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Re: [a_film_by] a character who is not subordinated to an idea

I think this is what directors aim for in their late movies. Mitry used
to say that Ford's people start out as stereotypes but then surpass the
type. Gets truer as time goes on. In some late Renoir, a constant aim
in Rossellini, von Sternberg, Ophuls...

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> > From: "jpcoursodon" <jpcoursodon@...>
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> > But can you give me an example of a character who is not
> > subordinated to an idea? Isn't there always an idea at the start of a
> > character?
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Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:20 pm

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... Whether a character is subordinated to an idea seems to depend on what the idea is. Comic ideas seem to subordinate the character to the idea, while...	Elizabeth Nolan eanmdphd	Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
I think this is what directors aim for in their late movies. Mitry used to say that Ford's people start out as stereotypes but then surpass the type. Gets...	Tag Gallagher tagtagta	Oct 27, 2003 9:20 pm
An "idea" is not a stereotype. What i meant is that characters don't just "happen", they are fashioned for some reason. And by "idea" I don't mean that they...	jpcoursodon	Oct 28, 2003 12:12 am
... If I'm reading him right, the gist of Dan's objection to Kanin & Gordon's scripts is that they tend to be too schematically "high concept". ADAM'S RIB and...	jaketwilson	Oct 28, 2003 12:34 am
... characters ... express ... (when ... tried ... I don't know what "high concept" means. I don't care whether I can "pitch" the fanciful gimmick of anything...	jpcoursodon	Oct 28, 2003 2:48 am
A stereotype is an implementation of an idea. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying that all the moviemakers I cited start out with an "idea" but that the...	Tag Gallagher tagtagta	Oct 28, 2003 2:09 am
... Yes, and that the high concept interferes with the characters. What does it say about Gladys Glover that she saves her money to put her name on a...	Dan Sallitt sallitt1	Oct 28, 2003 3:47 am
Where the archetype is either a single or combined imagery distilled into an ideal, the stereotype is a distilled type relying on the unconscious imagery the...	Henrik Sylow henrik_sylow	Oct 28, 2003 11:46 am

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