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Re: [a_film_by] Re: viewing habits, invisibility



jaketwilson wrote:

> I buy all this completely. Part of my point was that the physical
> experience has to precede the intellectual one. Can I add that while
> we can't do without analysis, it's necessarily reductive in that
> it `notices' some aspects of experience ahead of others? In a
> way `editing' is as much an abstraction as `genre.'
>

I don't see why it's necessarily reductive. Music is not reductive,
even though it based entirely on physcial sensation and intellectual
analysis of relationships between events (e.g., following a tune).
There is an almost ontological relationship between a perception and
our conceptualization of that perception even extended in time (the
tune). The point is to open ourselves to our sensations. To often
theory aborts us ("fucks" us, said Lang). One of the many pernicious
qualities of genre criticism is that it avoids entirely the individual.
Genre criticism is like an orphan asylum which classifies orphans by
age, sex, weight, etc., and never relates to any of them as an
individual. Genre criticism is an academic conspiracy to run away from
experiencing art. Art is something individual. Unique. It is not a
nexus of conventions and anti-conventions.

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A number of things said here recently, and particularly Fred's posts, have made me think about some of the ways that I look at film that in the past I've taken...
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I think ultimately each person has to do what works best for him or her. But for the sake of discussion: Preminger's remark is ridiculous if taken literally....
Tag Gallagher
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Aug 9, 2003
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... intelligent, ... By analogy: when we interact with another person, what we're affected by and respond to includes body language, intonation, clothing, etc,...
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Aug 9, 2003
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... But more often than not, we do NOT notice these clues and body langauge, or else we do so hurriedly and get into big trouble. ... Now, were we discussing...
Tag Gallagher
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... that, ... characters ... think ... Yes? Yes, absolutely. I do think intuitive perception comes first (we notice something, and then notice that we've...
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I agree. But add: (1) cuts need to be experienced physically, not just intellectually. (2) "I may or may not be thinking about his editing strategies": In most...
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Aug 10, 2003
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I buy all this completely. Part of my point was that the physical experience has to precede the intellectual one. Can I add that while we can't do without...
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... I don't see why it's necessarily reductive. Music is not reductive, even though it based entirely on physcial sensation and intellectual analysis of...
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... even though it based entirely on physcial sensation and intellectual ... There is an almost ontological relationship between a perception and ... tune)....
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