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Re: [a_film_by] Re: Space for its own sake

It occasionally seems to me that space underwent a terrible
deterioration in the 1950s. It eventually became impossible to compose
space in definition with the frame, because there was no way to control
or predict how, in projectio or broadcast, an image would be cropped.
If you study John Ford, one remarkable aspect is how crucially his
internal lines and angles (arguably the most geometrically obsessive
filmmaker ever!) are composed in terms of a definite rectangle. If you
alter that rectangle, terrible and unexpected catastrophes befall his
movies -- disastrous not only when Academy-ratio pictures are cropped,
but equally (or more so) when wider-ratio pictures are not cropped.
16mm print editions of Horse Soldiers and Donovan's Reef (as also of,
say, Sirk's Imitation of Life) didn't just crop off a bit of the sides,
they also added significant amounts of headroom and footroom, which
results, curiously, in a two hour movie sometimes behaving like a three
hour movie, proving the interchangeability of space and time and the
limited dimension thus far of this topic.




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... This is something I've wrestled with a lot lately.  Can (or should) we enjoy a filmmaker's space for its own sake, divorced from a film's ostensible ...
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Nov 2, 2003
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"Elephant" is ENTIRELY about "space for its own sake." Losey is also space-centric: "The Damned," "Eve," Servant," "Modesty Blaise," "Boom!" "Secret...
David Ehrenstein
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Nov 2, 2003
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Isn't "space for its own sake" the common under laying element of film that is shared by both narrative and non-narrative movies? I would also say that the...
Richard Modiano
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Nov 2, 2003
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"Isn't "space for its own sake" the common under laying element of film that is shared by both narrative and non-narrative movies?" It all depends. "The Blue...
David Ehrenstein
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Nov 2, 2003
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... ...and both '2001' and 'Once Upon a Time in the West' wouldn't be much longer. Indeed, Sergio Leone is a very good example of a director whose spatial...
Michael Brooke
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Nov 2, 2003
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... I agree with you on Losey (the ones I've seen anyway.) But I guess my other point was that I think it might be profitable to look at ALL great movies this...
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Nov 2, 2003
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Peter Tonguette wrote: > This is something I've wrestled with a lot lately.  Can (or should) we en= joy a filmmaker's space for its own sake, divorced from...
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Nov 2, 2003
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I think ONLY this list can help me out. I am looking for any films that are shot in the Saint-Germain-des-Pres section of Paris. Especially around the time of...
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One of the episodes of "Paris vu Par" (aka "Six in Paris") was devoted to St Germain des Pres. And I believe a film was made of "L'Ecume des jours." "Around...
David Ehrenstein
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One, I want to thank everyone on the list who responded to my question about films made or about Saint-Germain-des-Pres. THe answers have been really helpful!...
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... now. ... "Foam of the Daze"? A punning title? But what does it mean? Vian is tough to translate, but it's a challenge. You should tackle his collection of...
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... I think Les Fourmis was translated in a collection of his short stores 'Blues for a Black Cat & Other Stories' edited and translated by Julie Older. Back...
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... Spike Lee (School Daze). "The Foam of Days" is a fine title both in French and English, why tamper with it? JPC ... translated ... I didn't know that. One...
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L'Ecume des jours is sort of a hard poetic title to translate. There were two early English translations in the past: One was british: Froth on the Daydream...
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... It's not from the 40s or 50s, but The Mother And The Whore contains scenes shot at Les Deux Magots and Cafe Flores. I haven't seen it -- Anthony Hopkins...
Damien Bona
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As I recall, Le Feu Follet has a number of scenes with people hanging out at Saint-Germain-des-Pres cafés. --Robert Keser ... films...
Robert Keser
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... I think I have the perfect film for you: RENDEZ-VOUS DE JUILLET by Jacques Becker, the only film I can think of that gets the sound of a real music club...
Dan Sallitt
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... I haven't seen this, but it sounds like it might have some of what you're after: http://frenchfilms.topcities.com/nf_Pigalle_St_Germain_rev.html Melville's...
Nick Wrigley
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Actually almost all those clubs (jazz clubs) were located on the left bank, at least in the late forties-early fifties, and most of them in Saint Germain des...
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... I was thinking of suggesting this terrific film too (and it has been on videotape), but wasn't positive of the location -- but I see that several Web...
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Nov 3, 2003
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... ostensible ... Well, time and space are really what we're working with here: the fundamental axes of the medium. The extent to which a filmmaker addresses...
Zach Campbell
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Nov 2, 2003
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There are many truly dramatic spacial configurations in Mulligan's film of Gavin Lambert's "Inside Daisy Clover." (Gavin's currently working on a bio of...
David Ehrenstein
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... own sake, ... its own. ... we enjoy ... ostensible ... films?  My ... because it seems to me ... ones who love ... richly ... I'm not quite sure what the...
Damien Bona
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I vote for space for the sake of something - as in Ozu....
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Nov 2, 2003
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Isn't "space for it's own sake" for the sake of some "thing"? Thanks for the Kubelka post, Fred, I look forward to the chance to see those films again (except...
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[My first attempt at posting this got cut off by the Yahoo! interface, but that's just as well since I had some additional thoughts.] ... I'll get back to Jake...
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It occasionally seems to me that space underwent a terrible deterioration in the 1950s. It eventually became impossible to compose space in definition with...
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