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Re: [bresson-no-spam] Re: Diary of a Country Priest

There's a difference between "not acting emotional"
and "acting emotionless." Bresson's models are the
former.

There's also an interview with Bresson at the time of
"Pickpocket" on YouTube. He's very funny, flirty and
sly in it. He responds to the question of whether he
ever knew any pickpockets as if the questioner asked
him if he were gay.

--- Paul <forlino@...> wrote:

> Thanks, James. I'm going to check out Cinefile. I
> do have the
> videotape of L'Argent and plan to keep it. I'll see
> if I can buy or
> rent the DVD to "Les Dames" at Cinefile. I hope
> they have it. After
> writing my comments I DID suspect, and anticipate,
> after I thought
> about it, that someone was going to respond that
> indeed the
> characters IN ALL OF BRESSON'S FILMS act
> emotionless, and that that's
> what some viewers have always critized him for. I
> don't
> know...perhaps I'm being overly critical. It's just
> that for some
> reason there seems to be a certain purity and grace
> in his earlier
> works (even through Mouchette, but especially his
> first three feature
> films) -- in his beautiful compositions and editing
> and the rhythm
> and "feel" and naturalness of the films -- as well
> as at least an
> inkling of what people are thinking, or their
> suffering and anxiety,
> that can be detected in their demeanor and even
> subtle facial
> expressions.
>
> I can't access YouTube at the moment -- on my work
> computer -- but
> if that link you mentioned is the one where
> Tarkovsky and Bresson are
> presented their awards by Orson (at Cannes), I HAVE
> seen that
> clip.... but I'll check again to be sure. It's a
> shame (and sad, and
> disgusting) that Bresson was booed, but some Cannes
> audience members
> evidently aren't exactly the most civilized and
> open-minded of
> people. They could have at least shown Bresson some
> respect, or just
> remained silent. And speaking of Tarkovsky, by the
> way, if I wanted
> to see one film of his, can you or someone in this
> group recommend
> one that would be a good "starter"? -- one that's
> representative of
> his best film-making?
>
> -- Paul (forlino@...)
>
>
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>
> --- In bresson-no-spam@yahoogroups.com, James Day
> <james_f_day@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > If you make the trip to LA's Cinefile on Santa
> Monica Blvd. &
> Sawtelle you will find Les Dames in the Bresson
> collection. Cinefile
> organizes their titles by director so you can browse
> other Bresson,
> such as L'Argent, and I do hope you give it another
> shot because I
> believe it's one of the best final films of a
> director of any time
> period, of any country. Yes, they are human beings,
> not robots. And
> if these characters walk around and speak
> expressionless and robot-
> like, where in Bresson are his characters any
> different? I believe in
> L'Argent Bresson reached the zenith of his
> discipline, of his
> dedication to his notion of cinematography, so much
> so that his film
> fueled such emotion from his audience -- like me,
> people loved it;
> like you, they hated it. And isn't that the ultimate
> goal of
> filmmaking, to make people feel? Whatever the
> emotion at least they
> feel something. The worst you can say about L'Argent
> or any film is,
> Ehh. Whatever. I'm over it. You should search on
> > YouTube Bresson Tarkovsky 1983 Cannes. You'll see
> what I mean.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > James
>
>




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Thanks, James. I'm going to check out Cinefile. I do have the videotape of L'Argent and plan to keep it. I'll see if I can buy or rent the DVD to "Les...
Paul
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Dec 7, 2007
8:54 pm

There's a difference between "not acting emotional" and "acting emotionless." Bresson's models are the former. There's also an interview with Bresson at the...
David Ehrenstein
cellar47
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Dec 8, 2007
12:32 am

Yes, I do understand what you mean, absolutely, and it's a point well taken, although a director (any artist) can go to an extreme, which is what I feel...
Paul
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Dec 8, 2007
5:40 am

If you're looking for "expression' in Bresson via the faces of his models then you have the wrong filmmaker. With Boresson it's the ENTIRE BODY not the face...
David Ehrenstein
cellar47
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Dec 8, 2007
2:02 pm

Well, OK, but for some reason I just don't care for Bresson's later films as much as his earlier ones and perhaps it's just a matter of personal preference,...
Paul
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Dec 8, 2007
10:38 pm

As it happens, i think L'Argn tis Mr. Bresson's masterpiece. As i recal in an interivew he gave, he thoug tit his best work. Shmuel Ben-Gad, Gelman Library, ...
Shmuel Ben-Gad
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Dec 9, 2007
3:18 pm

Re: his colour films, I do understand how you find them different from his earlier works; to me they are colder and less inviting, however no less brilliant. ...
Matt Lee
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Dec 8, 2007
10:10 pm

Yes, Matt -- it's the coldness. David's correct when he mentioned that Bresson's models don't "act emotional", and that their faces lack expression because...
Paul
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Dec 8, 2007
11:57 pm

Cinefile usually has Une femme douce on VHS available, too, Paul. See if it's there when you check out Les dames. And make sure you tell us what you thought of...
James Day
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Dec 9, 2007
12:46 am

Warning: this message gives the ending of L'Argent away. If you have not seen it yet, I strongly sggest not reading any further! Like some other. I think i...
Shmuel Ben-Gad
tormance13
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Dec 9, 2007
4:09 pm

... Some Bressonians respond to the ... The thing is I don't find the later films cold at all. "Une Femme Douce Is incredibly passionate. How can any film...
David Ehrenstein
cellar47
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Dec 9, 2007
1:54 am

Thanks, James and David.. When I go to Cinefile, I'll try to get both "Le Diable Probablement" and "Une Femme Douce". I've never been there, but I have a...
Paul
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Dec 9, 2007
9:05 am

I agree with this. I do not find thel ater films cold but more precise and rigorous and even more effective. Shmuel Ben-Gad, Gelman Library, George Washington...
Shmuel Ben-Gad
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Dec 9, 2007
4:11 pm

Please explain, if youknow, why Madame Bresson does not want Une Femme Douce and Quatre Nuits i dvd. It seesm bizarre. Shmuel Ben-Gad, Gelman Library, George...
Shmuel Ben-Gad
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Dec 9, 2007
3:47 pm

She's pretty bizare. And testy too. Blew a gasket when Anne Wiazemsky published her roman a clef, "Jeune Fille," about the shooting of "Au Hasard Balthazar." ...
David Ehrenstein
cellar47
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Dec 9, 2007
3:59 pm

Have you read it? What is it like.? I never heard of it before, i must confess. Shmuel Ben-Gad, Gelman Library, George Washington University. "The world is...
Shmuel Ben-Gad
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Dec 9, 2007
4:17 pm

A copy is on its way to me in the mail. I'll let you know. ... === message truncated === ...
David Ehrenstein
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Dec 9, 2007
11:36 pm

Please do. Shmuel Ben-Gad, Gelman Library, George Washington University. "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still...
Shmuel Ben-Gad
tormance13
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Dec 9, 2007
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A lot of info on the book can be found at: ...
Tag Gallagher
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Dec 10, 2007
2:46 pm

I have not heard anything about Mme Bresson not wanting 4 nuits shown, but I did hear that she expressed doubt, at one point, about whether a copy could be...
Tag Gallagher
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Dec 9, 2007
6:59 pm

I see, Mr. Gallagher. Thank you. Shmuel Ben-Gad, Gelman Library, George Washington University. "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many...
Shmuel Ben-Gad
tormance13
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Dec 9, 2007
7:16 pm

I second Tag's comment about a Bresson bio. Sure there's Quandt and Keith Reader, but I think we're both longing for just a huge epic encompassing everything....
James Day
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Dec 9, 2007
10:16 pm

Regarding Mme Bresson - it's not she does not want those films shown (in fact they were shown recently at a Bresson tribute in Britain which she attended),...
Matt Lee
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Dec 10, 2007
7:52 am

... "Saddened" hell! He STALKED Dominque Sanda for amny years afterwards, calling her up at all hours and breathing into the phone without speaking. ...
David Ehrenstein
cellar47
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Dec 10, 2007
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Thank you, Mr. Lee. I doubted whether she was opposed in principle to the films being released on DVD and am glad to see you confirm that. Would you please...
Shmuel Ben-Gad
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