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Re: [a_film_by] Re: Director books

samfilms2003 wrote:

>
> > "But actually, in the subtle camera movements and complex relationships
> > between areas of color in 'Some Came Running' and 'Home From the Hil'"
> > can be found the profoundest commentary on bourgeois American life this
> > side of Douglas Sirk...".
>
> Well if they understand what you mean by "this side of Douglas Sirk"
> in the first place
> maybe you're case won't be that hard to make....


Who wrote the line you quote?

Sirk is considered by some people who don't know his work and prefer to
regurgitate clichés from others who don't know his work to the effect
that Sirk was making commentary on bourgeois American l life --
specifically, they mean acidic commentary, since (as we know) it's
difficult to think of any American filmmaker who has not made commentary
on bourgeois American life. If you see Todd Haynes's Far from Heaven
you can see a vomitosious parody of Sirk that is, in fact, exactly the
sort of commentary on bourgeois American life that Sirk never did and
which regurgitators have decreed as though it were a truism to be the
essence of Sirk himself.

There's a certain type of critic who finds "profound" and
"anti-bourgeois" to be indistinguishable.

>




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... says. ... about movies (and mostly directors) they are not likely to disagree a lot about the movies and directors they are going to discuss. A book by two...
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... "Far From Heaven" is NOT a parody of Sirk.It's a revisiting of his themes combined with a revisiting of aspects of Ophuls' American works -- particularly...
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I love Halliday's book. But it should be noted that: a) Sirk wouldn't allow him to tape, so every word attributed to Sirk is from notes Halliday wrote down...
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