I think Dan is right on target about what auteurism contributed. An
addendum, though:
Dan Sallitt wrote:
> no one had any trouble dealing with Griffith, von
>Stroheim, and Eisenstein before auteurism.
>
I think maybe auteurism was needed to appreciate some *late* Griffiths.
Something like "Isn't Life Wonderful," which isn't particularly
consciously artful, is my favorite Griffith up until that time. And then
there's the generally reviled "The Struggle," which I think is great. A
key early moment for me was going to the MoMA's Griffith retrospective,
I believe in the summer of 1964, and reading about his "decline" in the
catalogue and elsewhere, and then seeing the counter-evidence on the
screen: "Orphans of the Storm," "The Sorrows of Satan," "Abraham
Lincoln" -- all of them, really.
To Bill, definitions would be great. Thanks in advance. To all, perhaps we should gradually construct a FAQ for our group? ("FAQ" = a very common 'Net term for...
Do the people you talk with watch many silent movies? It is hard to look at the visual glories of Griffith, Eisenstein, Sternberg, Stroheim, Keaton, etc, and...
... the ... Pretty interesting discussion, though I got exhausted well before the end. One thing that struck me was the mention of Paddy Chayevsky, who also...
... Chayevsky is the auteur of all the films written by him with the exception of "Altered States." Cromwell and Lumet are both very fine directors (and...
... Do you ever know any other way to put things? ... Obviously a strong writer will overpower a weak director. But that doesn't make the writer an auteur....
... You act as if there's something "unnatural" about this. It doesn't "diminish" the work in question at all. It's a simple fact of film history and...
... What's incorrext or nonsensical about it? Chayevsky didn't just write "Network" -- he produced it. He HIRED Sidney Lumet to direct his script and had ...
... I mean, could you support your argument with another film? I mean, the circumstances you describe would seem to support auteurism because the strong and...
... Look at "The Best Man" -- written and produced by Gore Vidal and directed by Franklin Schaffner. Not bland at all. ... Right. Much like Russell's...
... I'll check it out when I get a chance. ... I disagree and feel you're misusing the term, but you know I think that. ... Straw man. Never said that. -Jaime...
... See, I take issue with Meyers' assumption that there is an innate dominance at work within any particular movie. And she's far from the only one who talks...
... at their ... r how many ... eur of THE ... "I think ... an aesthetic ... Chayevsky is the major creative force behind The Hospital, but well that´s true...
... I ... Nope. "The In-Laws" -- and Andrew Bergman film directed by Arthur Hiller -- is superiror. I ... Or not. __________________________________ Do you...
I think I agree with both David and Jaime here, if that's possible. I saw "Network" on its initial release. I enjoyed it mildly for the bitter and telling...
... to rate "Network" as a bad film ... and ... dogma, and I've found very few exceptions. ... Fred, arguing with himself: Aren't you contradicting yourself...
... I don't consider Chuck Walters to be an auteur, Fred. or who Bertolucci boffed during which ... Or Allen Midgette either. Maybe it will be healthy for our...
... As we've discussed before, "auteur" can mean "great director who is the author of his films," but it can also mean "director who is clearly the author of...
... Obviously, having power over a film is very important. But this idea way pre-dates auteurism. America has always lavished attention on powerful directors...
... What's more or less original about auteurism ... And then they might NOT. I'm perfectlyaware of the fac that this is Absolute Sacrilege, but Howard hawks...
... Excellent observation as usual, Dan. We should really slide away from the "X is *really* the auteur" statements (and even, "X and Y are both the real...
... there's at least one other member of this group who is willing to join in the absolute sacrilege -- myself. There are three, maybe four Hawks films I love...
... -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com...
Tosh
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Feb 13, 2004 4:41 am
... Sure, but...? No one would disagree with this. ... Sacrilege is fine - I certainly don't like every director in the auteurist canon. But I'm trying to...
I think Dan is right on target about what auteurism contributed. An addendum, though: ... I think maybe auteurism was needed to appreciate some *late*...
... I always found Dan's formulation to be extremely useful, that the auteur theory isn't really a theory so much as an aesthetic. As such it allows that...
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