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35755
... I agree with you that the value of non-story elements in movies does not depend on how they elucidate the story. But, as regards your analogy, I don't...
Dan Sallitt
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Mar 1, 2006
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35756
... Grigori Kozintsev agreed. In his "Tragedy of Space", je discussed at length the differencs between presenting Shakespeare on stage and on film. He felt...
Michael E. Kerpan, Jr.
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Mar 1, 2006
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35757
... The dolly in on the TV set in "All That Heaven ... And sometimes it isn't. ... Which is my point. For you the narrative is a "second-class citizen" of art....
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 1, 2006
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35758
... the ... character ... But Brando's performance makes perfect sense in terms of the structure that the film ended up having (which may or may not be the ...
thebradstevens
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Mar 1, 2006
5:23 pm
35759
... I am very suspicious of this kind of generalization in the arts, and this specific statement is not true of some of the very greatest theater work I've...
Fred Camper
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Mar 1, 2006
5:49 pm
35760
Such as artfully placed anachronisms. Paradjanov would place a single, relatively small emblem of the modern world in his period films, such as an umbrella in...
Peter Henne
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Mar 1, 2006
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35761
... It's also fairly basic post-modernism. See Derek Jarman's "Edward II" and Tom Kalin's "Swoon." __________________________________________________ Do You...
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 1, 2006
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35762
... Also Alex Cox's WALKER. Not forgetting that post-modern classic, Brian Hutton's KELLY'S HEROES!...
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Mar 1, 2006
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35763
Getting back to Brad's elegant dispatch of post-modernism in post 35741, the very last thing you could say about Paradjanov's and Jarman's anachronisms is that...
Peter Henne
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Mar 1, 2006
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35764
... And Demy's"Peau D'Ane" where Delphine Seyrig's Fairy Godmother arives by helicopter. Just got ahold of a DVD of Demy's "Lady Oscar" -- which I haven't seen...
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 1, 2006
8:31 pm
35765
... The continuing "dialogue de sourds" between ... I don't see any of my exchanges as escalating, I was trying to ask Brian bigger questions on how he views...
Michael Worrall
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Mar 1, 2006
10:12 pm
35766
... I think there's a good case to be made for relegating narrative (or at least "story," as opposed to "plot") to this status. A story can be useful in...
Matt Teichman
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Mar 1, 2006
10:25 pm
35767
... to ... I ... keep ... This ... ultimately I ... But you will agree that Brian's hatred of Night Moves is so intense that he's not likely to "consider" your...
jpcoursodon
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Mar 1, 2006
11:04 pm
35768
... Narrative is an artform (or artistic practice) without its own medium or material. From my POV this is basically the crux of (e.g.) Fred's distanciation...
Zach Campbell
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Mar 1, 2006
11:16 pm
35769
... Well, I get that. But for my part, I'm not annoyed by the attitudes you've expressed but rather by the film itself, which I just don't think supports the...
Blake Lucas
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Mar 2, 2006
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35770
... But such details,lefft free-floating and "Unencumbered" by narrative are. . .meaningless. "Sans Soleil" is a "recit" as is "Man With a Movie Camera" and...
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 2, 2006
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35771
... BALDERDASH! It has MANY mediums and MANY kinds of material. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail...
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 2, 2006
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35772
... a 'recit'" and taking you to task for using French words (even without an accent aigu). JPC...
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Mar 2, 2006
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35773
... Why don't you guys define "narrative" before throwing custard pies at each other about what it is? JPC...
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Mar 2, 2006
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35774
... If it's a parasite both these statements could be true ;-) -Sam W...
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Mar 2, 2006
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35775
... Media essentialism has been a productive strategy but it's superstition to make it more than that. (Not accusing anyone here of that superstition, but...
John M.
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Mar 2, 2006
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35776
... Tant pis! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around ...
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 2, 2006
3:09 am
35777
... But none "its own." I'm not knocking narrative as an entity or narratives in general, David--you may recall my own lengthy debates with Fred and others on...
Zach Campbell
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Mar 2, 2006
3:33 am
35778
... I'm saying ... "words" -- see the Letterists "sounds" -- see John Cage "paint, celluloid" -- see Brakhage ...
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 2, 2006
3:50 am
35779
... Hold on. It should be clear that I wasn't using "narrative" to mean something as general as "principle of organization," though the term certainly has been...
Matt Teichman
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Mar 2, 2006
3:58 am
35780
... I don't think it's just a "productive strategy." At some level it has to be descriptively accurate--e.g. sculptures can't have long paragraphs, music...
Matt Teichman
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Mar 2, 2006
3:59 am
35781
After Harry leaves his girlfriend (Teri Garr), he is on a ?subway train / bus that has (IMO) an unusually small window (or reflection, or whatever) framing his...
Elizabeth Nolan rr
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Mar 2, 2006
4:11 am
35782
... Sometime the filmmaker just doesn't have the money to create historically correct production design, and gleefully fashions his film accordingly--witness...
Noel Vera
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Mar 2, 2006
4:15 am
35783
That seems to involve the constraints of the media rather than essentialism. The sort of thing I'm thinking of is taking the idea that because the standard...
John M.
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Mar 2, 2006
5:11 am
35784
Also available are Ishmael Bernal's "Relasyon" (An Affair, 1982; one of his best), Lino Brocka's "Macho Dancer" (1988; not one of his best--but second-best ...
Noel Vera
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