 950,000 small businesses," says Isaacson.
"That is a large chunk of people who are all out in the market right now -
because of the uncertainty with CIT- all out in the market looking for
alternative lending sources."”
> > > >
> > > > Unless the Obama administration is still expecting some really bad
economic developments, why did they fold their hand given the following:
> > > >
> > > > “As you may have read in a recent post published CIT group have listed
$71 billion in assets and $64.9 billion in liabilities in a Chapter 11 petition
yesterday at a U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan. This group is not to be
confused with Citigroup.”
> > > > Doesn’t seem CIT was short that much money, why not play the hand a
little longer and provide them backstop financing of their paper?
> > > >
> > > > As for you being able to help me with the facts, perhaps you should
Goggle “Obama Transition Team financial news” and see who was really calling
most of the shots after late November, 2008. The CIT bailout was on December 31
just before the inauguration, not the earlier November CITI bailout, and was all
Obama’s. By this late date the Bush administration wasn’t allowing any
bailouts without the pre-approval of the Obama transition team.  lol
> > > >
> > > > Obama and far too many of you supporters are forgetting the unparalleled
cooperation between the out going Bush administration and the incoming Obama
administration and therefore the running start they had.  He and his team's
hands are all over this failed recovery effort anyway you wish to cut it. I
guess it serves CIT right for not having a large and supportive union
membership. Keep trying . . . .
> > > >
> > > > PS: On a related point, didn’t I just post about wonder boy Timothy at
the Feds wanting the banks to lend more to small businesses; to take more risk?
Sure I did, but he isn't in that game (yet)is he? Hehehehe I wonder, how does he
think folding this hand, by allowing CIT to go under, will help small business?
> > > >
> > > > Doug Arnold
> > > > Living in Davao
> > > > 0-918-570-1025
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Arnie, the money handed over (and lost) to CIT was under Bush.
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad that I can help you get your facts straight!  LOL
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > > From: Douglas Arnold <darnoldcndc@ ...>
> > > > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 5:42:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: bad News for Hysterical Doom and Gloom
Forecasters
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't forecast nor express expectations re: Ford's chances on
profitability. I am pleased that they are in business without a government
bailout (unlike Government Motors and Chrysler)even if the one time Cash Clunker
program helped them achieve this wonderful result during this last quarter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also in the news and noted was the fact that Obama's friends at the
American UAW (union) refused to grant Ford the same labor concessions given the
other two thereby insuring Ford can't be as competitive as all other US based
auto manufactures in the future; thankfully their Canadian brothers in the UAW
had better sense. I guess Ford will just have to shut more plants in the US.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why didn't you note CIT's bankruptcy and our (taxpaper's) 2.3 billion
loss? A year on now and you seem to want to credit Obama for the good news at
Ford so does Obama get any credit for this failure or should we keep blaming
that evil Bush? After all, CIT's bankruptcy didn't have to happen as the Feds
could have continued pouring even more borrowed money in. So do we credit the
One with folding this hand and taking the loss rather than finishing the hand he
was dealt? HE is the One we hearing running around saying his actions have
helped "stabilized" the banking industry, correct? Given the record 100 plus
bank failures so far this year, maybe someone should tell HIM the "Mission isn't
Accomplished. " lol
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug Arnold
> > > > > Living in Davao
> > > > > 0-918-570-1025
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "Mike" <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ford has beaten Arnie's expectations and posted a 1$ billion profit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://247wallst. com/2009/ 11/02/a-little- miracle-at- ford-f/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While there is a long way to go and economic recovery is a slow
process, the Obama plans is showing signs of working a lot better than the Bush
plan to balance the budget by invading Iraq.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michel
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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message # 72078

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "lawrence5662000" <lawrence5662000@...> wrote:
> > You may not have all your facts covered, but one thing Michael can,t deny is that without the US tax dollar, we would have an Arab country in the place of Israel.
> >
> my facts are correct and I pointed that out in a post the other day. I think the moderator deleted it as it made reference to wether or not katz was loyal to usa or to israle. most jewish people put isarel before their host country making them unreliable citizens. anyway if you want to check my facts go to WRMEA.COM you will also find there how much each of our reps takes in bribes from AIPAC (isarel lobby).............thanks larry
>

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The current US national debt is about 30% of its GDP.  If health care reform is
passed, there are projections of it going to 50%.  If the US did not have such a
huge military budget, it could afford universal care.


--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@...> wrote:
>
> Going to Canada for cheaper drugs is not the same as going for a triple bypass
operation. Urban legend is a total bullshit explanation. I understand medical
tourism and I also understand the Mayor of Cebu went to Texas for bladder cancer
care. Why he did not use the Philippine facilities that 1000's of Americans
flock to is another mystery. Canadas system works well because of a small
military budget makes no sense and has no bearing on the USA. You do get care in
Canada if you wait inline and the government decides it is necessary if not oh
well. A British MP outlined the flaws of the British system on the news and
people from Canada have also been interviewed,on timely care in Canada. When
your place in line comes you get care 18 months for prostrate cancer care in
Canada.
>
> Of course you get quality at lower prices in Thailand and Philippines that is
a no brainer. Cost of living is less DUH!. And yes Thailand and Philippines are
providing PRIVATE CARE, REPEAT PRIVATE CARE. Not Universal health care as
proposed by the US Congress. You pay up front for private care. Obviously some
confuse private care with government funded care. Otherwise they would not have
compared foreign private care to government universal care. You can't compare
apples to oranges Jim. David
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "richardalesna" <richardalesna@> wrote:
> >
> > Canada's health care system works well for Canada as it does not have a huge
military budget.  The health care reform bill passed by the House of
Representatives is scary as it will push the US towards unprecedented debt.  I
don't believe it is in the best interest of the United States to pass universal
health care as it does not have the money to pay for it.  True, it does not have
the money to fight the war on terror, but the additional expense from the health
care reform will bankrupt the country.   And I don't see the US under Obama
scaling down its military budget as it is in the American character to be the
policeman of the world.
> >
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich
they can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health
insurance company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation
you get it without having to worry that someone at your insurance company
doesn't think you need it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jim <jim.y_forums@>
> > >
> > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > >
> > >
> > > The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care.
In a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
treat, you will find them traveling.
> > >
> > > Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain
care that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
supply channels are running out of medications.
> > >
> > > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical
tourism? It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess
where the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands
of Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries. I wonder why
that is?
> > >
> > > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > Naga City, Bicol
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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I know for a fact people from the US travel to the philippines for health care. 
My youngest daughter and oldest son both did.  As a matter of fact my youngest
daughter will be going back to philippines to attend college - A radiological
degree. She will graduate with no debt, which cant be done here by her.  And,
her degree there will xfer here with only a test she need take.  If you cant
find a filipino nurse or doctor in any US hospital you just arent looking haha.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" <xm65@...> wrote:
>
> Its a problem here too...  The wonderful we have chosen to deal with that
issue is to simply leave vast numbers of our population without medical coverage
...
>
> ----------
> Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@...>
> To: <cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 04:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
>
> Roger, I think that one problem is that there can be a shortage of doctors. If
that is the case, then no insurance can make you for that, and in Canada that is
the big problem.
>
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Dicemeister@..." <Dicemeister@...>
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:49:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
>
>
> You know guys, I have always had health insurance through work.  Every time I
needed surgery, they just scheduled it and went ahead and did it in short order.
I never had to wait behind anyone and I can't think of hearing of anyone who
did.  I hear all of this talk about jumping ahead of people and having to wait
in line.  That has never been my experience.  I have never seen that happen and
I have had several surgeries.  Friends and family have too and we have never
seen any problems.  I think that is just another urban legend unless maybe it is
different for indigent people.  I can't speak for that...Roger
>
> -------------- Original message from Michael Katz <katzmichel@...>:
--------------
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich they
can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation you get it
without having to worry that someone at your insurance company doesn't think you
need it.
> >
> >
> >Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Jim <jim.y_forums@...>
> >
> >To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> >Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> >
> >
> >The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care. In
a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
treat, you will find them traveling.
> >
> >Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain care
that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
supply channels are running out of medications.
> >
> >I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical tourism?
It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess where
the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands of
Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries I wonder why
that is?
> >
> >Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> >
> >Jim
> >Naga City, Bicol
> >
> >--- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> >> mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> >>
> >> Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> >>
> >
> >
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--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "georgy181" <ken.norman@...> wrote:
>
> Larry,
>
>  You may not have all your facts covered, but one thing Michael can,t deny is
that without the US tax dollar, we would have an Arab country in the place of
Israel.
>
my facts are correct and I pointed that out in a post the other day. I think the
moderator deleted it as it made reference to wether or not katz was loyal to usa
or to israle. most jewish people put isarel before their host country making
them unreliable citizens.  anyway if you want to check my facts go to  WRMEA.COM
you will also find there how much each of our reps takes in bribes from AIPAC
(isarel lobby).............thanks larry

Well it seems it is very hard for you to understand. But I will try once again.

When you make comments like boy and man child over and over it is very apparent
to me they are racist in nature when one considers how often they are used and
in what context. You may not be aware of your racist tendencies, maybe because
you have convinced yourself that you are not.

But they are very clear to me. I was married to a black for 37 years and during
much of that time it was illegal for us to be married in many states but the
military decided we should live there. I learned, over those years, the many
ways people are racist and the things they say and do. I saw it in the military
and in the civilian community. I saw it in different races and I saw how subtle
actions were taken to discriminate. In addition I was trained in race relations
and in how to recognize racist behavior.

Simply because you don't think you are racist doesn't make it so; your actions
and or comments are what tell the real story.

So you can continue to try to justify your actions by finding a dictionary
definition that may suit you or, in your mind, justifies why your actions are
not racist but I don't really care as I know, from long experience, what is
going on.

Why do you think I should allow constant barrages of email to come to my private
email box? The issue was you wanted to debate why I rejected one of your many
racist comments. I simply told you to remove the comment and resubmit the
extremest views. However, instead you wanted to debate the issue and it was not
a debate. So I blocked your email.

The same pretty much goes for your friend David. He tried to post an urban
legend stating that the house bill on health care would destroy Tricare and
Medicare. The rant, which has been rolling around the internet for months,
stated that on four pages and it listed the pages, the bill eliminated or
reduced these programs. But like most of these it failed to either quote the
actual paragraphs or provide a link to the pages. I simply asked that he provide
the link so people could see for themselves. His response to me was Idiot, if
you are to stupid to search the internet it's not my problem or something close
to that. So I still refused to allow the post.

Later he tried to post it again with a comment he had emailed the poster who had
told him the information was true. Since he failed to include the referenced
email response I again rejected it asking him to include the response from the
original poster and again we went around about my lack of intelligence. Later I
found there was no email and he had made it up, presumably thinking I would let
it through. But I know him well enough that I suspected there was no email in
the first place.

At that point I decided to take five minutes and look up the referenced house
bill. When I looked at the four specific pages that the urban legend stated
destroyed Tricare and Medicare I found instead that the first two references
actually stated that nothing in the bill would impact or cause any changes in
either program. The third reference actually added a wavier for Tricare
beneficiaries that failed to enroll in Medicare by their 65th birthday where
they could enroll up to a year late and the penalty would be wavered. The last
reference directed DoD to make sure people affected by the new waiver were made
aware of it.

There are any number of other examples as well but I don't want to drag it out
on this forum.

Does this give you some idea why I don't care to receive email from David?

By the way, speaking of manning up. You demanded that someone show you when
there was ever an unemployment rate greater than, I believe 9.8%, even making
personal attacks on individuals. I did show you but you then became silent.

You are free to think I am chicken shit. However I will not bore the group with
my opinion of you.

Jim
Naga City, Bicol

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@...> wrote:
>
> David
>
> I don't mean to tie up with you on this idiot comment that Jim seems fixated
on. My comment here is more about Jim than anything to do with the fight between
you two gentlemen.
>
> Let me point out to all here that in my limited experience with Jim, when he
is asked to put up, he invariably runs and hides under comments like "you called
me an idiot", against him and obviously an untruth or "he has an issue with
blacks", against me and obviously and equally untrue.
>
> Jim has posted in the past that he is a 20+ year military retiree and for that
I owe him a certain degree of respect. That said, in my humble opinion, based
solely on his posts, attempts to restrict mine on another site and, his past
private diatribe emails to me with the last email ending with the comment he had
blocked any reply email, Jim is a small man (chicken shit in my view) and to me
his written posts prove it. Maybe he is different in real life and so my
comments here are only aimed at his utterances here and elsewhere on these
Philippine sites.
>
> Now Jim before you get too upset, I will be happy to offer an apology just as
soon as you support your scurrilous racist allegations against me. Come Jim, man
up, if you can.
>
> PS: And yes Jim, on this and any other site, I will stay on your ass until you
stand up and prove your racist comment about me because I, like many others here
and in other countries, really do tire of you on the Left always hiding behind
this racial canard.
>
> Doug Arnold
> Living in Davao
> 0-918-570-1025
>
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@> wrote:
> >
> > Ah, your favorite word again "idiot". So now you say you opted out of
Tricare. You must have since Tricare is a government run system of health care
and you constantly complain about how bad it is because they have rules you are
to follow. Good to see you practice what you preach. lol
> >
> > Jim
> > Naga City, Bicol
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > No you can take care of yourselves, but a free ride is what you want. Let
the government take care of those who can't or won't take care of themselves.
Just about personnel responsibility. I like to make my own medical decisions,not
have a government idiot make them for me. David
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes David,
> > > >
> > > > You just gave away our terrible secret. We in Canada love our communist
health system because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cordially yours,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: David <gasturbine2500@>
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 7:35:50 PM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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President Obama's response to abortionist George Tiller death was "I am shocked
and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller."

President Obama's response to the slaughter of 13 Americans by a Muslim at a
U.S. military installation was to instruct Americans not to "jump to any
conclusions."

May 31, 2009 President Obama: "Shocked And Outraged By The Murder Of Dr. George
Tiller"

President Obama: "I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller
as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as
Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by
heinous acts of violence."

Source: http://xrl.us/bf3pxm

Friday 6 November 2009, Fort Hood: Obama urges caution amid fears of backlash
against Muslims

And his response to a Muslim killing 13 and wounding 33 others on a military
base you ask?


President Obama: "I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we get
all the facts," Obama said. The risk of a witchhunt rose today when the
commander at the Fort Hood base, Lieutenant-General Robert Cone, disclosed that
wounded soldiers said Hasan had shouted "Allahu Akbar" before opening fire on
unarmed soldiers at the Texas base."

Source: http://xrl.us/bf3pyv

First comments mean a lot and it is nice to know which issues are important to
him and how he feels.

Doug Arnold
Living in Davao
0-918-570-1025

I will answer for him. It was Tricare, just about as government controlled as
you can get. Ron Speers

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Xavier Maldonado <xm65@...> wrote:
>
> When you were in the states, what sort of medical did you have?
>  
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, David <gasturbine2500@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: David <gasturbine2500@...>
> Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:22 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> No you can take care of yourselves, but a free ride is what you want. Let the
government take care of those who can't or won't take care of themselves. Just
about personnel responsibility. I like to make my own medical decisions,not have
a government idiot make them for me. David
> --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes David,
> >
> > You just gave away our terrible secret. We in Canada love our communist
health system because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
> >
> >
> > Cordially yours,
> >
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: David <gasturbine2500@ ...>
> > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 7:35:50 PM
> > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> >
> >
> > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> >
> > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately owned
and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has bankrupted
the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of average
intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much less run it
at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe this I have
a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America to use our
broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those looking for a
government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he Nanny State
will help them. David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Jim

Do you want me to post your emails to me. And what did I ask you Jim, other than
to stop editing my posts and just to delete them if you must? And when you
refused, I called you what your are; right? lol

Come on Jim, you (and I have copies) have all of the emails, why not post them
for everyone to read. :)

Doug Arnold
Living in Davao
0-918-570-1025

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@...> wrote:
>
> The truth is my friend I blocked your emails after receiving constant
responses from you like, "idiot" when I returned postings that you claimed you
had proof of your allegations but failed to include the proof and personal
attacks. I asked you to provide your proof only to find out you had no proof and
then received emails like "idiot". You are the only member of the forum that is
moderated because of your constant attacks on members, inability to address
issues and constant postings outside the guidelines everyone else seems to be
able to comply with.
>
> Why you want to bring your problems over to this forum is beyond me.
>
> Jim
> Naga City, Bicol
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> >
> > Well Doug don't expect any post from Jim in Naga that make any sense
whatsoever. He can't figure out that he is accessing a website when he accesses
this forum. Not only that I get derogatory e-mails to my personnel e-mail accout
all the time from him. Being a wimp he has blocked any replys I may send in
rebuttal. He is always right smarter than you and he can't enter in debate as he
has no facts. At least he does not control this site. His group  Military
Retirees of Philippines is censored if you disagree with him. A small man living
in a fantasy world in Naga. David
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From my experience and apparently those of others, explaining anything to
you is a total waste of time.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > Naga City, Bicol
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > Don't be so lazy, take a little time and explain it to me. :)
> > > >
> > > > Doug Arnold
> > > > Living in Davao
> > > > 0-918-570-1025
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I would expect that comment only from you and shows just how little
understanding you have.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > > Naga City, Bicol
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't this what I have saying for more than a year now? lol
> > > > > >
> > > > > > November 4, 2009
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In U.S., Majority Now Say Obama's Policies "Mostly Liberal"
> > > > > > Fewer than half believe he has kept his election promises
> > > > > > by Lydia Saad
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PRINCETON, NJ -- "A majority of Americans now see President Barack
Obama as governing from the left. Specifically, 54% say his policies as
president have been mostly liberal while 34% call them mostly moderate. This
contrasts with public expectations right after Obama's election a year ago, when
as many expected him to be moderate as to be liberal."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bottom line from the recent Gallup poll:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "President Obama is not enjoying the same broad appeal and centrist
image that he did in the afterglow of his election last November. Although a
majority of Americans continue to view him favorably, this percentage has
declined. The common perception that he would govern as a moderate has given way
to a heightened belief that Obama's policies are mostly liberal. (Interpreted in
the light of Americans' generally conservative leanings, this could be a problem
for Obama politically.) And whereas in April most Americans believed he was
sticking to the promises he made during the campaign, fewer than half now say
that's the case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These findings are reinforced by Obama's subdued job approval
rating, which has been consistently tracking in the low 50s over the last
several months. They also conform with Gallup findings reported earlier this
week indicating that, compared to a year ago, Americans have generally lost hope
that Obama can heal political divisions in the country or control federal
spending, and are less optimistic about his ability to accomplish a number of
other important goals."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And this poll was done before the voters spoke last Tuesday.  I know
Jim will claim a racist tint to this news since he and his ilk are in the 32%
crowd. lol
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Full article at: http://xrl.us/bf2z8o
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doug Arnold
> > > > > > Living in Davao
> > > > > > 0-918-570-1025
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Jim

How is your comment "total loss" any different from you on going tear against
David saying, if he did rather than you just inferring it, that he said you are
an idiot? lol

David's comment, if said, was derogatory but yours is what; enlightening? lol

Come on Jim, man up and explain apparent contradiction to us "lesser" peoples
here.

Doug Arnold
living in davao
0-918-570-1025

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@...> wrote:
>
> What a total loss!! Some people can't see their hand in front of their face
because of their preconceived ideas drummed into their head by the
propagandists. Others know propaganda when they see it and think for themselves.
>
> Even your attempt at logic in this post is illogical. lol
>
> Jim
> Naga City, Bicol
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> >
> > Going to Canada for cheaper drugs is not the same as going for a triple
bypass operation. Urban legend is a total bullshit explanation. I understand
medical tourism and I also understand the Mayor of Cebu went to Texas for
bladder cancer care. Why he did not use the Philippine facilities that 1000's of
Americans flock to is another mystery. Canadas system works well because of a
small military budget makes no sense and has no bearing on the USA. You do get
care in Canada if you wait inline and the government decides it is necessary if
not oh well. A British MP outlined the flaws of the British system on the news
and people from Canada have also been interviewed,on timely care in Canada. When
your place in line comes you get care 18 months for prostrate cancer care in
Canada.
> >
> > Of course you get quality at lower prices in Thailand and Philippines that
is a no brainer. Cost of living is less DUH!. And yes Thailand and Philippines
are providing PRIVATE CARE, REPEAT PRIVATE CARE. Not Universal health care as
proposed by the US Congress. You pay up front for private care. Obviously some
confuse private care with government funded care. Otherwise they would not have
compared foreign private care to government universal care. You can't compare
apples to oranges Jim. David
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "richardalesna" <richardalesna@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Canada's health care system works well for Canada as it does not have a
huge military budget.  The health care reform bill passed by the House of
Representatives is scary as it will push the US towards unprecedented debt.  I
don't believe it is in the best interest of the United States to pass universal
health care as it does not have the money to pay for it.  True, it does not have
the money to fight the war on terror, but the additional expense from the health
care reform will bankrupt the country.   And I don't see the US under Obama
scaling down its military budget as it is in the American character to be the
policeman of the world.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich
they can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health
insurance company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation
you get it without having to worry that someone at your insurance company
doesn't think you need it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Jim <jim.y_forums@>
> > > >
> > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health
care. In a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is
accepting patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine
can't treat, you will find them traveling.
> > > >
> > > > Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain
care that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
supply channels are running out of medications.
> > > >
> > > > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical
tourism? It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess
where the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands
of Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries. I wonder why
that is?
> > > >
> > > > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the
internet.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > Naga City, Bicol
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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>

Rick

And you are here to tell us how much more we should burden the future children
of America in order to bail out we, the current self absorbed adult crop of
losers; right? May I ask, what right do we have to put this burden on them?
Better yet, why can't we pay our own way?

Doug Arnold
Living in Davao
0-918-570-1025


--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "HMCRET" <hmcret@...> wrote:
>
>   Actually most economists say the amount of money in the stimulus
> package should be much higher.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> >
> > Just to expand, Obama is not doing anything that is not standard economics.
Here in Canada we are also going into deficit budgeting to restart the economy.
The big difference is that until the economy took a downturn we had a government
that had balanced the budget instead of stimulating housing prices with
deficits.
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@>
> > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 10:27:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> >
> >
> > So now you can forecast the economy ... funny how the Republicans under
Clinton also 'forecast' an economic downturn when early in his administration he
raised taxes to balance the budget.
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@yahoo. com>
> > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 9:13:29 AM
> > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> >
> >
> > Let's put it this way: all Obama has done is buy a few basis points in the
GDP. When a particular spigot runs dry, there is no remaining effect from it.
> >
> > For instance, once cash for clunkers ended, car sales have gone back down.
Another for instance, that first time homebuyer's $8k tax credit is expiring and
home sales volume is already heading back down again. These examples show that
governments cannot count on buying continuous prosperity, that they need to
think about the types of programs, regulations and tax incentives that would
show a more lasting effect.
> >
> > There will be no real recovery without new private sector jobs because
consumers are still the biggest portion of the US economy. If they're busy
deleveraging and otherwise cutting their spending because they are afraid for
their own jobs or they have already lost them, the economy will remain anemic at
best. When the truth of this sinks in, when it is seen that all the government
has done is prop up banks and real estate, the markets and the economy will be
headed back down again next year.
> >
> > New jobs come from businesses small and large risking their capital to put
people on their payrolls. But Obama is no friend of business unless it's about
his banker buddies on Wall Street such as Bernanke, Geithner and others.
Businesses have received no certainty from the Administration or Congress
regarding executive compensation issues, including possible clawbacks; they have
received no certainty regarding their out-of-pocket costs to support health care
reform; they are now afraid to accept handouts and loans from the government
because of the conditions that are often attached to them; they are afraid of
being demonized and taxed harder for the sin of earning a great rate of return.
In this chilly environment, it is not difficult to understand why the typical
business owners and executives do not want to stick their necks out and take
risks.
> >
> > It is all well and good to consider the typical income transfer programs and
job creation programs (heck, I even support some of them!), but one has to
remember that *all* government programs require a tax base to pay for them. In
the case of the US, that tax base needs to be very wide in order to pay for
Obama's wish list. Instead the tax base has continued to erode under Obama's
leadership. If government policies don't help to expand the tax base, then
sooner or later the increase in government spending will strip it down to the
point it can not support the government as well as it has in the past. Does
Obama understand this? That remains to be seen.
> >
> > Government can only do so much on its own and then the powder is going to
run dry. What will happen when the Chinese decide they can afford to lessen
their participation in the Treasury markets? That day is not that far off. I'll
leave it to your imaginations what will happen when our spenders in DC (both
Democrats and Republicans) find out they no longer have access to blank
checks...
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > So you don't believe that Obama returning the country to growth is a good
thing? Arnie has already been on record as opposing it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@ >
> > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 1:06:26 AM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > >
> > >
> > > If you speak of narrow-mindedness, you ought to look in the mirror.
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "DavidB" <dajobann@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike:
> > > >
> > > > "LOL, can someone with more patience with slow learners than me explain
economic cycles 101 to Arnie?"
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > It would no good to explain anything to Arnie using facts or logic. He
is immune to both approaches.
> > > >
> > > > It has been almost three centuries since Alexander Pope wrote words that
fit him to a t.
> > > >
> > > > "Narrow minded people are like narrow necked bottles.  The less they
have in them, the more noise they make coming out."
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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David

I don't mean to tie up with you on this idiot comment that Jim seems fixated on.
My comment here is more about Jim than anything to do with the fight between you
two gentlemen.

Let me point out to all here that in my limited experience with Jim, when he is
asked to put up, he invariably runs and hides under comments like "you called me
an idiot", against him and obviously an untruth or "he has an issue with
blacks", against me and obviously and equally untrue.

Jim has posted in the past that he is a 20+ year military retiree and for that I
owe him a certain degree of respect. That said, in my humble opinion, based
solely on his posts, attempts to restrict mine on another site and, his past
private diatribe emails to me with the last email ending with the comment he had
blocked any reply email, Jim is a small man (chicken shit in my view) and to me
his written posts prove it. Maybe he is different in real life and so my
comments here are only aimed at his utterances here and elsewhere on these
Philippine sites.

Now Jim before you get too upset, I will be happy to offer an apology just as
soon as you support your scurrilous racist allegations against me. Come Jim, man
up, if you can.

PS: And yes Jim, on this and any other site, I will stay on your ass until you
stand up and prove your racist comment about me because I, like many others here
and in other countries, really do tire of you on the Left always hiding behind
this racial canard.

Doug Arnold
Living in Davao
0-918-570-1025


--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, your favorite word again "idiot". So now you say you opted out of Tricare.
You must have since Tricare is a government run system of health care and you
constantly complain about how bad it is because they have rules you are to
follow. Good to see you practice what you preach. lol
>
> Jim
> Naga City, Bicol
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > No you can take care of yourselves, but a free ride is what you want. Let
the government take care of those who can't or won't take care of themselves.
Just about personnel responsibility. I like to make my own medical decisions,not
have a government idiot make them for me. David
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes David,
> > >
> > > You just gave away our terrible secret. We in Canada love our communist
health system because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cordially yours,
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: David <gasturbine2500@>
> > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 7:35:50 PM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > >
> > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       __________________________________________________________________
> > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
> > >
> > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/
> > >
> >
>

Sounds like an XM hallucination about AC.
--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "xavier maldonado" <xm65@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds just like AC....
>
> ----------
> Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: stevezodiacus <stevezodiacus@...>
> To: <cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 05:38 AM
> Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
>
> Xavier, I don't know much about the Cuban life span but I suggest that
possibly if you've seen Cuban women you'd hold on as long as you could just to
keep on looking. I can definitely tell you they don't have a lower crime rate.
Havana is very dangerous and Holguin is worse. It's just that in that country
most crimes go unreported because the victims are frightened of reprisals from
the perpetrators. You're not safe in your own house and street crime is rampant.
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Xavier Maldonado <xm65@> wrote:
> >
> > sh.............  dont tell them that Cuba, has lower crime rate and
longer life span.. than the US...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jim <jim.y_forums@>
> > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:09 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > The ability is there but only for the select few. If you look at things like
infant mortality and average life span you will see that the US ranks well down
the list. But if you have enough money or work for someone that is willing to
spend the BIG bucks to buy you an insurance policy you can beat the odds.
> >
> > Jim
> > Naga City, Bicol
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Xavier Maldonado <xm65@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That is correct.  No one is saying we do not have the ability to
provide excellent care..  just that the care is not available to a large
portion of our population.
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:59 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich
they can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health
insurance company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation
you get it without having to worry that someone at your insurance company
doesn't think you need it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jim <jim.y_forums@ fmailbox. com>
> > >
> > > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care.
In a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
treat, you will find them traveling.
> > >
> > > Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain
care that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
supply channels are running out of medications.
> > >
> > > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical
tourism? It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess
where the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands
of Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries. I wonder why
that is?
> > >
> > > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > Naga City, Bicol
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
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Ah, you missed the field day my fan club had with that little carelessly dashed
out post. I meant to say won't load you up with cholesterol. I edited medical
journals for a couple of years and this was just a careless error on my part.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "HMCRET" <hmcret@...> wrote:
>
>   No plant based cooking oil has cholesterol.
>
> Rick
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "stevezodiacus" <stevezodiacus@> wrote:
> >
> > Science can look all they want. I prefer to err on the side of caution and
stick to oils that aren't loaded with cholesterol. All oils are fat in nature,
and oils derived from nuts and legumes are much higher in omega-3 content.
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Cesar Lumba <lumbacesar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do some serious research on the subject and you will find that what the
> > > so-called experts said about coconut oil was a canard.  The powerful soya
> > > oil, corn oil and other vegetable oils industry really did a number on
> > > coconut oil, enough to nearly kill the industry. Now, however, the
> > > scientific community has taken a second look at coconut oil and has found
> > > that the benefits of ingesting coconut oil - in moderation - outweigh the
> > > possible harm.
> > >
> > > Cesar
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:34 AM, kingskid_1945@ <
> > > kb0ni@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow! Nothing is worst than coconut in any form. My heart doctor would
just
> > > > shoot me if he found out I was cooking with coconut oil. He is from
India
> > > > and knows all about coconut. My family doctor was from the Philippines
and
> > > > when I first started having chest pains, she told me to never touch
coconut
> > > > ever again. It was the fast way to kill the heart. Good Grief! What a
crock
> > > > of ....!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com <cebucitytoday%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Pedro Alalay <pedroalalay@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a summary of the health benefits of coconut oil. In general,
> > > > coconut oil stimulates thyroid function and has wonderful antiseptic
> > > > properties.
> > > > > The Stability of Coconut Oil
> > > > > Unsaturated oils in cooked foods become rancid in just a few hours,
even
> > > > in the refrigerator, one reason for the "stale" taste of leftovers.
However,
> > > > according to Peat, eating fresh unsaturated fats is even worse, because
once
> > > > inside the body, they will oxidize (turn rancid) very rapidly due to
being
> > > > heated and mixed with oxygen. Not so with coconut oil. Even after one
year
> > > > at room temperature, coconut oil shows no evidence of rancidity even
though
> > > > it contains 9% linoleic (omega - 6) polyunsaturated acid. Peat theorizes
> > > > that coconut oil may have antioxidant properties, since the oil doesn't
turn
> > > > rancid and since it reduces our need for vitamin E, whereas unsaturated
oils
> > > > deplete vitamin E.
> > > > > Thyroid-Stimulating, Anti-Aging Effects of Coconut Oil
> > > > > Many researchers have reported that coconut oil lowers cholesterol
> > > > (Blackburn et al 1988, Ahrens and colleagues, 1957). In 1981, Prior et
al.
> > > > showed that islanders with a diet high in coconut oil showed no harmful
> > > > health effects. When these groups migrated to New Zealand and lowered
their
> > > > daily coconut oil intake, their total cholesterol and especially their
LDL
> > > > cholesterol - the so-called evil one - increased. The
cholesterol-lowering
> > > > properties of coconut oil are a direct result of its ability to
stimulate
> > > > thyroid function. In the presence of adequate thyroid hormone,
cholesterol
> > > > (specifically LDL-cholesterol) is converted by enzymatic processes to
the
> > > > vitally necessary anti-aging steroids, pregnenolone, progesterone and
DHEA.
> > > > These substances are required to help prevent heart disease, senility,
> > > > obesity, cancer and other diseases associated with aging and chronic
> > > > degenerative diseases.
> > > > > Weight Loss Stimulating Properties of Coconut Oil - a Direct Result of
> > > > Thyroid Stimulation
> > > > > In the 1940's farmers tried coconut oil to fatten their animals but
> > > > discovered that it made them lean and active and increased their
appetite.
> > > > Whoops! Then they tried an anti-thyroid drug. It made the livestock fat
with
> > > > less food but was found to be a carcinogen (cancer causing drug). In the
> > > > late 1940's, it was found that the same anti-thyroid effect could be
> > > > achieved by simply feeding animals soybeans and corn.
> > > > > Anti-Cancer Effects of Coconut Oil
> > > > > In 1987 Lim-Sylianco published a 50-year literature review showing the
> > > > anti-cancer effects of coconut oil. In chemically induced cancers of the
> > > > colon and breast, coconut oil was by far more protective than
unsaturated
> > > > oils. For example 32% of corn oil eaters got colon cancer whereas only
3% of
> > > > coconut oil eaters got the cancer. Animals fed unsaturated oils had more
> > > > tumors. This shows the thyroid-suppressive and hence, immuno-suppressive
> > > > effect of unsaturated oils. (Cohen et al. 1986).
> > > > > When Albert Schweitzer operated his clinic in tropical Africa, he said
> > > > that it was many years before he saw a single case of cancer. He
believed
> > > > that the appearance of cancer was caused by introduction of the European
> > > > diet to the Africans. Many studies since the 1920's have shown an
> > > > association between consumption of unsaturated oils and the incidence of
> > > > cancer.
> > > > > Antimicrobial (Antiseptic) Effects of Coconut Oil
> > > > > Coconut oil contains medium chain fatty acids such as lauric (C-12),
> > > > caprylic (C-10) and myristic (C-14) acids. Of these three, coconut oil
> > > > contains 40% lauric acid, which has the greater anti-viral activity of
these
> > > > three fatty acids. Lauric acid is so disease fighting that it is present
in
> > > > breast milk. The body converts lauric acid to a fatty acid derivative
> > > > (monolaurin), which is the substance that protects infants from viral,
> > > > bacterial or protozoal infections. This was recognized and reported in
1966
> > > > (Jon Kabara). Work by Hierholzer and Kabara (1982) showed that
monolaurin
> > > > has virucidal effects on RNA and DNA viruses, which are surrounded by a
> > > > lipid membrane.. In addition to these RNA and DNA viruses, in 1978,
Kabara
> > > > and others reported that certain medium chain fatty acids, such as
lauric
> > > > acid have adverse effects on other pathogenic microorganisms, including
> > > > bacteria, yeast and fungi. These fatty acids and their derivatives
actually
> > > > disrupt the
> > > > > lipid membranes of the organisms and thus inactivate them (Isaacs and
> > > > Thormar 1991; Isaacs et al. 1992). This deactivation process also occurs
in
> > > > human and bovine milk when fatty acids are added to them (Isaacs et al.
> > > > 1991).
> > > > > Here are two of my coconut oil salad dressing recipes:
> > > > > Lita's Ranch Salad Dressing
> > > > > One egg
> > > > > 4 tbsp cider vinegar (try 2 tbsp of apple cider vinegar plus 2 tbsp
> > > > balsamic vinegar or 4 tbsp of rice vinegar)
> > > > > 1/2-tsp salt
> > > > > 1/2-tsp dry mustard
> > > > > Spike or other seasoning to taste
> > > > > Add the above ingredients to your blender. Then very slowly dribble
into
> > > > blender one cup of oil consisting of about 3/4-cup coconut oil (melted
and
> > > > cooled) plus 1/4-cup extra virgin olive oil to the blender and blend
till
> > > > smooth. (The more coconut oil, the thicker the dressing). (If oil added
too
> > > > fast, or oil is too hot, mixture will curdle).
> > > > > Then add the following ingredients to the mayonnaise you just made to
> > > > make a thick and creamy Ranch dressing that can be uses as a substitute
for
> > > > mayonnaise:
> > > > > 1-1/4 cup buttermilk
> > > > > 4-6 tbsp or so sour cream, cream cheese or honey yogurt
> > > > > Onion flakes to taste
> > > > > Garlic powder to taste
> > > > > Salt
> > > > > Juice of one lemon
> > > > > Spike to taste or other seasoning
> > > > > Black pepper
> > > > > Parsley flakes
> > > > > Blend until smooth. Refrigerate. This dressing will thicken as it
cools.
> > > > You can use it instead of mayonnaise and can dilute it with more
buttermilk
> > > > if you want a thinner Ranch dressing. If this tastes too tart, add a
little
> > > > honey.
> > > > > Other suggestions for using coconut oil in your diet:
> > > > > 1) When you make pastries, substitute 50% coconut oil for whatever fat
is
> > > > recommended, hopefully butter.
> > > > > 2) When you fry or saut� eggs, fish, veggies or whatever, toss in some
> > > > coconut oil. Add butter or olive oil you wish, for flavor.
> > > > > To come: coconut oil ice cream!
> > > > > These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug
> > > > Administration. Not intended to diagnose, prescribe for, treat or claim
to
> > > > prevent, mitigate or cure any human disease. The third party information
> > > > referred to herein is neither adopted nor endorsed by this web site but
is
> > > > provided for general informational purposes.
> > > > > References:
> > > > > Peat, Raymond, Ph.D., From PMS to Menopause: Female Hormones in
Context,
> > > > Chapter 29, page 175. Copyright 1997 by Raymond Peat, P.O. Box 5764,
Eugene,
> > > > OR 97405. Price including S&H is $14.
> > > > > Reprinted with the permission of the author. �2001
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Ah..... Now I see!!!! You are the one that knows it all. Anyone that doesn't
agree is, what an "idiot"?

You through stuff around in your posts that make no sense and have nothing to do
with the issue at hand. These attempts at put downs seem to be how you debate.
Use public hospitals, Jim uses them, or maybe he uses witch doctors. No clue as
to health care issues in the USA. Wasting time discussing anything with those
who don't know.

Funny you claim I know nothing about the health care issues in the states. I
spent 41 years in health care administration before I retired. You spent, what
20 years, fixing boat motors? And you're going to tell me I know nothing about
the issues but you do? ROFLMAO

I am aware of who you use in Cebu for care. You use providers that over charge
Tricare, you cosign the claims and then, as you've told me before, pay less than
the required copay based on law. It seems you have it pretty good using a
government run health care system.

Jim
Naga City, Bicol

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@...> wrote:
>
> Typical BS can't debate the message,just attack the messenger. Ron must be
psychic, he should take up fortune telling. Seems he knows a awful lot about
what I did or did not do. I don't see many people coming to Phiippines to use
the public hospitals here. Maybe Jim uses them way out in Naga or he may use
witch doctors way out there. No access to medical care locally must be
problematic. But my medical care issues in Cebu are taken care of. It is hard to
debate those who can't see the forest for the trees. However fact 55% of
Americans oppose Obamacare. Maybe they are all wrong as well. Jim and Ron are
right because they say they are right. They have no clue as to the healhtcare
issue in the USA. So I am wasting time discussing anything with those who don't
know.
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ronspeers@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes Jim, It caused quite a stir when David was on active duty. He would
refuse to go on regular sick-call at the military dispensary. Instead he would
visit the private practitioner outside the gate! LOL Ron Speers
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim.y_forums@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah, your favorite word again "idiot". So now you say you opted out of
Tricare. You must have since Tricare is a government run system of health care
and you constantly complain about how bad it is because they have rules you are
to follow. Good to see you practice what you preach. lol
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > Naga City, Bicol
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No you can take care of yourselves, but a free ride is what you want.
Let the government take care of those who can't or won't take care of
themselves. Just about personnel responsibility. I like to make my own medical
decisions,not have a government idiot make them for me. David
> > > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes David,
> > > > >
> > > > > You just gave away our terrible secret. We in Canada love our
communist health system because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cordially yours,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: David <gasturbine2500@>
> > > > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 7:35:50 PM
> > > > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Actually most economists say the amount of money in the stimulus
package should be much higher.

Rick



--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@...> wrote:
>
> Just to expand, Obama is not doing anything that is not standard economics.
Here in Canada we are also going into deficit budgeting to restart the economy.
The big difference is that until the economy took a downturn we had a government
that had balanced the budget instead of stimulating housing prices with
deficits.
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@...>
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 10:27:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
>
>
> So now you can forecast the economy ... funny how the Republicans under
Clinton also 'forecast' an economic downturn when early in his administration he
raised taxes to balance the budget.
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@yahoo. com>
> To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 9:13:29 AM
> Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
>
>
> Let's put it this way: all Obama has done is buy a few basis points in the
GDP. When a particular spigot runs dry, there is no remaining effect from it.
>
> For instance, once cash for clunkers ended, car sales have gone back down.
Another for instance, that first time homebuyer's $8k tax credit is expiring and
home sales volume is already heading back down again. These examples show that
governments cannot count on buying continuous prosperity, that they need to
think about the types of programs, regulations and tax incentives that would
show a more lasting effect.
>
> There will be no real recovery without new private sector jobs because
consumers are still the biggest portion of the US economy. If they're busy
deleveraging and otherwise cutting their spending because they are afraid for
their own jobs or they have already lost them, the economy will remain anemic at
best. When the truth of this sinks in, when it is seen that all the government
has done is prop up banks and real estate, the markets and the economy will be
headed back down again next year.
>
> New jobs come from businesses small and large risking their capital to put
people on their payrolls. But Obama is no friend of business unless it's about
his banker buddies on Wall Street such as Bernanke, Geithner and others.
Businesses have received no certainty from the Administration or Congress
regarding executive compensation issues, including possible clawbacks; they have
received no certainty regarding their out-of-pocket costs to support health care
reform; they are now afraid to accept handouts and loans from the government
because of the conditions that are often attached to them; they are afraid of
being demonized and taxed harder for the sin of earning a great rate of return.
In this chilly environment, it is not difficult to understand why the typical
business owners and executives do not want to stick their necks out and take
risks.
>
> It is all well and good to consider the typical income transfer programs and
job creation programs (heck, I even support some of them!), but one has to
remember that *all* government programs require a tax base to pay for them. In
the case of the US, that tax base needs to be very wide in order to pay for
Obama's wish list. Instead the tax base has continued to erode under Obama's
leadership. If government policies don't help to expand the tax base, then
sooner or later the increase in government spending will strip it down to the
point it can not support the government as well as it has in the past. Does
Obama understand this? That remains to be seen.
>
> Government can only do so much on its own and then the powder is going to run
dry. What will happen when the Chinese decide they can afford to lessen their
participation in the Treasury markets? That day is not that far off. I'll leave
it to your imaginations what will happen when our spenders in DC (both Democrats
and Republicans) find out they no longer have access to blank checks...
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > So you don't believe that Obama returning the country to growth is a good
thing? Arnie has already been on record as opposing it.
> >
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: ojh7812 <ojh7812@ >
> > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 1:06:26 AM
> > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> >
> >
> > If you speak of narrow-mindedness, you ought to look in the mirror.
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "DavidB" <dajobann@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike:
> > >
> > > "LOL, can someone with more patience with slow learners than me explain
economic cycles 101 to Arnie?"
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > It would no good to explain anything to Arnie using facts or logic. He is
immune to both approaches.
> > >
> > > It has been almost three centuries since Alexander Pope wrote words that
fit him to a t.
> > >
> > > "Narrow minded people are like narrow necked bottles.  The less they have
in them, the more noise they make coming out."
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Still hasn't reached the 1983 level under Ronnies first recession.
They were at 11.3% I believe.

Rick

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Arnold" <darnoldcndc@...> wrote:
>
> Michael
>
> Since the economy is growing, please share with us the new employment numbers.
You know, the new jobs actually created to get employment back under 9.8%. Not
some off the wall joke from Obama about "jobs saved within the various forms of
government"; the real numbers on new jobs created in the private sector.
>
> I think for the unemployed it will tell us what is important.
>
> Care to share? lol
>
> And since I have seen the real numbers; NO THANKS Obama.
>
> Doug Arnold
> Living in Davao
> 0-918-570-1025
>
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, not so much time ... the economy is growing again.
> >
> > Thank you President Obama!
> >
> > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6896229.ece
> >
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Xavier Maldonado <xm65@>
> > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 2:15:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> >
> >
> > time will prove one of you right....  lets wait and see.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Michael Katz <katzmichel@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@yahoo. com>
> > >Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > >To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > >Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:28 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >You made a bunch of claims such as "Government insurance is a joke. In
2012, there is not way he will be voted in again and we will be in the biggest
mess of our Country's history." and then finished with " I started this thread
and now it is finished. "
> > >
> > >OK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: "Dicemeister@ att.net" <Dicemeister@ att.net>
> > >To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > >Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 5:06:01 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Democrat vs Republican
> > >
> > >
> > >Michael,
> > >
> > >What in the name of (you know what) are you talking about?  No one said
"Don't challenge what I wrote".  I made all of my claims in one big post.  Since
then, everyone has had the chance to challenge them and they did.  I enjoyed
that.  Now it is obvious that there is nothing more to say other than to beat it
to death over and over and over........ ....  My last post just  basically said
that you don't agree with me and I don't agree with you.  Let's leave it at
that.  So now, I want to move on to other things.  I am tired of beating a dead
horse and I, myself, am finished.  If you want to continue with this thread, it
is your right ,so have at it.  What are you trying to do, force the issue until
you win?  This is the wierdest thing I have ever heard of.  We agree to
disagree, so drop it.  I don't know what else to say except for the same things
over and
> > > over...Roger
> > >
> > >------------ -- Original message from "Mike" <katzmichel@yahoo. com>:
------------ --
> > >>
> > >>Roger, it is one thing to declare a thread finished, but you make making a
bunch
> > >>> of claims and the say don't challenge what I wrote.
> > >>>
> > >>> Michel
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Dicemeister@ ... wrote:
> > >>> > > Michael, I agree that Bush was a big part of the problem. But as for
Obama, we totally disagree. Yes, he inherited a big deficit, but by making all
the wrong choices, he grew it beyond belief. As a Conservative Republican, I am
opposed to anything that "spreads the wealth" around. I am for everyone having
the opportunity to earn it for himself/herself. Here is the bottom line. So far,
every decision Obama has made was totally against all that I believe. The bail
outs are NOT working. The administration keeps insisting that they
> > >> are but that is BS. They are NOT. Government insurance is a joke. In
2012, there is not way he will be voted in again and we will be in the biggest
mess of our Country's history. Therefore, there is no way I can support his
programs. I
> > >>> see that Left leaning people's convictions are just as strong as mine so
there
> > >>> is no point in discussing this further. I started this thread and now it
is
> > >>> finished. Please let's drop it since there is no point beating a dead
> > >>> horse...Roger
> > >>>
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I can not find one thing I would consider a public necessity since eminent
Domain was used in the 1950's to obtain land for the interstate highway syatem.
Urban renewal is the biggest scam in real estate

Rick

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Dicemeister@... wrote:
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absolutely necessary for a public necessity.  I am totally against the arbitrary
use of it, such as the City of New London, CT taking private land and turning it
over to a developer under the guise of urban renewal.  Whenever I had to
negotiate with a property owner and they told me, why bother because we would
just take their land anyway, I always told them that although we do have the
power of condemnation, that is the furthest thing from my mind.  It is my goal
to negotiate a win/win settlement that will make them whole and that they can
feel good about.  I always went the extra mile to try to make it right with
them.  No body wins in a condemnation suit except for the attorneys.  It is an
awsome power that shoud never be taken lightly.  You are dealing with real
people, many of who are being put through a traumatic experience.  If you win
their trust, you have the opportunity take away some of their fears.  THat is
always a good feeling.  I have seen many agencies (even some of my clients) who
have the attitude, "Let's just condemn it and be over with it.  It will save
time".  I always remind them that not only do the land owners have
constitutional rights but their agency/company has to deal with these people in
the long run and if they have any pride in their organization, they would want
to be seen as fair and reasonable.  A true professional, in my field, owes a
fiduciary relationship to his client but he also is bound by law and
professional ethics/standards to deal with a property owner in a fair, honest
and professional manner.  I often have to remind my clients of that...Roger
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> > Roger,
> > Answers it very well indeed, but it brings another question to mind. Eminent
> > Domain, are you for it or against it.
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> > Rick
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Not only is it an insult, it's also a lie.

Rick

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, RANDALL RANDALL <viper2637@...> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: This is an insult
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------Original Message------
From: stevezodiacus <stevezodiacus@...>
To: <cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 05:38 AM
Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?

Xavier, I don't know much about the Cuban life span but I suggest that possibly
if you've seen Cuban women you'd hold on as long as you could just to keep on
looking. I can definitely tell you they don't have a lower crime rate. Havana is
very dangerous and Holguin is worse. It's just that in that country most crimes
go unreported because the victims are frightened of reprisals from the
perpetrators. You're not safe in your own house and street crime is rampant.

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Xavier Maldonado <xm65@...> wrote:
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> sh.............  dont tell them that Cuba, has lower crime rate and longer
life span.. than the US...
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> From: Jim <jim.y_forums@...>
> Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:09 PM
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> The ability is there but only for the select few. If you look at things like
infant mortality and average life span you will see that the US ranks well down
the list. But if you have enough money or work for someone that is willing to
spend the BIG bucks to buy you an insurance policy you can beat the odds.
>
> Jim
> Naga City, Bicol
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, Xavier Maldonado <xm65@> wrote:
> >
> > That is correct.  No one is saying we do not have the ability to
provide excellent care..  just that the care is not available to a large
portion of our population.
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> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...> wrote:
> >
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> > From: Michael Katz <katzmichel@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:59 AM
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> > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich they
can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health insurance
company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation you get it
without having to worry that someone at your insurance company doesn't think you
need it.
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> > Michel 
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> > From: Jim <jim.y_forums@ fmailbox. com>
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> > To: cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> >
> >  
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> > The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care.
In a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
treat, you will find them traveling.
> >
> > Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain care
that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
supply channels are running out of medications.
> >
> > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical tourism?
It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess where
the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands of
Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries. I wonder why
that is?
> >
> > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> >
> > Jim
> > Naga City, Bicol
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
> > >
> > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
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No plant based cooking oil has cholesterol.

Rick

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "stevezodiacus" <stevezodiacus@...> wrote:
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> Science can look all they want. I prefer to err on the side of caution and
stick to oils that aren't loaded with cholesterol. All oils are fat in nature,
and oils derived from nuts and legumes are much higher in omega-3 content.
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> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Cesar Lumba <lumbacesar@> wrote:
> >
> > Do some serious research on the subject and you will find that what the
> > so-called experts said about coconut oil was a canard.  The powerful soya
> > oil, corn oil and other vegetable oils industry really did a number on
> > coconut oil, enough to nearly kill the industry. Now, however, the
> > scientific community has taken a second look at coconut oil and has found
> > that the benefits of ingesting coconut oil - in moderation - outweigh the
> > possible harm.
> >
> > Cesar
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> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:34 AM, kingskid_1945@ <
> > kb0ni@> wrote:
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> > > Wow! Nothing is worst than coconut in any form. My heart doctor would just
> > > shoot me if he found out I was cooking with coconut oil. He is from India
> > > and knows all about coconut. My family doctor was from the Philippines and
> > > when I first started having chest pains, she told me to never touch
coconut
> > > ever again. It was the fast way to kill the heart. Good Grief! What a
crock
> > > of ....!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com <cebucitytoday%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Pedro Alalay <pedroalalay@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Here is a summary of the health benefits of coconut oil. In general,
> > > coconut oil stimulates thyroid function and has wonderful antiseptic
> > > properties.
> > > > The Stability of Coconut Oil
> > > > Unsaturated oils in cooked foods become rancid in just a few hours, even
> > > in the refrigerator, one reason for the "stale" taste of leftovers.
However,
> > > according to Peat, eating fresh unsaturated fats is even worse, because
once
> > > inside the body, they will oxidize (turn rancid) very rapidly due to being
> > > heated and mixed with oxygen. Not so with coconut oil. Even after one year
> > > at room temperature, coconut oil shows no evidence of rancidity even
though
> > > it contains 9% linoleic (omega - 6) polyunsaturated acid. Peat theorizes
> > > that coconut oil may have antioxidant properties, since the oil doesn't
turn
> > > rancid and since it reduces our need for vitamin E, whereas unsaturated
oils
> > > deplete vitamin E.
> > > > Thyroid-Stimulating, Anti-Aging Effects of Coconut Oil
> > > > Many researchers have reported that coconut oil lowers cholesterol
> > > (Blackburn et al 1988, Ahrens and colleagues, 1957). In 1981, Prior et al.
> > > showed that islanders with a diet high in coconut oil showed no harmful
> > > health effects. When these groups migrated to New Zealand and lowered
their
> > > daily coconut oil intake, their total cholesterol and especially their LDL
> > > cholesterol - the so-called evil one - increased. The cholesterol-lowering
> > > properties of coconut oil are a direct result of its ability to stimulate
> > > thyroid function. In the presence of adequate thyroid hormone, cholesterol
> > > (specifically LDL-cholesterol) is converted by enzymatic processes to the
> > > vitally necessary anti-aging steroids, pregnenolone, progesterone and
DHEA.
> > > These substances are required to help prevent heart disease, senility,
> > > obesity, cancer and other diseases associated with aging and chronic
> > > degenerative diseases.
> > > > Weight Loss Stimulating Properties of Coconut Oil - a Direct Result of
> > > Thyroid Stimulation
> > > > In the 1940's farmers tried coconut oil to fatten their animals but
> > > discovered that it made them lean and active and increased their appetite.
> > > Whoops! Then they tried an anti-thyroid drug. It made the livestock fat
with
> > > less food but was found to be a carcinogen (cancer causing drug). In the
> > > late 1940's, it was found that the same anti-thyroid effect could be
> > > achieved by simply feeding animals soybeans and corn.
> > > > Anti-Cancer Effects of Coconut Oil
> > > > In 1987 Lim-Sylianco published a 50-year literature review showing the
> > > anti-cancer effects of coconut oil. In chemically induced cancers of the
> > > colon and breast, coconut oil was by far more protective than unsaturated
> > > oils. For example 32% of corn oil eaters got colon cancer whereas only 3%
of
> > > coconut oil eaters got the cancer. Animals fed unsaturated oils had more
> > > tumors. This shows the thyroid-suppressive and hence, immuno-suppressive
> > > effect of unsaturated oils. (Cohen et al. 1986).
> > > > When Albert Schweitzer operated his clinic in tropical Africa, he said
> > > that it was many years before he saw a single case of cancer. He believed
> > > that the appearance of cancer was caused by introduction of the European
> > > diet to the Africans. Many studies since the 1920's have shown an
> > > association between consumption of unsaturated oils and the incidence of
> > > cancer.
> > > > Antimicrobial (Antiseptic) Effects of Coconut Oil
> > > > Coconut oil contains medium chain fatty acids such as lauric (C-12),
> > > caprylic (C-10) and myristic (C-14) acids. Of these three, coconut oil
> > > contains 40% lauric acid, which has the greater anti-viral activity of
these
> > > three fatty acids. Lauric acid is so disease fighting that it is present
in
> > > breast milk. The body converts lauric acid to a fatty acid derivative
> > > (monolaurin), which is the substance that protects infants from viral,
> > > bacterial or protozoal infections. This was recognized and reported in
1966
> > > (Jon Kabara). Work by Hierholzer and Kabara (1982) showed that monolaurin
> > > has virucidal effects on RNA and DNA viruses, which are surrounded by a
> > > lipid membrane.. In addition to these RNA and DNA viruses, in 1978, Kabara
> > > and others reported that certain medium chain fatty acids, such as lauric
> > > acid have adverse effects on other pathogenic microorganisms, including
> > > bacteria, yeast and fungi. These fatty acids and their derivatives
actually
> > > disrupt the
> > > > lipid membranes of the organisms and thus inactivate them (Isaacs and
> > > Thormar 1991; Isaacs et al. 1992). This deactivation process also occurs
in
> > > human and bovine milk when fatty acids are added to them (Isaacs et al.
> > > 1991).
> > > > Here are two of my coconut oil salad dressing recipes:
> > > > Lita's Ranch Salad Dressing
> > > > One egg
> > > > 4 tbsp cider vinegar (try 2 tbsp of apple cider vinegar plus 2 tbsp
> > > balsamic vinegar or 4 tbsp of rice vinegar)
> > > > 1/2-tsp salt
> > > > 1/2-tsp dry mustard
> > > > Spike or other seasoning to taste
> > > > Add the above ingredients to your blender. Then very slowly dribble into
> > > blender one cup of oil consisting of about 3/4-cup coconut oil (melted and
> > > cooled) plus 1/4-cup extra virgin olive oil to the blender and blend till
> > > smooth. (The more coconut oil, the thicker the dressing). (If oil added
too
> > > fast, or oil is too hot, mixture will curdle).
> > > > Then add the following ingredients to the mayonnaise you just made to
> > > make a thick and creamy Ranch dressing that can be uses as a substitute
for
> > > mayonnaise:
> > > > 1-1/4 cup buttermilk
> > > > 4-6 tbsp or so sour cream, cream cheese or honey yogurt
> > > > Onion flakes to taste
> > > > Garlic powder to taste
> > > > Salt
> > > > Juice of one lemon
> > > > Spike to taste or other seasoning
> > > > Black pepper
> > > > Parsley flakes
> > > > Blend until smooth. Refrigerate. This dressing will thicken as it cools.
> > > You can use it instead of mayonnaise and can dilute it with more
buttermilk
> > > if you want a thinner Ranch dressing. If this tastes too tart, add a
little
> > > honey.
> > > > Other suggestions for using coconut oil in your diet:
> > > > 1) When you make pastries, substitute 50% coconut oil for whatever fat
is
> > > recommended, hopefully butter.
> > > > 2) When you fry or saut� eggs, fish, veggies or whatever, toss in some
> > > coconut oil. Add butter or olive oil you wish, for flavor.
> > > > To come: coconut oil ice cream!
> > > > These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug
> > > Administration. Not intended to diagnose, prescribe for, treat or claim to
> > > prevent, mitigate or cure any human disease. The third party information
> > > referred to herein is neither adopted nor endorsed by this web site but is
> > > provided for general informational purposes.
> > > > References:
> > > > Peat, Raymond, Ph.D., From PMS to Menopause: Female Hormones in Context,
> > > Chapter 29, page 175. Copyright 1997 by Raymond Peat, P.O. Box 5764,
Eugene,
> > > OR 97405. Price including S&H is $14.
> > > > Reprinted with the permission of the author. �2001
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Letsd get one thing strraight, you and your Dr decide on the care,
not the govt. And even if they did, how is that different then a pencil pusher
working for Blue Cross deciding your policy doesn't cover the procedure you just
had, or it will only pay 10% because you were out of network while on vacation.
Between Medicare, Tricare, and the VA half the US population already has govt
run, socialized medicine, why not include the other half?

Rick

--- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "David" <gasturbine2500@...> wrote:
>
> Going to Canada for cheaper drugs is not the same as going for a triple bypass
operation. Urban legend is a total bullshit explanation. I understand medical
tourism and I also understand the Mayor of Cebu went to Texas for bladder cancer
care. Why he did not use the Philippine facilities that 1000's of Americans
flock to is another mystery. Canadas system works well because of a small
military budget makes no sense and has no bearing on the USA. You do get care in
Canada if you wait inline and the government decides it is necessary if not oh
well. A British MP outlined the flaws of the British system on the news and
people from Canada have also been interviewed,on timely care in Canada. When
your place in line comes you get care 18 months for prostrate cancer care in
Canada.
>
> Of course you get quality at lower prices in Thailand and Philippines that is
a no brainer. Cost of living is less DUH!. And yes Thailand and Philippines are
providing PRIVATE CARE, REPEAT PRIVATE CARE. Not Universal health care as
proposed by the US Congress. You pay up front for private care. Obviously some
confuse private care with government funded care. Otherwise they would not have
compared foreign private care to government universal care. You can't compare
apples to oranges Jim. David
>
> --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, "richardalesna" <richardalesna@> wrote:
> >
> > Canada's health care system works well for Canada as it does not have a huge
military budget.  The health care reform bill passed by the House of
Representatives is scary as it will push the US towards unprecedented debt.  I
don't believe it is in the best interest of the United States to pass universal
health care as it does not have the money to pay for it.  True, it does not have
the money to fight the war on terror, but the additional expense from the health
care reform will bankrupt the country.   And I don't see the US under Obama
scaling down its military budget as it is in the American character to be the
policeman of the world.
> >
> >
> > --- In cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com, Michael Katz <katzmichel@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jim, the big advantage of a US style system is that if a person is rich
they can pay money to jump ahead of the poor bastards who have a health
insurance company. Here in Canada if your doctor decides you need an operation
you get it without having to worry that someone at your insurance company
doesn't think you need it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jim <jim.y_forums@>
> > >
> > > To: cebucitytoday@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:47:59 PM
> > > Subject: [cebucitytoday] Re: Re; A  Universal HealthCare Mystery ?
> > >
> > >
> > > The reality is few people travel to the US for the overpriced health care.
In a few instances, where an experimental drug or treatment program is accepting
patients and there is a patient with a condition traditional medicine can't
treat, you will find them traveling.
> > >
> > > Another reality is many Americans travel to Canada and Mexico to obtain
care that they cannot afford in the US including medications. In fact so many
Americans have overburdened the Canadian pharmacy system they are finding their
supply channels are running out of medications.
> > >
> > > I don't suppose you ever heard of the major industry called medical
tourism? It is alive and well in places like Thailand and the Philippines; guess
where the majority of their patients come from? It seems the tens of thousands
of Americans that are willing to pay for travel costs plus medical expenses feel
they are getting quality care at a lower price in these countries. I wonder why
that is?
> > >
> > > Most of what you claim is simply urban legend, passed around the internet.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > Naga City, Bicol
> > >
> > > --- In cebucitytoday@ yahoogroups. com, "David" <gasturbine2500@ ...>
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> > > > Since according to various post on this forum most of the world has
universal healthcare and it is the European gold Standard. I realized a
> > > > mystery is occurring. Why are people from around the world spending
thousands of dollars, traveling thousands of miles to America to use a broken
healthcare system? I don't see people traveling to Canada or the UK for medical
care. Why aren't Americas going to Europe for superior healthcare, in the
socialized system. Or why not just go to Cuba for great care. It seems very
strange people would travel to America to use or broken system. Maybe someone
here can answer this question.
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> > > > Maybe because the US has the worlds best healthcare system a privately
owned and funded system. Not a government run system.Why the government has
bankrupted the Post Office, Social Security and Medicare. So what makes one of
average intelligence think the government can run Universal Healthcare. Much
less run it at projected cost or not increase the national debt. If you believe
this I have a bridge for sale very cheap. SO people continue to come to America
to use our broken system. Only people who want universal healthcare are those
looking for a government hand out,incapable of taking care of themselves. But he
Nanny State will help them. David
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