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Re: Capturing the Fog of Documentary "Truth"

David, didn't you write a couple of weeks ago that "there is no such
thing as revealed truth in cinema"? Not that I'm trying to catch you
out, but I'm curious about how you reconcile your insistence on facts
here with your scepticism in other contexts.

I think of Morris as a good journalist with some unfortunate arty
pretensions -- I wish he'd concentrate on his often fascinating
subjects without trying to turn every movie into a "philosophical"
investigation of the nature of truth, etc. It does depend what you
want out of a movie, but to most people McNamara is probably more
interesting as a foreign policy player than as a human enigma, and
rightly so.

JTW




Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:12 am

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