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Re: [a_film_by] Re: Auteur Wars, con'td



David Ehrenstein wrote:

>....An auteur creates. Wyler working with Davis can only
>REACT to her presence.....
>

I don't agree with this at all. There's a long tradition in American
auteurism of using the word "auteur" to refer to a director who through
the force of his style imparts meaning and beauty to a project that he
had little creative control over in terms of casting, performances,
script, et cetera..

David, if Seznick is an auteur, do you find it more interesting to
compare "Rebecca" with "Gone With the Wind" than it is to compare
"Rebecca" with "Vertigo"?

About one-shots, I do agree with David that if a film is great enough we
should have no problem calling its director an "auteur." But one
important aspect of auteurism for me is that thinking about the
relationship between different films by the same director illuminate
them and deepens my aesthetic experience of them. Russell Metty is a
terrific cinematographer, but for me thinking about "Written on the
Wind" in relationship to a far different, much earlier and non-Metty
Sirk such as "Summer Storm" is far more useful than thinking about
"Written on the Wind" in relation to "Touch of Evil." The two Sirks
share deep similarities that go to the core of his art and meaning; the
two Mettys share a similar bravura look (not found in "Summer Storm")
that is certainly an important part of the films, but I don't think
nearly as important as what's common to the Sirks.

- Fred C.





Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:43 am

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... David, I don't like Wyler too much, but I don't think this excludes Wyler as being the auteur. From what you describe, "Jezebel" (which I've not seen) is ...
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Mar 21, 2004
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... Not really. An auteur creates. Wyler working with Davis can only REACT to her presence. This is a perfectly acceptable way to make a film, but it's not the...
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 22, 2004
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... I don't agree with this at all. There's a long tradition in American auteurism of using the word "auteur" to refer to a director who through the force of...
Fred Camper
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Mar 22, 2004
12:44 am

... True. But I'd place them on a secondary level. To me a REAL autuer has total control from minute one. ... In some ways, yes. Selznick is about...
David Ehrenstein
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Mar 22, 2004
12:56 am

Dan Sallitt writes: "Implicit in the phrase "Kaufman has become an auteur" is some idea like, "An auteur is a filmmaker of any type who displays a recognizable...
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Mar 22, 2004
1:01 am

... Neither have I seen JEZEBEL, but theoretically, at least, I'd be careful about saying that, provided Wyler's controlling the camera, the film is "about"...
Zach Campbell
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Mar 22, 2004
4:32 am

I suppose this thread has left me wondering what we want to do with cases such as Jonathan Rosenbaum's Monroe anecdote, where in some sense the star appears to...
Matt Teichman
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Mar 22, 2004
8:55 am

The Monroe anecdote is fascinating, but it seems a shaky foundation for drawing conclusions about auteurism. For one thing, what if Monroe was lying? It's...
Robert Keser
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Mar 22, 2004
12:31 pm

... HIGH RISK (the 1995 film by Wong Jing, not the 1999 film by Vincent Kok with Jackie Chan). Warning: this is a particularly crummy film; hardly watchable,...
Matt Teichman
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Mar 22, 2004
7:47 pm

There is such a noticeable difference in quality between Chan's self-directed features, which are fun but not good films, and those where he is directed by...
hotlove666
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Mar 22, 2004
6:32 pm

... CRIME STORY? Hmm...I'm not sure what you see in that film. There's nothing more tiresome than Jackie Chan trying to be serious and dramatic. But I...
Matt Teichman
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Mar 22, 2004
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Matt wrote: > CRIME STORY? Hmm...I'm not sure what you see in that film. There's ... and ... Sammo Hung really only made one ... TWO); PROJECT A, WHEELS ON...
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Thank you for the recommendations (Bill, is it? Or "Hotlove"?) and a provocative reading of CRIME STORY. I hadn't realized THE BIG HIT was one of Kirk...
Matt Teichman
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Mar 23, 2004
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... a ... It's not mine - I got it from Marco Muller, the new head of the Venice Festival, who lived on the mainland for a few years and is an even better...
hotlove666
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Mar 23, 2004
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I think the problem here is what we have in mind when discussing the concept of auteurism. Is it a matter of simple auteur-spotting? If so I guess we could...
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