--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com, "rancidcheesehead"
<rancidcheesehead@...> wrote:
>
> There is a new book on Flo Ziegfeld by Ethan Mordden
>
> Ziegfeld:The Man Who Invented Show Business from St Martin's Press listed at
$32.95 but I have seen it cheaper.
>
> Wondering if anyone has read it and if it is worth purchasing?
>
> Your Partner in Limburger
>
It is worth purchasing, especially as a $4.98 remainder on Amazon. The book has
a valuable end chapter on sources, and the  the main text  ends with Ollie's
ghost: "Those who have seen her have the odd feeling that she is trying to
explain something. She seems to be saying that what happened...well it was just
a crazy accident."

Mordden has a keen understanding of Boadway, without which no book on Ziegfeld
can be complete.

There is a new book on Flo Ziegfeld by Ethan Mordden

Ziegfeld:The Man Who Invented Show Business from St Martin's Press listed at
$32.95 but I have seen it cheaper.

Wondering if anyone has read it and if it is worth purchasing?

Your Partner in Limburger

I agree, thanks to you I know of another silent beauty.
Julie

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Buster1033@... <Buster1033@...> wrote:

From: Buster1033@... <Buster1033@...>
Subject: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Natalie Joyce - Tribute To A Forgotten
Star
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 5:40 PM






 





                   She is lovely. thank you for sharing and making her live
again.



-----Original Message-----

From: classicactress <dancehalldiva@ frontiernet. net>

To: TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:09 am

Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Natalie Joyce - Tribute To A Forgotten Star



I would like to invite everyone to visit my new tribute to silent screen actress
Natalie Joyce -



http://oliveborden. com/nataliejoyce



Thanks,

Elizabeth



CaroleLandisOnline. com

OliveBorden. com

MarieMcDonald. org



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

She is lovely. thank you for sharing and making her live again.





-----Original Message-----
From: classicactress <dancehalldiva@...>
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:09 am
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Natalie Joyce - Tribute To A Forgotten Star






I would like to invite everyone to visit my new tribute to silent screen actress
Natalie Joyce -

http://oliveborden.com/nataliejoyce

Thanks,
Elizabeth

CaroleLandisOnline.com
OliveBorden.com
MarieMcDonald.org








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I would like to invite everyone to visit my new tribute to silent screen actress
Natalie Joyce -

http://oliveborden.com/nataliejoyce

Thanks,
Elizabeth


CaroleLandisOnline.com
OliveBorden.com
MarieMcDonald.org

Hello,

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Thank you for this very interesting information. I had not heard of her before.
Julie

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Marilyn <mar42s@...> wrote:


From: Marilyn <mar42s@...>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] The other Olive
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 2:52 AM


 



Olive Borden at Looking-for- Mabel
<http://looking- for-mabel. webs.com/ oliveborden. htm>

A few answers to a few questions about Olive Borden

http://looking- for-mabel. webs.com/ oliveborden. htm

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Olive Borden at Looking-for-Mabel
   <http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/oliveborden.htm>

A few answers to a few questions about Olive Borden

http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/oliveborden.htm





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes!? That's the photo.? For some reason I didn't think it really was Olive.?
It's so period posed and her photos seem so fresh and lively.? I have the one of
her walking in the "snow" in the furs on my desktop here at work.? I have
watched the documentary about her about 6x and I LOVE the DVD.? Has anything
ever happened to repair the damage to her gravesite??

-----Original Message-----
From: Olive Elizabeth Thomas <olive_e_thomas@...>
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:00 am
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Re: Photo of Olive in Ziegfield book








Sounds like "The Ziegfeld Touch" by Richard & Paulette Ziegfeld...

This is probably the picture you're talking about...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n234/katriniac/olive/oliveghosts.jpg

--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com, Buster1033@... wrote:
>
>
> I was reading a book on Ziegfield (rather large - written by a cousin? or
nephew? Richard with a forward by Patricia) and there was a photo of Olive--now
for the life of me, I don't remember seeing this photo in the INCREDIBLE book
about Olive that I have read at least 6x.? I'm not sure it was really her.? Any
feedback on this?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olive Elizabeth Thomas <olive_e_thomas@...>
> To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:11 pm
> Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] McKees Rocks loses another celebrity
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> TV Pitchman Billy Mays was a native of McKees Rock PA. Olive, who was born in
Charleroi PA, moved with her family to McKees Rock after the death of her
father.
>
> TAMPA - Internationally known TV product pitchman Billy Mays, who rose to the
top of his profession with a boisterous persona that touched consumers and
helped create more than $1 billion in merchandise sales, was found dead in his
South Tampa home this morning .
>
> His wife Deborah woke up and found Mays, 50, in bed and not breathing, Tampa
police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said.
>
> He was dead when Tampa Fire Rescue arrived at Mays' house at 2853 Bowen Daniel
Drive. The time of death was reported at 7:45 a.m.
>
> Mays had no obvious injuries, and there were no signs of forced entry at the
family's home near Old Tampa Bay. No foul play is suspected, police said.
>
> Family members told police Mays hadn't been feeling well Saturday and that he
went to bed early, shortly after 10 p.m., McElroy said.
>
> Hours before, Mays was on board a US Airways flight from Philadelphia that
landed safely at Tampa International Airport Saturday afternoon after its front
tires blew out, resulting in bumps and bruises to some passengers.
>
> Mays told WTVT, Channel 13, that he got hit in the head during the rough
landing.
>
> "All of a sudden as we hit, you know, it was just the hardest hit; all the
things from the ceiling started dropping," he said. "It hit me on the head, but
I got a hard head."
>
> Mays, who was active on the Twitter social networking site, posted his last
update at 2:01 p.m. Saturday.
>
> "Just had a close call landing In Tampa," Mays wrote. "The tires blew out upon
landing. Stuck in the plane on the runway. You can always count on US Air."
>
> Any connection between Mays' death and the rough landing would be speculation,
McElroy said. More will be known after Mays' autopsy, which could be performed
as early as Monday, she said. If a toxicology examination is needed, those
results could take another four to six weeks.
>
> A Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington said no injuries
were reported to the FAA after the plane landed.
>
> "We don't normally interview passengers if injuries are not reported,"
spokeswoman Laura Brown said. "There is no way of knowing if Billy Mays had a
seat belt on or not at this point."
>
> Mays' family has remained largely silent since his death.
>
> "As you can imagine, the family is devastated," McElroy said.
>
> His wife released a statement through Tampa police after asking them to handle
all public statements.
>
> "Although Billy lived a public life, we don't anticipate making any public
statements over the next couple of days," she said. "Our family asks that you
respect our privacy during these difficult times."
>
> In a previous Twitter post, Mays said he was preparing for his third hip
replacement in Tampa on Monday. His family said he was in good health otherwise,
according to police.
>
> "My dad didn't wake up this morning" Mays' son Billy said on his Twitter page
this morning . "I'm thankful I got to talk to my Dad last night. I miss him
immensely already. But I feel him with me."
>
> Mays was regarded as the "king of infomercials" and widely acknowledged as the
most successful direct-response TV salesman in history.
>
> His energy and distinctive looks, with an ever-present grin framed by black
hair and a beard, created a household image that Forbes magazine said accounted
for more than $1 billion in combined sales with producer and partner Anthony
"Sully" Sullivan.
>
> Mays' and Sullivan's most recent venture was the Discovery channel realty
series "Pitchmen," which launched in April.
>
> "Finally for him and for Sully, people got to see more of the
behind-the-scenes mystique of how products really get where they are," said Dan
Wooley, Mays' brother-in-law.
>
> "Billy was a really great guy, genuine and a wonderful husband who remained
very approachable even with his climb in the public eye.
>
> "He was just Billy to us."
>
> Mays took great pleasure in working a product and seeing it go from nothing to
a success, Wooley said.
>
> "He loved to sell. He loved to pitch," Wooley said. "He was good at it. You
could see that on his face."
>
> Mays customarily would go for a swim at a local YMCA and take his family to
dinner.
>
> "He'd go to a couple nice restaurants, but he mostly wore flip-flops, shorts
and a T-shirt," Wooley said. "People would approach him all the time to shake
his hand and say 'hi.' "
>
> Mays occasionally would visit Rigazzi's Pizza & Restaurant in New Port Richey,
which Wooley owns.
>
> "I didn't learn how to sell like him, but we definitely reaped the benefit of
him coming in here," Wooley said.
>
> A native of McKees Rocks, Pa., Mays began his sales career after graduating
from high school in 1977 by hawking a portable washing device along the
boardwalk in Atlantic City.
>
> His prominence grew through promoting OxiClean, Orange Glo, Kaboom and other
household products such as the Mighty Putty glue.
>
> "He was really smart to create a character with his beard and his loud blue
shirt," said AJ Khubani, founder and chief executive of the "As Seen On TV"
company TeleBrands.
>
> "He grew up as an average Joe and really understood the needs of consumers and
how to reach them."
>
> The Associated Press contributed to this report.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sounds like "The Ziegfeld Touch" by Richard & Paulette Ziegfeld...

This is probably the picture you're talking about...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n234/katriniac/olive/oliveghosts.jpg

--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com, Buster1033@... wrote:
>
>
> I was reading a book on Ziegfield (rather large - written by a cousin? or
nephew? Richard with a forward by Patricia) and there was a photo of Olive--now
for the life of me, I don't remember seeing this photo in the INCREDIBLE book
about Olive that I have read at least 6x.? I'm not sure it was really her.? Any
feedback on this?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olive Elizabeth Thomas <olive_e_thomas@...>
> To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:11 pm
> Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] McKees Rocks loses another celebrity
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> TV Pitchman Billy Mays was a native of McKees Rock PA. Olive, who was born in
Charleroi PA, moved with her family to McKees Rock after the death of her
father.
>
> TAMPA - Internationally known TV product pitchman Billy Mays, who rose to the
top of his profession with a boisterous persona that touched consumers and
helped create more than $1 billion in merchandise sales, was found dead in his
South Tampa home this morning .
>
> His wife Deborah woke up and found Mays, 50, in bed and not breathing, Tampa
police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said.
>
> He was dead when Tampa Fire Rescue arrived at Mays' house at 2853 Bowen Daniel
Drive. The time of death was reported at 7:45 a.m.
>
> Mays had no obvious injuries, and there were no signs of forced entry at the
family's home near Old Tampa Bay. No foul play is suspected, police said.
>
> Family members told police Mays hadn't been feeling well Saturday and that he
went to bed early, shortly after 10 p.m., McElroy said.
>
> Hours before, Mays was on board a US Airways flight from Philadelphia that
landed safely at Tampa International Airport Saturday afternoon after its front
tires blew out, resulting in bumps and bruises to some passengers.
>
> Mays told WTVT, Channel 13, that he got hit in the head during the rough
landing.
>
> "All of a sudden as we hit, you know, it was just the hardest hit; all the
things from the ceiling started dropping," he said. "It hit me on the head, but
I got a hard head."
>
> Mays, who was active on the Twitter social networking site, posted his last
update at 2:01 p.m. Saturday.
>
> "Just had a close call landing In Tampa," Mays wrote. "The tires blew out upon
landing. Stuck in the plane on the runway. You can always count on US Air."
>
> Any connection between Mays' death and the rough landing would be speculation,
McElroy said. More will be known after Mays' autopsy, which could be performed
as early as Monday, she said. If a toxicology examination is needed, those
results could take another four to six weeks.
>
> A Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington said no injuries
were reported to the FAA after the plane landed.
>
> "We don't normally interview passengers if injuries are not reported,"
spokeswoman Laura Brown said. "There is no way of knowing if Billy Mays had a
seat belt on or not at this point."
>
> Mays' family has remained largely silent since his death.
>
> "As you can imagine, the family is devastated," McElroy said.
>
> His wife released a statement through Tampa police after asking them to handle
all public statements.
>
> "Although Billy lived a public life, we don't anticipate making any public
statements over the next couple of days," she said. "Our family asks that you
respect our privacy during these difficult times."
>
> In a previous Twitter post, Mays said he was preparing for his third hip
replacement in Tampa on Monday. His family said he was in good health otherwise,
according to police.
>
> "My dad didn't wake up this morning" Mays' son Billy said on his Twitter page
this morning . "I'm thankful I got to talk to my Dad last night. I miss him
immensely already. But I feel him with me."
>
> Mays was regarded as the "king of infomercials" and widely acknowledged as the
most successful direct-response TV salesman in history.
>
> His energy and distinctive looks, with an ever-present grin framed by black
hair and a beard, created a household image that Forbes magazine said accounted
for more than $1 billion in combined sales with producer and partner Anthony
"Sully" Sullivan.
>
> Mays' and Sullivan's most recent venture was the Discovery channel realty
series "Pitchmen," which launched in April.
>
> "Finally for him and for Sully, people got to see more of the
behind-the-scenes mystique of how products really get where they are," said Dan
Wooley, Mays' brother-in-law.
>
> "Billy was a really great guy, genuine and a wonderful husband who remained
very approachable even with his climb in the public eye.
>
> "He was just Billy to us."
>
> Mays took great pleasure in working a product and seeing it go from nothing to
a success, Wooley said.
>
> "He loved to sell. He loved to pitch," Wooley said. "He was good at it. You
could see that on his face."
>
> Mays customarily would go for a swim at a local YMCA and take his family to
dinner.
>
> "He'd go to a couple nice restaurants, but he mostly wore flip-flops, shorts
and a T-shirt," Wooley said. "People would approach him all the time to shake
his hand and say 'hi.' "
>
> Mays occasionally would visit Rigazzi's Pizza & Restaurant in New Port Richey,
which Wooley owns.
>
> "I didn't learn how to sell like him, but we definitely reaped the benefit of
him coming in here," Wooley said.
>
> A native of McKees Rocks, Pa., Mays began his sales career after graduating
from high school in 1977 by hawking a portable washing device along the
boardwalk in Atlantic City.
>
> His prominence grew through promoting OxiClean, Orange Glo, Kaboom and other
household products such as the Mighty Putty glue.
>
> "He was really smart to create a character with his beard and his loud blue
shirt," said AJ Khubani, founder and chief executive of the "As Seen On TV"
company TeleBrands.
>
> "He grew up as an average Joe and really understood the needs of consumers and
how to reach them."
>
> The Associated Press contributed to this report.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I was reading a book on Ziegfield (rather large - written by a cousin? or
nephew? Richard with a forward by Patricia) and there was a photo of Olive--now
for the life of me, I don't remember seeing this photo in the INCREDIBLE book
about Olive that I have read at least 6x.? I'm not sure it was really her.? Any
feedback on this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Olive Elizabeth Thomas <olive_e_thomas@...>
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:11 pm
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] McKees Rocks loses another celebrity








TV Pitchman Billy Mays was a native of McKees Rock PA. Olive, who was born in
Charleroi PA, moved with her family to McKees Rock after the death of her
father.

TAMPA - Internationally known TV product pitchman Billy Mays, who rose to the
top of his profession with a boisterous persona that touched consumers and
helped create more than $1 billion in merchandise sales, was found dead in his
South Tampa home this morning .

His wife Deborah woke up and found Mays, 50, in bed and not breathing, Tampa
police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said.

He was dead when Tampa Fire Rescue arrived at Mays' house at 2853 Bowen Daniel
Drive. The time of death was reported at 7:45 a.m.

Mays had no obvious injuries, and there were no signs of forced entry at the
family's home near Old Tampa Bay. No foul play is suspected, police said.

Family members told police Mays hadn't been feeling well Saturday and that he
went to bed early, shortly after 10 p.m., McElroy said.

Hours before, Mays was on board a US Airways flight from Philadelphia that
landed safely at Tampa International Airport Saturday afternoon after its front
tires blew out, resulting in bumps and bruises to some passengers.

Mays told WTVT, Channel 13, that he got hit in the head during the rough
landing.

"All of a sudden as we hit, you know, it was just the hardest hit; all the
things from the ceiling started dropping," he said. "It hit me on the head, but
I got a hard head."

Mays, who was active on the Twitter social networking site, posted his last
update at 2:01 p.m. Saturday.

"Just had a close call landing In Tampa," Mays wrote. "The tires blew out upon
landing. Stuck in the plane on the runway. You can always count on US Air."

Any connection between Mays' death and the rough landing would be speculation,
McElroy said. More will be known after Mays' autopsy, which could be performed
as early as Monday, she said. If a toxicology examination is needed, those
results could take another four to six weeks.

A Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington said no injuries
were reported to the FAA after the plane landed.

"We don't normally interview passengers if injuries are not reported,"
spokeswoman Laura Brown said. "There is no way of knowing if Billy Mays had a
seat belt on or not at this point."

Mays' family has remained largely silent since his death.

"As you can imagine, the family is devastated," McElroy said.

His wife released a statement through Tampa police after asking them to handle
all public statements.

"Although Billy lived a public life, we don't anticipate making any public
statements over the next couple of days," she said. "Our family asks that you
respect our privacy during these difficult times."

In a previous Twitter post, Mays said he was preparing for his third hip
replacement in Tampa on Monday. His family said he was in good health otherwise,
according to police.

"My dad didn't wake up this morning" Mays' son Billy said on his Twitter page
this morning . "I'm thankful I got to talk to my Dad last night. I miss him
immensely already. But I feel him with me."

Mays was regarded as the "king of infomercials" and widely acknowledged as the
most successful direct-response TV salesman in history.

His energy and distinctive looks, with an ever-present grin framed by black hair
and a beard, created a household image that Forbes magazine said accounted for
more than $1 billion in combined sales with producer and partner Anthony "Sully"
Sullivan.

Mays' and Sullivan's most recent venture was the Discovery channel realty series
"Pitchmen," which launched in April.

"Finally for him and for Sully, people got to see more of the behind-the-scenes
mystique of how products really get where they are," said Dan Wooley, Mays'
brother-in-law.

"Billy was a really great guy, genuine and a wonderful husband who remained very
approachable even with his climb in the public eye.

"He was just Billy to us."

Mays took great pleasure in working a product and seeing it go from nothing to a
success, Wooley said.

"He loved to sell. He loved to pitch," Wooley said. "He was good at it. You
could see that on his face."

Mays customarily would go for a swim at a local YMCA and take his family to
dinner.

"He'd go to a couple nice restaurants, but he mostly wore flip-flops, shorts and
a T-shirt," Wooley said. "People would approach him all the time to shake his
hand and say 'hi.' "

Mays occasionally would visit Rigazzi's Pizza & Restaurant in New Port Richey,
which Wooley owns.

"I didn't learn how to sell like him, but we definitely reaped the benefit of
him coming in here," Wooley said.

A native of McKees Rocks, Pa., Mays began his sales career after graduating from
high school in 1977 by hawking a portable washing device along the boardwalk in
Atlantic City.

His prominence grew through promoting OxiClean, Orange Glo, Kaboom and other
household products such as the Mighty Putty glue.

"He was really smart to create a character with his beard and his loud blue
shirt," said AJ Khubani, founder and chief executive of the "As Seen On TV"
company TeleBrands.

"He grew up as an average Joe and really understood the needs of consumers and
how to reach them."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's the difference between lightning and the lightning bug, as Mark Twain put
it.

--- On Sun, 6/28/09, Olive Elizabeth Thomas <olive_e_thomas@...> wrote:

From: Olive Elizabeth Thomas <olive_e_thomas@...>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] McKees Rocks loses another celebrity
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 6:11 PM

















       TV Pitchman Billy Mays was a native of McKees Rock PA. Olive, who was born
in Charleroi PA, moved with her family to McKees Rock after the death of her
father.



TAMPA - Internationally known TV product pitchman Billy Mays, who rose to the
top of his profession with a boisterous persona that touched consumers and
helped create more than $1 billion in merchandise sales, was found dead in his
South Tampa home this morning .



His wife Deborah woke up and found Mays, 50, in bed and not breathing, Tampa
police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said.



He was dead when Tampa Fire Rescue arrived at Mays' house at 2853 Bowen Daniel
Drive. The time of death was reported at 7:45 a.m.



Mays had no obvious injuries, and there were no signs of forced entry at the
family's home near Old Tampa Bay. No foul play is suspected, police said.



Family members told police Mays hadn't been feeling well Saturday and that he
went to bed early, shortly after 10 p.m., McElroy said.



Hours before, Mays was on board a US Airways flight from Philadelphia that
landed safely at Tampa International Airport Saturday afternoon after its front
tires blew out, resulting in bumps and bruises to some passengers.



Mays told WTVT, Channel 13, that he got hit in the head during the rough
landing.



"All of a sudden as we hit, you know, it was just the hardest hit; all the
things from the ceiling started dropping," he said. "It hit me on the head, but
I got a hard head."



Mays, who was active on the Twitter social networking site, posted his last
update at 2:01 p.m. Saturday.



"Just had a close call landing In Tampa," Mays wrote. "The tires blew out upon
landing. Stuck in the plane on the runway. You can always count on US Air."



Any connection between Mays' death and the rough landing would be speculation,
McElroy said. More will be known after Mays' autopsy, which could be performed
as early as Monday, she said. If a toxicology examination is needed, those
results could take another four to six weeks.



A Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington said no injuries
were reported to the FAA after the plane landed.



"We don't normally interview passengers if injuries are not reported,"
spokeswoman Laura Brown said. "There is no way of knowing if Billy Mays had a
seat belt on or not at this point."



Mays' family has remained largely silent since his death.



"As you can imagine, the family is devastated," McElroy said.



His wife released a statement through Tampa police after asking them to handle
all public statements.



"Although Billy lived a public life, we don't anticipate making any public
statements over the next couple of days," she said. "Our family asks that you
respect our privacy during these difficult times."



In a previous Twitter post, Mays said he was preparing for his third hip
replacement in Tampa on Monday. His family said he was in good health otherwise,
according to police.



"My dad didn't wake up this morning" Mays' son Billy said on his Twitter page
this morning . "I'm thankful I got to talk to my Dad last night. I miss him
immensely already. But I feel him with me."



Mays was regarded as the "king of infomercials" and widely acknowledged as the
most successful direct-response TV salesman in history.



His energy and distinctive looks, with an ever-present grin framed by black hair
and a beard, created a household image that Forbes magazine said accounted for
more than $1 billion in combined sales with producer and partner Anthony "Sully"
Sullivan.



Mays' and Sullivan's most recent venture was the Discovery channel realty series
"Pitchmen," which launched in April.



"Finally for him and for Sully, people got to see more of the behind-the-scenes
mystique of how products really get where they are," said Dan Wooley, Mays'
brother-in-law.



"Billy was a really great guy, genuine and a wonderful husband who remained very
approachable even with his climb in the public eye.



"He was just Billy to us."



Mays took great pleasure in working a product and seeing it go from nothing to a
success, Wooley said.



"He loved to sell. He loved to pitch," Wooley said. "He was good at it. You
could see that on his face."



Mays customarily would go for a swim at a local YMCA and take his family to
dinner.



"He'd go to a couple nice restaurants, but he mostly wore flip-flops, shorts and
a T-shirt," Wooley said. "People would approach him all the time to shake his
hand and say 'hi.' "



Mays occasionally would visit Rigazzi's Pizza & Restaurant in New Port Richey,
which Wooley owns.



"I didn't learn how to sell like him, but we definitely reaped the benefit of
him coming in here," Wooley said.



A native of McKees Rocks, Pa., Mays began his sales career after graduating from
high school in 1977 by hawking a portable washing device along the boardwalk in
Atlantic City.



His prominence grew through promoting OxiClean, Orange Glo, Kaboom and other
household products such as the Mighty Putty glue.



"He was really smart to create a character with his beard and his loud blue
shirt," said AJ Khubani, founder and chief executive of the "As Seen On TV"
company TeleBrands.



"He grew up as an average Joe and really understood the needs of consumers and
how to reach them."



The Associated Press contributed to this report.































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TV Pitchman Billy Mays was a native of McKees Rock PA. Olive, who was born in
Charleroi PA, moved with her family to McKees Rock after the death of her
father.

TAMPA - Internationally known TV product pitchman Billy Mays, who rose to the
top of his profession with a boisterous persona that touched consumers and
helped create more than $1 billion in merchandise sales, was found dead in his
South Tampa home this morning .

His wife Deborah woke up and found Mays, 50, in bed and not breathing, Tampa
police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said.

He was dead when Tampa Fire Rescue arrived at Mays' house at 2853 Bowen Daniel
Drive. The time of death was reported at 7:45 a.m.

Mays had no obvious injuries, and there were no signs of forced entry at the
family's home near Old Tampa Bay. No foul play is suspected, police said.

Family members told police Mays hadn't been feeling well Saturday and that he
went to bed early, shortly after 10 p.m., McElroy said.

Hours before, Mays was on board a US Airways flight from Philadelphia that
landed safely at Tampa International Airport Saturday afternoon after its front
tires blew out, resulting in bumps and bruises to some passengers.

Mays told WTVT, Channel 13, that he got hit in the head during the rough
landing.

"All of a sudden as we hit, you know, it was just the hardest hit; all the
things from the ceiling started dropping," he said. "It hit me on the head, but
I got a hard head."

Mays, who was active on the Twitter social networking site, posted his last
update at 2:01 p.m. Saturday.

"Just had a close call landing In Tampa," Mays wrote. "The tires blew out upon
landing. Stuck in the plane on the runway. You can always count on US Air."

Any connection between Mays' death and the rough landing would be speculation,
McElroy said. More will be known after Mays' autopsy, which could be performed
as early as Monday, she said. If a toxicology examination is needed, those
results could take another four to six weeks.

A Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington said no injuries
were reported to the FAA after the plane landed.

"We don't normally interview passengers if injuries are not reported,"
spokeswoman Laura Brown said. "There is no way of knowing if Billy Mays had a
seat belt on or not at this point."

Mays' family has remained largely silent since his death.

"As you can imagine, the family is devastated," McElroy said.

His wife released a statement through Tampa police after asking them to handle
all public statements.

"Although Billy lived a public life, we don't anticipate making any public
statements over the next couple of days," she said. "Our family asks that you
respect our privacy during these difficult times."

In a previous Twitter post, Mays said he was preparing for his third hip
replacement in Tampa on Monday. His family said he was in good health otherwise,
according to police.

"My dad didn't wake up this morning" Mays' son Billy said on his Twitter page
this morning . "I'm thankful I got to talk to my Dad last night. I miss him
immensely already. But I feel him with me."

Mays was regarded as the "king of infomercials" and widely acknowledged as the
most successful direct-response TV salesman in history.

His energy and distinctive looks, with an ever-present grin framed by black hair
and a beard, created a household image that Forbes magazine said accounted for
more than $1 billion in combined sales with producer and partner Anthony "Sully"
Sullivan.

Mays' and Sullivan's most recent venture was the Discovery channel realty series
"Pitchmen," which launched in April.

"Finally for him and for Sully, people got to see more of the behind-the-scenes
mystique of how products really get where they are," said Dan Wooley, Mays'
brother-in-law.

"Billy was a really great guy, genuine and a wonderful husband who remained very
approachable even with his climb in the public eye.

"He was just Billy to us."

Mays took great pleasure in working a product and seeing it go from nothing to a
success, Wooley said.

"He loved to sell. He loved to pitch," Wooley said. "He was good at it. You
could see that on his face."

Mays customarily would go for a swim at a local YMCA and take his family to
dinner.

"He'd go to a couple nice restaurants, but he mostly wore flip-flops, shorts and
a T-shirt," Wooley said. "People would approach him all the time to shake his
hand and say 'hi.' "

Mays occasionally would visit Rigazzi's Pizza & Restaurant in New Port Richey,
which Wooley owns.

"I didn't learn how to sell like him, but we definitely reaped the benefit of
him coming in here," Wooley said.

A native of McKees Rocks, Pa., Mays began his sales career after graduating from
high school in 1977 by hawking a portable washing device along the boardwalk in
Atlantic City.

His prominence grew through promoting OxiClean, Orange Glo, Kaboom and other
household products such as the Mighty Putty glue.

"He was really smart to create a character with his beard and his loud blue
shirt," said AJ Khubani, founder and chief executive of the "As Seen On TV"
company TeleBrands.

"He grew up as an average Joe and really understood the needs of consumers and
how to reach them."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Don,
Thank you. I am going to wait to find it cheaper.
Does anyone know what films of hers are available, how many still Exist, or have
most of them been lost?
Thanks.
Julie

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, donlut1964 <dlutes1618@...> wrote:


From: donlut1964 <dlutes1618@...>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Re: Question
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 8:47 AM








Julie, I got my copy from Amazon and I love the story about Ollie. Maybe Ebay
may have some copies as well? Never checked there but Amazon has them for sure!

Don

--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com, "das_imperator"
<dasimperator@ ...> wrote:
>
> There are features on the DVD that wouldn't copy well and besides we'd like to
support future releases of Olive Thomas movies.
>
> Amazon.com has copies available new. Only $26 bux + shipping.
>
> http://www.amazon. com/Olive- Thomas-Collectio n-Everybodys- Sweetheart/
dp/B0007M21ZI/
>
>
>
> --- In TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com, Julie <juliea0102@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Does anyone have a copy of this that they would be willing to make a copy of
that I could purchase? "The Olive Thomas Collection: The Flapper/Olive Thomas -
Everybody's Sweetheart"  DVD
> > Please let me know, and thank you in advance.
> > Julie :)
> >
>



















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Thanks, I was aware but don't want to spend that much.
Julie

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Bruce Long <bruce@...> wrote:


From: Bruce Long <bruce@...>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Re: Question
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 6:25 AM








--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com, "das_imperator"
<dasimperator@ ...> wrote:
....
> Amazon.com has copies available new. Only $26 bux + shipping.

New copies are available elsewhere for much less.
http://www.deepdisc ount.com/ viewproduct. htm?productId= 5749309
currently has it for $20.25 including shipping, and sometimes they
have discount coupon sales with an additional savings.



















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Julie, I got my copy from Amazon and I love the story about Ollie. Maybe Ebay
may have some copies as well? Never checked there but Amazon has them for sure!

Don


--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com, "das_imperator"
<dasimperator@...> wrote:
>
> There are features on the DVD that wouldn't copy well and besides we'd like to
support future releases of Olive Thomas movies.
>
> Amazon.com has copies available new. Only $26 bux + shipping.
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Olive-Thomas-Collection-Everybodys-Sweetheart/dp/B0007M21Z\
I/
>
>
>
> --- In TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com, Julie <juliea0102@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Does anyone have a copy of this that they would be willing to make a copy of
that I could purchase? "The Olive Thomas Collection: The Flapper/Olive Thomas -
Everybody's Sweetheart"  DVD
> > Please let me know, and thank you in advance.
> > Julie :)
> >
>

I'm sorry I asked, it appears I offended you.
It was not my intention. I just buy most of my dvds off ebay and have never paid
more than $9.00, and don't wish to spend a ton of money.
 
Julie

--- On Sun, 6/14/09, das_imperator <dasimperator@...> wrote:


From: das_imperator <dasimperator@...>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Re: Question
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 11:27 PM








There are features on the DVD that wouldn't copy well and besides we'd like to
support future releases of Olive Thomas movies.

Amazon.com has copies available new. Only $26 bux + shipping.

http://www.amazon. com/Olive- Thomas-Collectio n-Everybodys- Sweetheart/
dp/B0007M21ZI/

--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com, Julie <juliea0102@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Does anyone have a copy of this that they would be willing to make a copy of
that I could purchase? "The Olive Thomas Collection: The Flapper/Olive Thomas -
Everybody's Sweetheart"  DVD
> Please let me know, and thank you in advance.
> Julie :)
>



















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com, "das_imperator"
<dasimperator@...> wrote:
...
> Amazon.com has copies available new. Only $26 bux + shipping.

New copies are available elsewhere for much less.
http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=5749309
currently has it for $20.25 including shipping, and sometimes they
have discount coupon sales with an additional savings.

There are features on the DVD that wouldn't copy well and besides we'd like to
support future releases of Olive Thomas movies.

Amazon.com has copies available new. Only $26 bux + shipping.

http://www.amazon.com/Olive-Thomas-Collection-Everybodys-Sweetheart/dp/B0007M21Z\
I/



--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com, Julie <juliea0102@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Does anyone have a copy of this that they would be willing to make a copy of
that I could purchase? "The Olive Thomas Collection: The Flapper/Olive Thomas -
Everybody's Sweetheart"  DVD
> Please let me know, and thank you in advance.
> Julie :)
>

Hi all,
Does anyone have a copy of this that they would be willing to make a copy of
that I could purchase? "The Olive Thomas Collection: The Flapper/Olive Thomas -
Everybody's Sweetheart"  DVD
Please let me know, and thank you in advance.
Julie :)





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Michelle,

Thank you so much for the information. I am looking forward to reading your book
and learning more about this lovely lady.

Sincerely,
Julie

--- On Sat, 6/6/09, vogelworld <mvozus@...> wrote:

From: vogelworld <mvozus@...>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Re: Olive Thomas Book
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 11:54 AM

















       To Julie -



I do hope you pick up a copy of my book. It WAS extensively researched, both
here and abroad.



Photos were amassed from several sources, including Joe Yranski's collection.
Most New Yorker's would be aware of Joe's impressive collection from the
Pickford estate. He also has quite the eye-popping Olive Thomas collection too.
Suzy Dwyer was kind enough to share her collection for photographic purposes
too.



Unfortunately, McFarland authors just write the books, we don't price them. Too
often complaints are made about the cost of a McFarland book and the author has
nothing to do with that aspect of the production. I certainly wish the books
were cheaper too. After all, affordability = more sales. With that said, the
prices have just gone up - again! Ugh! Amazon.com have very good discounts from
time to time so be sure to keep an eye out there.



Lastly, Julie I hope you enjoy your ongoing discovery of Olive. It promises to
be a trail of truth, fiction and many unanswered questions...



Best wishes -



Michelle Vogel



www.michellevogel. com



--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com, Bruce Long <bruce@...> wrote:

>

> >I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas

> >The Life and Death of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel,

> >and wonder if any of you have it,and if you recommend it or not.

>

> For me, the big disappointment in the book was regarding the

> press coverage of her death.  The English-language newspapers had

> previously been combed for material fairly well, and I was hoping

> the book would reveal what was being reported in the French press,

> particularly the sensational newspapers.  I've always suspected that

> there was a lot of material reported in the French press about

> her death (and about the mysterious Capt. Spaulding) which never

> made it into the more restrained English-language papers.

>

> Bruce

>































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I'm very interested in Hollywood silent era. if you have any info or
source about Taylor case or Ince case and obviously about Olive, I'd
appreciate if you send me.

What I have written. . .

I know that a number of members of this group have done a substantial
about of research in the area of silent films, my personal interest is
in Mabel Normand but as Olive Thomas was her friend and of course,
William Desmond Taylor was and Tom Ince, well, they were all people in
Mabel's life so I have a few articles over at Looking-for-Mabel
which might be of interest.  There are also a picture album of Mary
Miles Minter and one for Olive Thomas at the Photo Gallery but there are
other articles I have written you might find ephemera.  I have not done
a formal study just a "looking" around at material that
interests me and this data is very idiosyncratic.  Bruce Long has the
best information on WD Taylor….he is the mentor of us all.



So:

Olive Thomas

http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/mabelsalbumoffriends.htm
<http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/mabelsalbumoffriends.htm>

http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/olivethomasbookreview.htm
<http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/olivethomasbookreview.htm>

http://www.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/offtopic.htm#96680774
<http://www.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/offtopic.htm#96680774>

http://www.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/olive.htm
<http://www.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/olive.htm>



Tom Ince

http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/tomincecatsmeow.htm
<http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/tomincecatsmeow.htm>



William Desmond Taylor

http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/margaretgibson.htm
<http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/margaretgibson.htm>

http://www.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/thegirlson7thstreet.htm
<http://www.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/thegirlson7thstreet.htm>

http://www.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/taylorpages.htm
<http://www.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/taylorpages.htm>





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hi, simone.  i don't know much about the death of thomas ince, but i find the
taylor case interesting. by far the best source for information that i've found
is Bruce Long's "William Desmond Taylor: A Dossier," which is an extensive
collection of reprinted contemporary newspaper articles and other primary source
materials.  there are a couple of other well-known books about the william
desmond taylor case that are frequently cited in articles and discussions of the
case -- Robert Giroux's "A Deed of Death" and Sidney Kirkpatrick's "A Cast of
Killers."  i've only glanced through these two books, however, and can't really
recommend them; i also hear that there are some inaccuracies in both books. 
there's also www.taylorology.com, an excellent online journal edited by Bruce
Long where you can also find contemporary sources, including some articles about
olive thomas and other interesting silent film personalities, like olive's
sister-in-law mary
  pickford, as well as roscoe arbuckle, mabel normand and wally reid, among
others.

those are the most obvious places i can think to start with the taylor case. 
hope that's at least remotely helpful.  have fun!

kat


--- On Mon, 6/8/09, simone sbrana <callimaco2003@...> wrote:

From: simone sbrana <callimaco2003@...>
Subject: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Olive Thomas Book
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 10:29 AM

















       Hy,



I'm very interested in Hollywood silent era.

if you have ani info or source about Taylor case or Ince case and obviously
about Olive, I'd appreciate if you send me.

also about the book about Olive, I'd be interested to get it but I don't know if
I can find it in Italy



best regards



Simone



____________ _________ _________ __

Da: Julie <juliea0102@yahoo. com>

A: TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com

Inviato: Venerdì 5 giugno 2009, 17:20:47

Oggetto: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book



Hi Kat,



Thank you for your nice email to me.



I, too, am a fan of the W.D. Taylor case! It's so fascinating to me, and I am a
Mabel fan, too.

Olive is very interesting to me, and there seems to be a few things on her in
the internet, but one seems to just rehash what the other one has said, which is
a bit disappointing. I think the one I just looked at yesterday, Memories of
Olive, was pretty nice and informative.  I first found out about her through
Kenneth Anger's "Hollywood Babylon", but knowing this book is alot of b.s., I
came away searching for more about this woman, mainly the truth.

I do like silent films, actually silents through the pre-code era is my
favorite.

The only film I've found on Olive is the boxed set you mentioned with "The
Flapper", and the bio.on her. I will have to search the internet further to find
more.

I did just purchase a book "Doug & Mary", and I'm sure there will be info on
Olive in that.

Thank you again, and I appreciate all of your great information.



Julie



--- On Thu, 6/4/09, kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com <kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com>
wrote:



From: kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com <kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book

To: TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 8:35 PM



hi, julie.  welcome to the group.  i

stumbled across the name "olive thomas" when i was perusing the

"taylorology" site a few years ago (yes, i'm one of those unflagging

optimists who figured i had a good shot at solving the ancient, unsolvable
murder of W.D. Taylor in my spare time; my labors have yielded no posthumous
indictments yet), and i've been voraciously

consuming any information i can find on her ever since.  i'm by no means

the most knowledgeable person in this group, but i'll offer my opinion for

whatever it's worth.  i got michelle vogel's book for christmas.  it

was a quick read and a little light on juicy facts, but it's a good place to

start if you're just beginning to learn about Olive.  there's very little

in the book that you couldn't pick up from your own research, but it's nice

that it's all in one place and saves you the trouble of having to troll around

for information on your own.  i will say it's full of beautiful

photographs -- many i had seen before and a few i had not.  it's a small

volume and fairly expensive for a paperback, so it might not seem like a very

good value unless you're a diehard fan of either Olive, her era or silent films

(i love all three, so even if i hadn't gotten it as a gift i would have been

happy to fork over the forty bucks for it myself).  i was hoping for more

historical information to establish a real context and ambience for Olive's

life story, but it seems like the author stayed pretty focused and didn't get

bogged down in a mire of esoteric facts that might bore or perplex a lay

person.  all in all, i think it's a good place to start, and definitely a

nice little addition to the library of any ardent silent film fan.  my

favorite era in film history is the 'teens (i think the films are fascinating

as historical artifacts), and it just doesn’t seem like i can ever find enough

information about that era.  in that sense, this book was a treat.

this doesn't feel like a "definitive" biography of Olive Thomas, but

perhaps there isn't more substantive information to be gleaned (my educational

background is classical languages and law, not film history, so i could very

well be wrong in my impressions! ).  so, anyway, my assessment is

definitely one of a lay person, but even still i didn't really learn anything

new from the book.  if you're just starting to learn about Ollie, however,

i think it would be an excellent place to start.  it's a fun, quick read,

and the photos are fantastic.  a little heavy on the details surrounding

Olive's death, I suppose, but that might simply be a matter of taste.



watch her films if you can find them.  "Love's Prisoner" is easily accessible. 
there's even a clip of "Beatrice Fairfax: Play Ball!" on youtube (with Olive
looking incredibly beautiful).  there's a box DVD set that includes Olive's 1920
film "The Flapper" and a short biographical documentary that's also very
accessible (caveat: the documentary' s narration is monotone and sometimes
dreadful, and i've heard there are some inaccuracies) .  past messages on this
site are fun to troll through if you have time to kill, and often informative. 
you can also indirectly learn a lot about Olive by reading and researching the

amazing times in which she lived and the colorful people who inhabited the inner
sanctum

(so to speak) and the periphery of her life.   anything about Flo

Ziegfeld or the Ziegfeld Follies, the Pickfords, the great Mabel Normand,
Alberto Vargas and early

cinema in general are seldom boring reads.



have fun!



kat



--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Julie <juliea0102@ yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Julie <juliea0102@ yahoo. com>

Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book

To: thenewcovenofolivet homas@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 7:43 PM



Hi all,



I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas The Life and Death
of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel, and wonder if any of you have it,
and if you recommend it or not.



Thank you!



Julie



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hy,

I'm very interested in Hollywood silent era.
if you have ani info or source about Taylor case or Ince case and obviously
about Olive, I'd appreciate if you send me.
also about the book about Olive, I'd be interested to get it but I don't know if
I can find it in Italy

best regards

Simone




________________________________
Da: Julie <juliea0102@...>
A: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Inviato: Venerdì 5 giugno 2009, 17:20:47
Oggetto: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Olive Thomas Book





Hi Kat,
 
Thank you for your nice email to me.
 
I, too, am a fan of the W.D. Taylor case! It's so fascinating to me, and I am a
Mabel fan, too.
Olive is very interesting to me, and there seems to be a few things on her in
the internet, but one seems to just rehash what the other one has said, which is
a bit disappointing. I think the one I just looked at yesterday, Memories
of Olive, was pretty nice and informative.  I first found out about her
through Kenneth Anger's "Hollywood Babylon", but knowing this book is alot of
b.s., I came away searching for more about this woman, mainly the truth.
I do like silent films, actually silents through the pre-code era is my
favorite.
The only film I've found on Olive is the boxed set you mentioned with "The
Flapper", and the bio.on her. I will have to search the internet further to find
more.
I did just purchase a book "Doug & Mary", and I'm sure there will be info on
Olive in that.
Thank you again, and I appreciate all of your great information.
 
Julie

--- On Thu, 6/4/09, kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com <kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com>
wrote:

From: kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com <kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 8:35 PM

hi, julie.  welcome to the group.  i
stumbled across the name "olive thomas" when i was perusing the
"taylorology" site a few years ago (yes, i'm one of those unflagging
optimists who figured i had a good shot at solving the ancient, unsolvable
murder of W.D. Taylor in my spare time; my labors have yielded no posthumous
indictments yet), and i've been voraciously
consuming any information i can find on her ever since.  i'm by no means
the most knowledgeable person in this group, but i'll offer my opinion for
whatever it's worth.  i got michelle vogel's book for christmas.  it
was a quick read and a little light on juicy facts, but it's a good place to
start if you're just beginning to learn about Olive.  there's very little
in the book that you couldn't pick up from your own research, but it's nice
that it's all in one place and saves you the trouble of having to troll around
for information on your own.  i will say it's full of beautiful
photographs -- many i had seen before and a few i had not.  it's a small
volume and fairly expensive for a paperback, so it might not seem like a very
good value unless you're a diehard fan of either Olive, her era or silent films
(i love all three, so even if i hadn't gotten it as a gift i would have been
happy to fork over the forty bucks for it myself).  i was hoping for more
historical information to establish a real context and ambience for Olive's
life story, but it seems like the author stayed pretty focused and didn't get
bogged down in a mire of esoteric facts that might bore or perplex a lay
person.  all in all, i think it's a good place to start, and definitely a
nice little addition to the library of any ardent silent film fan.  my
favorite era in film history is the 'teens (i think the films are fascinating
as historical artifacts), and it just doesn’t seem like i can ever find enough
information about that era.  in that sense, this book was a treat. 
this doesn't feel like a "definitive" biography of Olive Thomas, but
perhaps there isn't more substantive information to be gleaned (my educational
background is classical languages and law, not film history, so i could very
well be wrong in my impressions! ).  so, anyway, my assessment is
definitely one of a lay person, but even still i didn't really learn anything
new from the book.  if you're just starting to learn about Ollie, however,
i think it would be an excellent place to start.  it's a fun, quick read,
and the photos are fantastic.  a little heavy on the details surrounding
Olive's death, I suppose, but that might simply be a matter of taste.

watch her films if you can find them.  "Love's Prisoner" is easily
accessible.  there's even a clip of "Beatrice Fairfax: Play Ball!" on youtube
(with Olive looking incredibly beautiful).  there's a box DVD set that includes
Olive's 1920 film "The Flapper" and a short biographical documentary that's also
very accessible (caveat: the documentary' s narration is monotone and sometimes
dreadful, and i've heard there are some inaccuracies) .  past messages on this
site are fun to troll through if you have time to kill, and often informative. 
you can also indirectly learn a lot about Olive by reading and researching the
amazing times in which she lived and the colorful people who inhabited the inner
sanctum
(so to speak) and the periphery of her life.   anything about Flo
Ziegfeld or the Ziegfeld Follies, the Pickfords, the great Mabel Normand,
Alberto Vargas and early
cinema in general are seldom boring reads. 

have fun!

kat

--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Julie <juliea0102@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Julie <juliea0102@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book
To: thenewcovenofolivet homas@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 7:43 PM

Hi all,

I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas The Life and Death
of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel, and wonder if any of you have it,
and if you recommend it or not.

Thank you!

Julie

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Hi Bruce,
Thank you very much for that information.
Julie

--- On Sat, 6/6/09, Bruce Long <bruce@...> wrote:

From: Bruce Long <bruce@...>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Re: Olive Thomas Book
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 8:52 AM

















       >I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas

>The Life and Death of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel,

>and wonder if any of you have it,and if you recommend it or not.



For me, the big disappointment in the book was regarding the

press coverage of her death.  The English-language newspapers had

previously been combed for material fairly well, and I was hoping

the book would reveal what was being reported in the French press,

particularly the sensational newspapers.  I've always suspected that

there was a lot of material reported in the French press about

her death (and about the mysterious Capt. Spaulding) which never

made it into the more restrained English-language papers.



Bruce





























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To Julie -

I do hope you pick up a copy of my book. It WAS extensively researched, both
here and abroad.

Photos were amassed from several sources, including Joe Yranski's collection.
Most New Yorker's would be aware of Joe's impressive collection from the
Pickford estate. He also has quite the eye-popping Olive Thomas collection too.
Suzy Dwyer was kind enough to share her collection for photographic purposes
too.

Unfortunately, McFarland authors just write the books, we don't price them. Too
often complaints are made about the cost of a McFarland book and the author has
nothing to do with that aspect of the production. I certainly wish the books
were cheaper too. After all, affordability = more sales. With that said, the
prices have just gone up - again! Ugh! Amazon.com have very good discounts from
time to time so be sure to keep an eye out there.

Lastly, Julie I hope you enjoy your ongoing discovery of Olive. It promises to
be a trail of truth, fiction and many unanswered questions...

Best wishes -

Michelle Vogel

www.michellevogel.com





--- In TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Long <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> >I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas
> >The Life and Death of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel,
> >and wonder if any of you have it,and if you recommend it or not.
>
> For me, the big disappointment in the book was regarding the
> press coverage of her death.  The English-language newspapers had
> previously been combed for material fairly well, and I was hoping
> the book would reveal what was being reported in the French press,
> particularly the sensational newspapers.  I've always suspected that
> there was a lot of material reported in the French press about
> her death (and about the mysterious Capt. Spaulding) which never
> made it into the more restrained English-language papers.
>
> Bruce
>

>I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas
>The Life and Death of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel,
>and wonder if any of you have it,and if you recommend it or not.

For me, the big disappointment in the book was regarding the
press coverage of her death.  The English-language newspapers had
previously been combed for material fairly well, and I was hoping
the book would reveal what was being reported in the French press,
particularly the sensational newspapers.  I've always suspected that
there was a lot of material reported in the French press about
her death (and about the mysterious Capt. Spaulding) which never
made it into the more restrained English-language papers.

Bruce

Hi Kat,
 
Thank you for your nice email to me.
 
I, too, am a fan of the W.D. Taylor case! It's so fascinating to me, and I am a
Mabel fan, too.
Olive is very interesting to me, and there seems to be a few things on her in
the internet, but one seems to just rehash what the other one has said, which is
a bit disappointing. I think the one I just looked at yesterday, Memories
of Olive, was pretty nice and informative. I first found out about her through
Kenneth Anger's "Hollywood Babylon", but knowing this book is alot of b.s., I
came away searching for more about this woman, mainly the truth.
I do like silent films, actually silents through the pre-code era is my
favorite.
The only film I've found on Olive is the boxed set you mentioned with "The
Flapper", and the bio.on her. I will have to search the internet further to find
more.
I did just purchase a book "Doug & Mary", and I'm sure there will be info on
Olive in that.
Thank you again, and I appreciate all of your great information.
 
Julie


--- On Thu, 6/4/09, kathleenbarbosa@... <kathleenbarbosa@...> wrote:


From: kathleenbarbosa@... <kathleenbarbosa@...>
Subject: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Olive Thomas Book
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 8:35 PM








hi, julie.  welcome to the group.  i
stumbled across the name "olive thomas" when i was perusing the
"taylorology" site a few years ago (yes, i'm one of those unflagging
optimists who figured i had a good shot at solving the ancient, unsolvable
murder of W.D. Taylor in my spare time; my labors have yielded no posthumous
indictments yet), and i've been voraciously
consuming any information i can find on her ever since.  i'm by no means
the most knowledgeable person in this group, but i'll offer my opinion for
whatever it's worth.  i got michelle vogel's book for christmas.  it
was a quick read and a little light on juicy facts, but it's a good place to
start if you're just beginning to learn about Olive.  there's very little
in the book that you couldn't pick up from your own research, but it's nice
that it's all in one place and saves you the trouble of having to troll around
for information on your own.  i will say it's full of beautiful
photographs -- many i had seen before and a few i had not.  it's a small
volume and fairly expensive for a paperback, so it might not seem like a very
good value unless you're a diehard fan of either Olive, her era or silent films
(i love all three, so even if i hadn't gotten it as a gift i would have been
happy to fork over the forty bucks for it myself).  i was hoping for more
historical information to establish a real context and ambience for Olive's
life story, but it seems like the author stayed pretty focused and didn't get
bogged down in a mire of esoteric facts that might bore or perplex a lay
person.  all in all, i think it's a good place to start, and definitely a
nice little addition to the library of any ardent silent film fan.  my
favorite era in film history is the 'teens (i think the films are fascinating
as historical artifacts), and it just doesn’t seem like i can ever find enough
information about that era.  in that sense, this book was a treat. 
this doesn't feel like a "definitive" biography of Olive Thomas, but
perhaps there isn't more substantive information to be gleaned (my educational
background is classical languages and law, not film history, so i could very
well be wrong in my impressions! ).  so, anyway, my assessment is
definitely one of a lay person, but even still i didn't really learn anything
new from the book.  if you're just starting to learn about Ollie, however,
i think it would be an excellent place to start.  it's a fun, quick read,
and the photos are fantastic.  a little heavy on the details surrounding
Olive's death, I suppose, but that might simply be a matter of taste.

watch her films if you can find them.  "Love's Prisoner" is easily
accessible.  there's even a clip of "Beatrice Fairfax: Play Ball!" on youtube
(with Olive looking incredibly beautiful).  there's a box DVD set that includes
Olive's 1920 film "The Flapper" and a short biographical documentary that's also
very accessible (caveat: the documentary' s narration is monotone and sometimes
dreadful, and i've heard there are some inaccuracies) .  past messages on this
site are fun to troll through if you have time to kill, and often informative. 
you can also indirectly learn a lot about Olive by reading and researching the
amazing times in which she lived and the colorful people who inhabited the inner
sanctum
(so to speak) and the periphery of her life.   anything about Flo
Ziegfeld or the Ziegfeld Follies, the Pickfords, the great Mabel Normand,
Alberto Vargas and early
cinema in general are seldom boring reads. 

have fun!

kat

--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Julie <juliea0102@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Julie <juliea0102@yahoo. com>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book
To: thenewcovenofolivet homas@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 7:43 PM

Hi all,

I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas The Life and Death
of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel, and wonder if any of you have it,
and if you recommend it or not.

Thank you!

Julie

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hi, julie.  welcome to the group.  i
stumbled across the name "olive thomas" when i was perusing the
"taylorology" site a few years ago (yes, i'm one of those unflagging
optimists who figured i had a good shot at solving the ancient, unsolvable
murder of W.D. Taylor in my spare time; my labors have yielded no posthumous
indictments yet), and i've been voraciously
consuming any information i can find on her ever since.  i'm by no means
the most knowledgeable person in this group, but i'll offer my opinion for
whatever it's worth.  i got michelle vogel's book for christmas.  it
was a quick read and a little light on juicy facts, but it's a good place to
start if you're just beginning to learn about Olive.  there's very little
in the book that you couldn't pick up from your own research, but it's nice
that it's all in one place and saves you the trouble of having to troll around
for information on your own.  i will say it's full of beautiful
photographs -- many i had seen before and a few i had not.  it's a small
volume and fairly expensive for a paperback, so it might not seem like a very
good value unless you're a diehard fan of either Olive, her era or silent films
(i love all three, so even if i hadn't gotten it as a gift i would have been
happy to fork over the forty bucks for it myself).  i was hoping for more
historical information to establish a real context and ambience for Olive's
life story, but it seems like the author stayed pretty focused and didn't get
bogged down in a mire of esoteric facts that might bore or perplex a lay
person.  all in all, i think it's a good place to start, and definitely a
nice little addition to the library of any ardent silent film fan.  my
favorite era in film history is the 'teens (i think the films are fascinating
as historical artifacts), and it just doesn’t seem like i can ever find enough
information about that era.  in that sense, this book was a treat. 
this doesn't feel like a "definitive" biography of Olive Thomas, but
perhaps there isn't more substantive information to be gleaned (my educational
background is classical languages and law, not film history, so i could very
well be wrong in my impressions!).  so, anyway, my assessment is
definitely one of a lay person, but even still i didn't really learn anything
new from the book.  if you're just starting to learn about Ollie, however,
i think it would be an excellent place to start.  it's a fun, quick read,
and the photos are fantastic.  a little heavy on the details surrounding
Olive's death, I suppose, but that might simply be a matter of taste.


watch her films if you can find them.  "Love's Prisoner" is easily
accessible.  there's even a clip of "Beatrice Fairfax: Play Ball!" on youtube
(with Olive looking incredibly beautiful).  there's a box DVD set that includes
Olive's 1920 film "The Flapper" and a short biographical documentary that's also
very accessible (caveat: the documentary's narration is monotone and sometimes
dreadful, and i've heard there are some inaccuracies).  past messages on this
site are fun to troll through if you have time to kill, and often informative. 
you can also indirectly learn a lot about Olive by reading and researching the
amazing times in which she lived and the colorful people who inhabited the inner
sanctum
(so to speak) and the periphery of her life.   anything about Flo
Ziegfeld or the Ziegfeld Follies, the Pickfords, the great Mabel Normand,
Alberto Vargas and early
cinema in general are seldom boring reads. 



have fun!



kat







--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Julie <juliea0102@...> wrote:

From: Julie <juliea0102@...>
Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Olive Thomas Book
To: thenewcovenofolivethomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 7:43 PM

















       Hi all,

I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas The Life and Death
of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel, and wonder if any of you have it,
and if you recommend it or not.

Thank you!

Julie



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Hi all,
I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas The Life and Death
of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel, and wonder if any of you have it,
and if you recommend it or not.
Thank you!
Julie





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