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A number of things said here recently, and particularly Fred's posts,
have made me think about some of the ways that I look at film that in
the past I've taken for granted. My experience is that usually when I
see a narrative film, I'm primarily concerned with the story being
told. My awareness of the formal elements that go to make up this
story – acting, camera movement, music and so forth – fluctuates: I'm
conscious of them, but not all of them equally, and not all the time.
Normally when I want to write about or study particular films it's
because I had some kind of compelling initial experience, but I have
to go back and look at them multiple times to try and see how that
experience was created. Of course, I then run into a version of the
Heisenberg Principle: the more closely I try to look at my
experience, the more that experience changes.

Whether or not you buy the idea that Hollywood film style
is `invisible' (I don't) the concept of a style that isn't meant to
be noticed does seem to have some currency among filmmakers
themselves. I recall an interview with Preminger, for example (quoted
in V.F. Perkins' book Film As Film) where he says that his ideal film
would be one where audiences got so caught up in the story that they
never noticed a cut or a camera movement. Which is not to say they
wouldn't be affected by these things – my point is that form affects
us all the time whether or not we're aware of it. I'm curious what
others feel about this – as I'm sure we agree that there remains a
basic, unbridgable gap between the primary experience of art and the
type of analysis carried out in criticism.

JTW





Sat Aug 9, 2003 5:59 am

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A number of things said here recently, and particularly Fred's posts, have made me think about some of the ways that I look at film that in the past I've taken...
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Aug 9, 2003
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I think ultimately each person has to do what works best for him or her. But for the sake of discussion: Preminger's remark is ridiculous if taken literally....
Tag Gallagher
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Aug 9, 2003
6:50 am

... intelligent, ... By analogy: when we interact with another person, what we're affected by and respond to includes body language, intonation, clothing, etc,...
jaketwilson
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Aug 9, 2003
2:19 pm

... But more often than not, we do NOT notice these clues and body langauge, or else we do so hurriedly and get into big trouble. ... Now, were we discussing...
Tag Gallagher
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Aug 9, 2003
6:03 pm

... that, ... characters ... think ... Yes? Yes, absolutely. I do think intuitive perception comes first (we notice something, and then notice that we've...
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Aug 10, 2003
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I agree. But add: (1) cuts need to be experienced physically, not just intellectually. (2) "I may or may not be thinking about his editing strategies": In most...
Tag Gallagher
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Aug 10, 2003
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I buy all this completely. Part of my point was that the physical experience has to precede the intellectual one. Can I add that while we can't do without...
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Aug 10, 2003
5:43 am

... I don't see why it's necessarily reductive. Music is not reductive, even though it based entirely on physcial sensation and intellectual analysis of...
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Aug 10, 2003
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... even though it based entirely on physcial sensation and intellectual ... There is an almost ontological relationship between a perception and ... tune)....
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