I think I agree with both David and Jaime here, if that's possible. I
saw "Network" on its initial release. I enjoyed it mildly for the bitter
and telling script (and if that's the origin of the "I'm mad as hell and
I'm not gonna take it anymore" line, then Cheyevsky gave us a line that
has made it into the culture, but, ironically, without his intended
irony) but hated the direction, which seemed visually mindless. So
because Lumet is so bland, Cheyevsky's script was the element that stood
out.
But, per Dan, because auteurism is an "aesthetic" for me, I also have to
rate "Network" as a bad film from an aesthetic point of view, even if
worth recommending for elements within it. The director was asleep at
the switch, and had nothing to offer except making the script into a
picture-book, and with none of the skills of the great book illustrators
of the past such as Gustave Dore. For me a film becomes a work of art
only when its images are organized into visual expression. I don't like
dogmas, and exceptions are possible, but because my auteurism was
arrived at empirically I think it's not a dogma, and I've found very few
exceptions.
Now for someone who values script or acting as much as anything a
director might contribute, an aesthetic such as mine (or, perhaps, Dan's
and Jaime's) makes no sense. But I'd question whether that person is
really a 99 and 44/100ths per cent pure (quoting an old soap advertising
line) auteurist. The whole point of auteurism, as far as I'm concerned,
is to say that by and large and most of the time if a film is great it's
great because the director has created an emotionally powerful,
intellectually engaging, visually expressive and even beautiful work of
art. And the kinds of things a director can add can really not be added
by other crew members, as already discussed here many times.
To Bill, definitions would be great. Thanks in advance. To all, perhaps we should gradually construct a FAQ for our group? ("FAQ" = a very common 'Net term for...
Do the people you talk with watch many silent movies? It is hard to look at the visual glories of Griffith, Eisenstein, Sternberg, Stroheim, Keaton, etc, and...
... the ... Pretty interesting discussion, though I got exhausted well before the end. One thing that struck me was the mention of Paddy Chayevsky, who also...
... Chayevsky is the auteur of all the films written by him with the exception of "Altered States." Cromwell and Lumet are both very fine directors (and...
... Do you ever know any other way to put things? ... Obviously a strong writer will overpower a weak director. But that doesn't make the writer an auteur....
... You act as if there's something "unnatural" about this. It doesn't "diminish" the work in question at all. It's a simple fact of film history and...
... What's incorrext or nonsensical about it? Chayevsky didn't just write "Network" -- he produced it. He HIRED Sidney Lumet to direct his script and had ...
... I mean, could you support your argument with another film? I mean, the circumstances you describe would seem to support auteurism because the strong and...
... Look at "The Best Man" -- written and produced by Gore Vidal and directed by Franklin Schaffner. Not bland at all. ... Right. Much like Russell's...
... I'll check it out when I get a chance. ... I disagree and feel you're misusing the term, but you know I think that. ... Straw man. Never said that. -Jaime...
... See, I take issue with Meyers' assumption that there is an innate dominance at work within any particular movie. And she's far from the only one who talks...
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I think I agree with both David and Jaime here, if that's possible. I saw "Network" on its initial release. I enjoyed it mildly for the bitter and telling...
... to rate "Network" as a bad film ... and ... dogma, and I've found very few exceptions. ... Fred, arguing with himself: Aren't you contradicting yourself...
... I don't consider Chuck Walters to be an auteur, Fred. or who Bertolucci boffed during which ... Or Allen Midgette either. Maybe it will be healthy for our...
... As we've discussed before, "auteur" can mean "great director who is the author of his films," but it can also mean "director who is clearly the author of...
... Obviously, having power over a film is very important. But this idea way pre-dates auteurism. America has always lavished attention on powerful directors...
... What's more or less original about auteurism ... And then they might NOT. I'm perfectlyaware of the fac that this is Absolute Sacrilege, but Howard hawks...
... Excellent observation as usual, Dan. We should really slide away from the "X is *really* the auteur" statements (and even, "X and Y are both the real...
... there's at least one other member of this group who is willing to join in the absolute sacrilege -- myself. There are three, maybe four Hawks films I love...
... -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com...
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... Sure, but...? No one would disagree with this. ... Sacrilege is fine - I certainly don't like every director in the auteurist canon. But I'm trying to...
I think Dan is right on target about what auteurism contributed. An addendum, though: ... I think maybe auteurism was needed to appreciate some *late*...
... I always found Dan's formulation to be extremely useful, that the auteur theory isn't really a theory so much as an aesthetic. As such it allows that...