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Re: [a_film_by] Problems with auteurism II: Editing

Don't say such things until you've seen them in decent prints. You've
been lied to and betrayed and deceived all your life by evil people
showing you wretched dupes of dupes of dupes. And the American edition
of OPEN CITY replaces the gorgeous maintitle sequence of the original
completely (but not in England). The technical quality is awesome if
you see a decent print.

A lot of assine American film criticism of "neo-realism" has been based
on the supposedly "authentic" look of wretched dupes.

Rick Segreda wrote:

> The technical quality of some of Renoir and Rosselini's movies isn't
> very good, but has any audience been less than bowled over by "Open City?"
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Henrik Sylow <henrik_sylow@...> wrote: What all good directors do is trusting the team behind them. They are as a conductor, not only making sure that...
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Don't say such things until you've seen them in decent prints. You've been lied to and betrayed and deceived all your life by evil people showing you wretched...
Tag Gallagher
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Oct 19, 2003
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This proves my point; "Open City" completely blew me away as an awesome movie; the acting (espicially the incomparable Anna Magnani) and the story really got...
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That's great, Rick. I had gotten your point and am glad you got such a bang out it. Rossellini's movies are pure emotion and feeling and mood. Could you tell...
Tag Gallagher
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This resurrects ancient arguments that I thought Andre Bazin settled in the 1950's. But I am curious, Tag; "Potemkin" is a silent movie with no dialogue, and a...
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Oct 19, 2003
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Saying that "Editing is by far the most important element of film making" will be hard to defend, Henrik. The sole cut at the end of Russian Ark does not...
Robert Keser
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Oct 19, 2003
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Editing is the most important element in "Strike" and "Potemkin", and the least important in "India Song" or early Warhol. It all depends. But more seriously,...
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Oct 19, 2003
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Life itself is a stream of choices, so how can cinema be any different? But taking this philosophical viewpoint also results in erasing real differences. Is a...
Robert Keser
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Oct 19, 2003
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As to whether a film can be "saved in the editing," the discussion here is once again impoverished by taking commercial narrative cinema as the sole reference...
Fred Camper
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Oct 19, 2003
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... and acting, I saw a stunning 35mm print Brakhage's "The Dante Quartet" at the NYFF today, and you're right - that Dante Alighieri was one helluva...
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Oct 20, 2003
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What ?! New Rose Hotel was the best. Has no one here but me seen it?...
Tag Gallagher
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Oct 18, 2003
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... Well, I'm barely familiar with Ferrara, Tag, so I haven't. I need to do something about that soon, though. But I think Jonathan rated it highly in his...
Peter Tonguette
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Oct 18, 2003
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- Tag has been raving about New Rose Hotel for so long that I finally broke down and got the DVD. I'll watch it any day now. But Peter, "Man in the Moon" best...
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Oct 18, 2003
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... Hmm. I think I could come up with several which I might place above it on a given day, but definitely not several dozen! (Those "several" would probably...
Peter Tonguette
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... on! ... think ... above ... (Those "several" ... Rose ... better ... I think it's absurd to say that a great film is "better" than another great film. I...
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... I love "New Rose Hotel," but I wonder whether too much would be lost watching it on TV, since what impressed me above all about the film is its physical...
Paul Gallagher
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Oct 18, 2003
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Tag says that there are only three or four films that should be seen on the big screen only. New Rose Hotel is not among them. JPC...
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... Now I have to know what those three or four films are! Paul...
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... be ... One is Stromboli. I have to look up the others. JPC...
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... I liked King of New York, Bad Lieutenant, Ms.45, and Body Snatchers a lot. Rx Xmas seemed pretty weak, in comparison. I haven't seen New Rose Hotel (not...
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Take it down off the shelf, Robert! "The Addiction" is one of his very best films! ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo!...
David Ehrenstein
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The DVD is excellent. The VHS is to be avoided....
Tag Gallagher
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Some films which I don't think have been mentioned yet: An Angel At My Table (Jane Campion) Impulse (Sondra Locke) A Midnight Clear (Keith Gordon) 32 Short...
Damien Bona
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Oct 18, 2003
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Right on, David! But it's a difficult movie to swallow and the ending poses all sorts of challenges. How to do you understand it? (My own interpretation is at...
Tag Gallagher
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Oct 18, 2003
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I don't quite no what to say, because Ferrara for me is about an overall mood rather than a story with an ending that produces meaning. ... ...
David Ehrenstein
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That's not a problem for me. Do you feel his moods have modal meaning? Do you feel they is any modal logical to the order in which he places his modal...
Tag Gallagher
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Oct 18, 2003
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Let's just say that Ferrara is a believing Catholic who's nonetheless highly conflicted about his beliefs. His films might be said to all be about redeemed ...
David Ehrenstein
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In a message dated 10/18/2003 18:21:28 Eastern Daylight Time, ... For years, I didn't rank my lists either and there are several critics and cinephiles I...
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... I'm quite shocked to hear this. I would have thought that most people, if not everyone, on this list would be vehemently opposed to the idea that only ...
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... I'm quite shocked to hear this. I would have thought that most people, if not everyone, on this list would be vehemently opposed to the idea that only ...
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