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Re: Cronenberg's Spider

ptonguette@a... wrote:
I think this level of compassion is in no
> small part achieved by Cronenberg's formal adherence to Spider's
point-of-view
> throughout the film. On the DVD, he talks about how a potentially
more
> naturalistic film gradually became increasingly expressionistic -
expressive, that
> is, of Spider's mind. The way Cronenberg utilizes space to isolate
Spider in
> the world is stunning, particularly that very first shot of the
train pulling
> in.

I think Cronenberg's Crash has its moments of beauty and the whole
film in general is visually interesting. I liked how he used cold and
metallic reds, blues and grays to create a texture that is both
intriguing and distancing at same time.

Unfortunately, I cannot say I found anything that was visually
interesting in his Spider. To me it seemed like the film was not
expressionistic at all and his only achievement was creating the
right atmosphere for the story to unfold.

It is possible that I missed something so, Peter, it would be great
if you can elaborate on what you mean by "the way Cronenberg
utilizes
space to isolate Spider in the world" because to me it seemed
like
Cronenberg didn't even know what "use of space" was. I
agree that the
first shot was interesting but the next shot he cut to
(unfortunately, i don't remember what it was) made me think he
had no
idea about what he was doing. And that happened a lot throughout the
film.

I should add that I liked the story a lot and was even moved by it. I
really identified with the character, so much so that I really wanted
to smoke cigarettes the way he does after the film (and I don't
even
smoke cigarettes). The whole "psychological game" the film
plays with
its audience is also interesting. However, these are all narrative
achievements, they have nothing expressive about them and they are
not enough to make me think it is a good film.

Yoel





Thu Jul 31, 2003 3:13 pm

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I wonder if anyone better versed in music than I can identify the classical piece used at the opening of David Cronenberg's "Spider"? On the commentary track...
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peter_tonguette Offline Send Email
Jul 31, 2003
6:08 am

... It didn't seem to go over all that well either with audiences or critics, but I felt that it had the strongest and purest level of compassion that I'd ever...
Joseph Kaufman
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Jul 31, 2003
6:38 am

First, a warning -- if you haven't seen Spider, there is a spoiler to follow, but if I don't discuss the single most important plot twist in the film, what I'm...
George Robinson
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Jul 31, 2003
6:45 am

... That certainly comes through in the finished film. There's just an incredible sense of sympathy in the way this damaged life is portrayed. And it's ...
ptonguette@...
peter_tonguette Offline Send Email
Jul 31, 2003
8:12 am

ptonguette@a... wrote: I think this level of compassion is in no ... point-of-view ... more ... expressive, that ... Spider in ... train pulling ... I think...
Yoel Meranda
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Jul 31, 2003
3:13 pm

... I guess I have mixed feelings about the film, though I'd really like to see it again sometime. I guess my biggest reservation has something to do with the...
Dan Sallitt
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Jul 31, 2003
11:55 am

... Ask and ye shall receive... Seriously, I think I had a slightly similar reaction when I first saw the film. I loved it, but I don't know that Cronenberg's...
ptonguette@...
peter_tonguette Offline Send Email
Jul 31, 2003
6:16 pm

Peter, Thanks for your comments on Spider. I saw some of what you mentioned while I was watching the film. I personally feel that your comments still confirm...
Yoel Meranda
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Aug 1, 2003
12:24 pm

Yoel, Your example of the sort of formal expression Hitchcock utilizes in "North by Northwest" is a great one. What's going on in "Spider" is surely less ...
ptonguette@...
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Aug 2, 2003
12:14 am

... including "eXistenZ," so perhaps I ... EXISTENZ is actually the only post-DEAD RINGERS Cronenberg I've seen, unless parts of CRASH on cable (before I...
Zach Campbell
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Aug 2, 2003
4:41 am

... I actually prefer early Cronenberg (SCANNERS and before) to later. I must confess that I do not understand what everyone else in the world sees in DEAD...
Dan Sallitt
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Aug 2, 2003
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