... It was Adrian who suggested that Robin Wood and Manny Farber existed at two ends of the critical spectrum. In my response, I pointed out that, as far as...
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thebradstevens
Oct 2, 2006 11:46 am
... insight into how Farber didn't like the ... it ... has ... is ... school ... it's ... it's ... in ... skipped ... So if I were to describe (to take a...
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David Ehrenstein
cellar47
Oct 2, 2006 12:35 pm
... And you've huffily declared your disinterest in so much as considering Manny's paintings. So let's call it a draw. ... ...
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thebradstevens
Oct 2, 2006 1:03 pm
... you've huffily declared your disinterest in so ... If you mean to imply that Manny Farber's writings cannot be defended without reference to external...
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David Ehrenstein
cellar47
Oct 2, 2006 1:28 pm
... I have essentially admitted my boredom with your pettiness. I really don't see any point in discussing this with you further. This forum is about serious...
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thebradstevens
Oct 2, 2006 2:26 pm
... Exactly. And 'you can't understand Manny Farber's criticism unless you are familiar with his paintings' is not in any way, shape or form a serious...
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Richard Modiano
tharpa2002
Oct 2, 2006 2:53 pm
... wrote: "Well, you're right of course. But do you (or anyone else) know how far the big ones (i.e. Ford, Hawks, Hitchcock, Welles, von Sternberg, Lang,...
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Dan Sallitt
sallitt1
Oct 2, 2006 2:58 pm
... Too bad Bill isn't around at the moment, as he's probably got more concrete information in this area than anyone. But I think you'd find that a lot of...
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Adrian Martin
apmartin90
Oct 2, 2006 3:13 pm
Brad, did you cut your trip to Amsterdam short just to return and bait us Farberians ??? You have really comprehensively misread what I was putting forward in ...
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C.P. Czarnecki
cp_czarnecki
Oct 2, 2006 3:25 pm
... You perhaps misunderstood my question or I expressed myself in a wrong way, because I didn't ask how much power those directors got from the studios, but...
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BklynMagus
cinebklyn
Oct 2, 2006 3:44 pm
... it a priority to supervise every phase of their films, and often managed to marshal enough power to do it. The only director I know anything about in this...
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thebradstevens
Oct 2, 2006 3:57 pm
... in ... Farber ... observation' as ... and ... our ... wasn't ... But you were defending this school, or at least suggesting that it had some value, albeit...
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Marc Raymond
mraymond_1918
Oct 2, 2006 4:01 pm
Speaking from my own experience, I agree with Adrian that having some kind of modern art context is essential to understanding Farber's approach. When I first...
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samfilms2003
Oct 2, 2006 4:19 pm
... Not the photography, the display. ... Not sure I follow... ... No, quite contrary. An interesting (and very photochemical / analog !!) variant here is a...
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samfilms2003
Oct 2, 2006 4:42 pm
... Well you can study this by how they shoot, "cover" or do not cover the scenes.... You can't prove in court the cut down to the frame as 'authorship' of...
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Richard Modiano
tharpa2002
Oct 2, 2006 5:31 pm
... "...I didn't ask how much power those directors got from the studios, but how interested they were in aspects like pre- and post-production. There are...
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Edelvision
edelsteindavid
Oct 2, 2006 6:06 pm
Thanks for this eloquent assessment. I found this Gorin and Amos Farber piece, which I hadn't seen. online:...
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Gus Gaumont
cairnsdavid1967
Oct 2, 2006 8:37 pm
Mike Grost wrote: "I agree with much of what Brad is saying about Farber. At the core of the trouble: it is very hard to understand much of what Farber is...
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Marc Raymond
mraymond_1918
Oct 2, 2006 9:00 pm
For deatils on Mixoguchi's shooting methods, see Bordwell's chapter in FIGURES TRACED IN LIGHT. Marc ... ...
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Gus Gaumont
cairnsdavid1967
Oct 2, 2006 9:10 pm
"And so I was wondering: is that the case? Do the non-narrative folk who love Sternberg really have entirely different reasons for appreciating him? Or could ...
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MG4273@...
nzkpzq
Oct 2, 2006 9:23 pm
Lutz Bacher's book, "The Mobile Mise En Scene: A Critical Analysis of the Theory and Practice of the Long Take Camera Movement in the Narrative Film" (1978)...
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Mathieu Ricordi
mathieu_ricordi
Oct 2, 2006 9:41 pm
... David, I can't tell with this statement whether or not you actually like Michael Mann. It seems like you're making him out to be a hack that can film the...
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MG4273@...
nzkpzq
Oct 2, 2006 9:51 pm
Have greatly enjoyed, and learned from, everyone's posts on Manny Farber. I will now retreat to a neutral corner for the next six months. And try to absorb...
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Edelvision
edelsteindavid
Oct 2, 2006 10:03 pm
You've misread me. I find Mann's use of space more interesting than most living directors'. In Miami Vice, he is able to create compositions that I can only...
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Matt Teichman
bufordrat
Oct 2, 2006 10:29 pm
... I take it you had some of my posts in mind. Usually when it comes to story discussions I switch into polemical mode--something which, unfortunately, is...
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Mathieu Ricordi
mathieu_ricordi
Oct 2, 2006 10:41 pm
Thanks for clearing up my misreading... and you're right about what Mann would have brought to "the departed" (although I haven't seen the Scorsese, I take it...
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Richard Modiano
tharpa2002
Oct 2, 2006 10:54 pm
... wrote: "For deatils on Mixoguchi's shooting methods, see Bordwell's chapter in FIGURES TRACED IN LIGHT." What are Bordwell's sources? I ask because he's...
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Adrian Martin
apmartin90
Oct 2, 2006 11:27 pm
Brad! I tried to meet you half-way (that's better than no way, cue The Partridge Family) in this argument, but you have ignored almost every point I tried to...
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r_ram_shankar
Oct 3, 2006 8:24 am
... at all in ... have used in ... artistry in ... What about "Hangmen also die" for narrative film? What about Orson welles' Othello? Hypothetically, what if...
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MG4273@...
nzkpzq
Oct 3, 2006 8:50 am
Among great storytellers, was thinking of Lang and Hitchcock. Much of the classical narrative cinema involves films that are both great works of storytelling,...
