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Re: [a_film_by] Cinema, taste, merit (was Re: varying...)


--- Richard Modiano <tharpa2002@...> wrote:


>
> And then there are non-artistic considerations that
> are also of
> interest to some cinephiles, ideology for example or
> racial or sexual
> portrayals. These issues are of interest to me for
> personal reasons
> (such as my cross-cultural background, my gay
> brother, my non-white
> significant other)and come into play when I see
> movies. But I do
> believe that the greatest artworks transcend these
> issues which exist
> as subsidiary elements in the larger work.
>


I'm not entirely sure that's true. Our tastes aren't
acquired in a vaccum. And art isn't unsullied by
ideology.

Ever.




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... "Most of my analysis of the film talks about framing and editing and (gulp!) acting in terms that, while not precisely Bazinian, certainly depend on...
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... I'm not entirely sure that's true. Our tastes aren't acquired in a vaccum. And art isn't unsullied by ideology. Ever. __________________________________ Do...
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... But I do ... Agree. I'm also worried by the transcendental terminology, even if it isn't being used "seriously." Since Fred is in the middle of the ...
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... wrote: "I'm not entirely sure that's true. Our tastes aren't acquired in a vaccum. And art isn't unsullied by ideology. "Ever." You're right of course, but...
Richard Modiano
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In reply to Patrick ( http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/20231 ), I don't claim to be totally free of my own biases; no one is. I *try* to ...
Fred Camper
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... same ... Indeed a great note by Fred, which made me think about what I want from film. I find myself drifting more and more towards films by directors who ...
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... wrote: a film like "American Splendor" also is about real ... only ... The only film i've had that delayed reaction to was Harry and Son. Anyone else ever...
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This has been an engaging thread. I've been hesitant to jump in because I don't really believe in such things as "form" and "content." Nonetheless... Fred's...
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... Yes, I was talking about your posts here (though hopefully not cauterizing them!). Though I have read some of your other work, I've been quite lax in...
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... bone. ... Gance said that audiences' hearts would be open to the poetry of his Napoleon because their heads would be satisfied about the truth of the tale ...
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... I wonder when I'll ever catch up with my email, so maybe I'll jump in again without knowing how the conversation has evolved. I don't mean this as any kind...
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... This is the heart of Rivette's complaint about Minnelli and why he finds him inferior to Walters. But it arose entirely out of Rivete's personal experience...
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... Clarify, David: He thought Minnelli was too controlling or not enough? Where did this polemic appear?...
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... Not enough. It was a recent interview in "Senses of Cinema." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail...
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... I think that the reason ... doesn't ... nothing ... the ... This is true re: Fred, I think, but not necessarily re: auteurism. Certainly the French...
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... When I took my first film classes at Harvard in 1973-74, Brakhage films were shown (courtesy of Alfred Guzzetti, I think). And this was in the days when...
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... P. Adams Sitney invited Brakhage and others to show films at my college at Yale in 1967....
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... I just read that Donald Richie was Curator of Film at MoMA from 1969-72 (in his excellent JAPAN JOURNALS 1947-2004 book). - Complete change of subject. Has...
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One suspects that this book helped, too: "An Introduction to the American Underground Film" (1967) by Sheldon Renan This was a $2.25 paperback original, from...
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