hi, simone.  i don't know much about the death of thomas ince, but i find the
taylor case interesting. by far the best source for information that i've found
is Bruce Long's "William Desmond Taylor: A Dossier," which is an extensive
collection of reprinted contemporary newspaper articles and other primary source
materials.  there are a couple of other well-known books about the william
desmond taylor case that are frequently cited in articles and discussions of the
case -- Robert Giroux's "A Deed of Death" and Sidney Kirkpatrick's "A Cast of
Killers."  i've only glanced through these two books, however, and can't really
recommend them; i also hear that there are some inaccuracies in both books. 
there's also www.taylorology.com, an excellent online journal edited by Bruce
Long where you can also find contemporary sources, including some articles about
olive thomas and other interesting silent film personalities, like olive's
sister-in-law mary
pickford, as well as roscoe arbuckle, mabel normand and wally reid, among
others.

those are the most obvious places i can think to start with the taylor case. 
hope that's at least remotely helpful.  have fun!

kat


--- On Mon, 6/8/09, simone sbrana <callimaco2003@...> wrote:

From: simone sbrana <callimaco2003@...>
Subject: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas] Olive Thomas Book
To: TheNewCovenOfOliveThomas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 10:29 AM

















Hy,



I'm very interested in Hollywood silent era.

if you have ani info or source about Taylor case or Ince case and obviously
about Olive, I'd appreciate if you send me.

also about the book about Olive, I'd be interested to get it but I don't know if
I can find it in Italy



best regards



Simone



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Da: Julie <juliea0102@yahoo. com>

A: TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com

Inviato: Venerdì 5 giugno 2009, 17:20:47

Oggetto: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book



Hi Kat,



Thank you for your nice email to me.



I, too, am a fan of the W.D. Taylor case! It's so fascinating to me, and I am a
Mabel fan, too.

Olive is very interesting to me, and there seems to be a few things on her in
the internet, but one seems to just rehash what the other one has said, which is
a bit disappointing. I think the one I just looked at yesterday, Memories of
Olive, was pretty nice and informative. I first found out about her through
Kenneth Anger's "Hollywood Babylon", but knowing this book is alot of b.s., I
came away searching for more about this woman, mainly the truth.

I do like silent films, actually silents through the pre-code era is my
favorite.

The only film I've found on Olive is the boxed set you mentioned with "The
Flapper", and the bio.on her. I will have to search the internet further to find
more.

I did just purchase a book "Doug & Mary", and I'm sure there will be info on
Olive in that.

Thank you again, and I appreciate all of your great information.



Julie



--- On Thu, 6/4/09, kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com <kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com>
wrote:



From: kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com <kathleenbarbosa@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book

To: TheNewCovenOfOliveT homas@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 8:35 PM



hi, julie. welcome to the group. i

stumbled across the name "olive thomas" when i was perusing the

"taylorology" site a few years ago (yes, i'm one of those unflagging

optimists who figured i had a good shot at solving the ancient, unsolvable
murder of W.D. Taylor in my spare time; my labors have yielded no posthumous
indictments yet), and i've been voraciously

consuming any information i can find on her ever since. i'm by no means

the most knowledgeable person in this group, but i'll offer my opinion for

whatever it's worth. i got michelle vogel's book for christmas. it

was a quick read and a little light on juicy facts, but it's a good place to

start if you're just beginning to learn about Olive. there's very little

in the book that you couldn't pick up from your own research, but it's nice

that it's all in one place and saves you the trouble of having to troll around

for information on your own. i will say it's full of beautiful

photographs -- many i had seen before and a few i had not. it's a small

volume and fairly expensive for a paperback, so it might not seem like a very

good value unless you're a diehard fan of either Olive, her era or silent films

(i love all three, so even if i hadn't gotten it as a gift i would have been

happy to fork over the forty bucks for it myself). i was hoping for more

historical information to establish a real context and ambience for Olive's

life story, but it seems like the author stayed pretty focused and didn't get

bogged down in a mire of esoteric facts that might bore or perplex a lay

person. all in all, i think it's a good place to start, and definitely a

nice little addition to the library of any ardent silent film fan. my

favorite era in film history is the 'teens (i think the films are fascinating

as historical artifacts), and it just doesn’t seem like i can ever find enough

information about that era. in that sense, this book was a treat.

this doesn't feel like a "definitive" biography of Olive Thomas, but

perhaps there isn't more substantive information to be gleaned (my educational

background is classical languages and law, not film history, so i could very

well be wrong in my impressions! ). so, anyway, my assessment is

definitely one of a lay person, but even still i didn't really learn anything

new from the book. if you're just starting to learn about Ollie, however,

i think it would be an excellent place to start. it's a fun, quick read,

and the photos are fantastic. a little heavy on the details surrounding

Olive's death, I suppose, but that might simply be a matter of taste.



watch her films if you can find them. "Love's Prisoner" is easily accessible.
there's even a clip of "Beatrice Fairfax: Play Ball!" on youtube (with Olive
looking incredibly beautiful). there's a box DVD set that includes Olive's 1920
film "The Flapper" and a short biographical documentary that's also very
accessible (caveat: the documentary' s narration is monotone and sometimes
dreadful, and i've heard there are some inaccuracies) . past messages on this
site are fun to troll through if you have time to kill, and often informative.
you can also indirectly learn a lot about Olive by reading and researching the

amazing times in which she lived and the colorful people who inhabited the inner
sanctum

(so to speak) and the periphery of her life. anything about Flo

Ziegfeld or the Ziegfeld Follies, the Pickfords, the great Mabel Normand,
Alberto Vargas and early

cinema in general are seldom boring reads.



have fun!



kat



--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Julie <juliea0102@ yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Julie <juliea0102@ yahoo. com>

Subject: [TheNewCovenOfOlive Thomas] Olive Thomas Book

To: thenewcovenofolivet homas@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 7:43 PM



Hi all,



I am interested in this book on Olive Thomas, "Olive Thomas The Life and Death
of a Silent Film Beauty" by Michelle Vogel, and wonder if any of you have it,
and if you recommend it or not.



Thank you!



Julie



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