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Reply Message #1443 of 49242 |
Re: Charlie's Angels vs. Ten

Zach,

You wrote: "Doesn't sexual pleasure do all these things? Is it
therefore an aesthetic pleasure?"

Well I didn't say that "Taking you out of yourself", "Repeating the
rhythms in your body", "Bringing out the truth about us" are either
satisfactory or necessary conditions for aesthetic pleasure.
I was hoping that "maybe"s I was using would clarify that I do not
claim to know what exactly creates aesthetic pleasures. Those were
just some of the reasonable theories I have heard. It might be all of
them or none of them. I will definitely let you know if I ever come
up with a "unified theory of arts". Until then, I prefer sticking to
Tag Gallagher's idea of defining aesthetics individually for each
artist.

What I can tell you for sure though, is that there is a great
pleasure I experience from time to time that I have to separate from
others, and the best naming seems to be "aesthetic pleasure".

I agree that sex is an activity that has all the components above in
some ways but that doesn't necessarily make it the same.

Yoel




Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:56 pm

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... And yet I think there is something like a consenus that these acts of spotting and overlooking are important and should be going on all the time. I ...
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Aug 22, 2003
4:29 am

... Thanks for the interest. Someday I'll get around to scanning some of them. Not everything I wrote back then pleases me now, of course. - Dan...
Dan Sallitt
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Aug 22, 2003
5:46 am

Peter, I totally agree with your main point in the post #1417. I was just very surprised to see that you put Charlie's Angels on the same list with...
Yoel Meranda
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Aug 22, 2003
8:19 am

... Dunno if Peter would agree, but I vote for abolishing this distinction. Pleasure is pleasure, and high-mindedness has nothing to do with it. I liked Ten...
jaketwilson Offline Send Email Aug 22, 2003
9:52 am

Jake, You wrote: "Dunno if Peter would agree, but I vote for abolishing this distinction. Pleasure is pleasure, and high-mindedness has nothing to do with it."...
Yoel Meranda
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Aug 22, 2003
11:01 am

... much ... know ... says, ... Doesn't sexual pleasure do all these things? Is it therefore an aesthetic pleasure? --Zach...
Zach Campbell
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Aug 22, 2003
1:07 pm

Zach, You wrote: "Doesn't sexual pleasure do all these things? Is it therefore an aesthetic pleasure?" Well I didn't say that "Taking you out of yourself",...
Yoel Meranda
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Aug 22, 2003
1:58 pm

... of ... That's cool - I was trying to push at the limits of your suggested definitions, and try to get us to see it from a different perspective. Perhaps...
Zach Campbell
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Aug 22, 2003
9:39 pm

... Art isn't sex (surprise) but on a basic level surely responding to art involves a libidinal investment, as Freud would say. I tried to argue a while back...
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10:40 am

... I think Bazin's concept of realism is more complicated than that. Remember, in his article on Italian neorealism, he said, "Realism in art can only be...
Dan Sallitt
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Aug 24, 2003
4:57 am

... in art can only be achieved in one way - by artifice." Always keep in mind this reverse statement by Paul Valery: "Cinema is an art of making truth with...
Maxime
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Aug 24, 2003
3:20 pm

Zach Campbell wrote ... Well, at least "for me," it doesn't involve the same degree of the perception of an, um, external form organized with an intellectual ...
Fred Camper
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Aug 22, 2003
1:22 pm

once upon a long ago there were some guys who said that Frank Tashlin was a much better director to look at then, say, William Wyler and John Huston. Not for...
Ruy Gardnier
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Aug 22, 2003
6:28 pm

Ruy said he didn't like Kedma that much so I felt the need to defend my favorite film this year. Here is what I wrote on my web site on ... Amos Gitai...
Yoel Meranda
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Aug 25, 2003
9:24 am

just to make my point clearer: though I partially dismissed Amos Gitai in the defense of McG, I like Kedma (though I don't like the two monologues), Kadosh and...
Ruy Gardnier
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Aug 25, 2003
1:17 pm

... Well, I should in all honesty say that I think "Ten" is the greater film of the two (and "The Son" better than both of them). My major point (and one ...
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