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1.Directors interpret scripts - even their own. When Joe Dante
decided to film the approach to the house in "It's a Good Life" set
against a backdrop of burned trees, he was interpreting Matheson's
script and even his career by identifying that house with the one in
Usher, also scripted by Matheson. I again quote Jean-Claude Biette's
conclusion to his piece on Wichita: "The job of the director is to
get the mosr out of the script - psychologically, morally,
ideologically. I can imagine no other definition of 'mise-en-scene.'

2. Directors have lots of input into the script-writing process, and
often continue making director's rewrites during shooting. This can
range from Cronenberg rewriter Poague's ghastly script for The Fly
and just not taking credit to sitting in the room every day together
(Welles and Manckiewicz, co-credited on Kane), to sitting with the
writer till a 65-pp treatment with detailed scene renditions is on
paper (Hitchcock), then reading drafts and giving "notes." Everyone
thought it was some kind of surrealist gesture when Resnais said he
followed Robbe-Grillet's Marienbad script closely, but AR pointed out
at the time that the way they worked on the script was SOP in
Hollywood.

There's a pricey French book which I wish we could have in English
comparing all versions of The Big Heat from book to film - The Double
Scenario of Fritz Lang - to show how mise-en-scene really begins at
the script stage, and writing continues in production and post-
production. Conversely, there's a funny article you can find in the
Herrick by a school teacher called "Rear Window: A Film by John
Michael Hayes," entirely based on the fact that there was a script
and Hayes'was the only name on it. Read the Cahiers Young Mr. Lincoln
piece for what this meant in that instance.

3. Look at M. Lange and Lumiere d'Ete, by two very distinctive film
authors, and tell me that Prevert is the author of those films.

4. Donen is a special case because his collaborators on the musicals
are so visible, and often co-signed. (Did you know, by the way, that
the sound of Kelly dancing was often looped by Donen, who was also a
dancer?) He pays tribute to collaborators more than anyone - look at
his Oscar speech - but he is also a lifelong technical innovator, and
I'd be careful about atributing any technical innovation in a Donen
film to Avedon or anyone else. Compare Donen to Sidney (also a
technical wiz, also at MGM) and it's night and day. I like both, but
Harvey Girls is definitely a small pleasure next to Singin' or Fair
Weather. And the latter are different in kind from The Bandwagon and
An American in Paris. That scale is a scale of film authors, from
minor to good to great, and it will continue to be constructed and
written about that way for the same reason that that school teacher
didn't do a follow-up article called "Peyton Place: A Film by John
Michael Hayes."

5. I love Evan Hunter's books as Ed McBain, and I just had the
pleasure of watching for the first time Strangers When We Meet, which
he adaptated from his novel. I'd say there's more Hunter in that film
than in The Birds, for obvious reasons, but I can tell without
reading it what the book would be like, and it would have few of the
qualities that make SWWM Quine's best film. However it was written,
it's Quine's handling of the party scene, ably executed by a great
ensemble cast, that makes the magic, not Hunter's cliched speeches
about crabgrass. Hats off to Hunter, whom Hitchcock considered a real
writer, capable of inventing stories and characters, and not just a
technician, but the visual plan of that party is the kind of blood in
the water I move toward - and I'm an old English major!




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1.Directors interpret scripts - even their own. When Joe Dante decided to film the approach to the house in "It's a Good Life" set against a backdrop of burned...
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Joe Dante, by the way, has pointedly declined to take a possessive credit on his films. They're "directed by Joe Dante" not "a Joe Dante film" -- even though...
David Ehrenstein
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Sep 9, 2003
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... in ... Biette's ... I find the word "interpretation" misleading, since I think of film direction as, at least in certain films, a creative act. It's also ...
Paul Gallagher
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... Maybe more like the way a portrait painter "interprets" his or her model? ... implies ... I don't understand the viewpoint that looks down on narrative (as...
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... I think it would be more accurate to locate the essential split not in "theater/literature vs. painting/visual art" so much as in "representation vs....
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Sep 10, 2003
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In reply to Jason & Paul's very interesting posts (1875 and 1881): Cinema as a bastard art? Well, most arts are "bastard" in the sense of being contingent...
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... in ... Do people agree? If people say there's nothing fundementally new in criticism, it seems to imply there's nothing fundamentally new in art (it's all...
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Glad you reprinted that here. Ray was a great critic and a superb literary stylist. ... === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you...
David Ehrenstein
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... He was a wonderful writer! "Auteurs and Dream Factories" originally appeared in a 1965 issue of Films and Filming, and it was reprinted in "Durgnat on...
Paul Gallagher
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Here's a speech by Roger Leenhardt that might complement Durgnat's article. Another view on how film criticism had changed. AMBIGUITY OF THE CINEMA Cahiers du...
Paul Gallagher
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Thanks to Paul for posting these very valuable articles. Durgnat is a hero of mine (what was that idea about everything having been said before, but better?). ...
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... Well, the identity and personality of the model is of interest. A person sitting for a portrait might think that his or her particular beauty is the source...
Paul Gallagher
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I don't object to David's use of "interpretation" for what a director does as long as interpretation is understood as a creative act, and not in a narrow way....
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Glad you brought up Herrmann, who I'm sure everyone would agree is far more than just another film composer. ... __________________________________ Do you...
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Hello: I've read many posts here with interest and, sometimes, admiration. This is my first post. I know it's an old topic, but it interests me. The sense in...
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... class ... because ... two ... Welcome Chris! This is, I think, the linchpin of auteurism and its importance to understanding film. The debate awhile back...
Patrick Ciccone
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... I don't think it's possible to make this statement without a deep, profound, widespread and all pervasive unfamiliarity with American movie criticism prior...
Tag Gallagher
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... think on ... movie ... Which works of criticism do you have in mind? In the history of film criticism, when have fundamentally new critical approaches...
Paul Gallagher
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... think on ... movie ... Thanks Tag, I admit as such, and should qualify that auteurism has always been, and remains more a method of analysis more relevant...
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I understand you to be asking two questions. One is where is all the wonderful pre-www2 movie criticism in English, French and Italian. A fair answer would...
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... magazines, ... of ... them, ... [...] ... and ... the ... Again, I profess ignorance of most of this period of criticism, but my point was never that the...
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... the ... A ... the ... for a ... magazines, ... of ... I'm not sure that's where auteurism's originality lies. The idea that directors are authors of their...
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... don't begin, they just always were, and now and then someone fixates ... certainly marked a sea change, but far be it from me to trace ... Surely the...
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... Rohmer said something like that: "Being able to photograph, to film, brings us a fundamentally different knowledge of the world, a knowledge that causes an...
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... 1) I am not aware of "the approach" either before or after www2. What is "the approach"? 2) Which approaches do you feel changed? Which approaches do you...
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... What ... feel ... I think I can answer these both at once. Of course, "approach" is way too vague, especially, as I said, I am deeply ignorant of pre-war ...
Patrick Ciccone
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... It was certainly a shift if, like most everyone, all one had been exposed to was writing in the daily newspaper. And equally in Europe, "normal" people...
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The only copy I own of Revue de cinema certainly looks like the yellow Cahiers, and also contains a group of articles on Hitchcock's films which they were...
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... But you say that you're not familiar with pre-www2 writings, so how can you make these remarks until you are? I don't think Cahiers "obsessed" over these...
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