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NIGHT and FOG (regarding The Passion)   Message List  
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Re: [a_film_by] NIGHT and FOG (regarding The Passion)

I think the film "Shoah" constitutes a pretty eloquent argument against
ever using footage of concentration camps and corpses, or so I try to
argue at http://www.fredcamper.com/Film/Lanzmann.html By constructing a
nine and a half hour documentary about something that's never shown,
Lanazmann represents the true meaning of the Shoah not as bodies (which
really don't have much to do with the living people that once inhabited
them) but as an absence. It seems to me an almost immutable principle of
cinema that the viewer tends to identify, in a positive sense, with the
things seen -- rooting for the bad guy being the common phenomenon. So
while Resnais's corpse footage certainly causes revulsion at the
inhumanity of it all, at the same time the viewer of corpses is put in
the position of the Nazi murderers who created them, and who are their
only true owners. The film was certainly appropriate for a time when
people wanted to forget all this, and his montage serves as an intrusive
reminder, but the power of intrusive Shoah footage is I think more
profoundly evoked in the great Nuremberg movie-watching scene in
Fuller's "Verboten," in the cutting between the images and the boy's
face which represents as only Fuller can a clash of conscoiusnessess,
the way violence represents an impingement on identity.

- Fred




Thu Mar 4, 2004 5:05 pm

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Last night I re-saw NIGHT and FOG and listened to Resnais' comments for the first time (a CRITERION COLLECTION release). Resnais said some thought the 30...
Elizabeth Anne Nolan
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Mar 4, 2004
4:38 pm

I think the film "Shoah" constitutes a pretty eloquent argument against ever using footage of concentration camps and corpses, or so I try to argue at...
Fred Camper
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Mar 4, 2004
5:05 pm

I know of but have not seen SHOAH. Interesting sentence, befitting the topic of discussion. I can agree with your sentiments. I once commented on a...
Elizabeth Anne Nolan
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Mar 5, 2004
12:01 am

... wrote: "Absence is often more apparent than something blaring on the screen." As I recall, the victims are never explicitly identified as Jews in NIGHT AND...
Richard Modiano
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Mar 5, 2004
2:29 am

The stills show victims with the Star of David, as well as others, including common criminals, those with deformities, and other defectives....
Elizabeth Anne Nolan
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Mar 5, 2004
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