Hey did everyone see the new poster for Cassandra's Dream ...OOOOO

look at Sally's name right there in the middle between Ewan &

Colin..that's right, thats what we like to see... =)



http://www.worstpreviews.com/media.php?id=776&place=poster

Just an fyi with a few personal asides (and a by-the-by:  Great

discussion on the art of film and the arts in general - I'm pretty

much an unschooled peasant so it's fun to follow.  Annabel, totally

agree with you about story/screenplay being the bedrock of a good

film...and Irina, your comments on improvisation immediately bring to

mind Mike Leigh's process - spur-of-the-moment after painstaking

research and preparation, resulting in fully realized characters and

script, the best balance of opposites I've ever come across).



Anyway, besides the three new photos in the Cassandra's Dream folder,

if you go to www.colinfarrellfansite.com, you'll find a few more

photos from the film, including "exclusives" for that fansite (which

is why I didn't steal them for this fansite :-), including a photo of

Sally's character peacefully sleeping in bed with Colin's character

(who is not sleeping so peacefully, obviously worried about the sh*t

he's gotten himself into), with her head pillowed on his shoulder

(hmm, didn't a Sally character have her head pillowed on somebody

elses shoulder a couple of years ago? ;p).



Anyway, if you go to the Colin site (just scroll down on the homepage

and you'll find links to the pics), you can see larger versions of

the pics than Yahoo allows.  *Much* larger versions if you have a

17"x10" or so flat-screen monitor like I have (Sally's gorgeous as

always, blonde hair, dark roots, fake nails and all :-)



Marcia (www.ewanmcgregor.net has Cassandra pics too, but I think you

have to register on the site to see them.)

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "mjmarsh244" <arjjr@...> wrote:

>

> Just an fyi with a few personal asides (and a by-the-by:  Great

> discussion on the art of film and the arts in general - I'm pretty

> much an unschooled peasant so it's fun to follow.  Annabel,

totally

> agree with you about story/screenplay being the bedrock of a good

> film...and Irina, your comments on improvisation immediately bring

to

> mind Mike Leigh's process - spur-of-the-moment after painstaking

> research and preparation, resulting in fully realized characters

and

> script, the best balance of opposites I've ever come across).

>

> Anyway, besides the three new photos in the Cassandra's Dream

folder,

> if you go to www.colinfarrellfansite.com, you'll find a few more

> photos from the film, including "exclusives" for that fansite

(which

> is why I didn't steal them for this fansite :-), including a photo

of

> Sally's character peacefully sleeping in bed with Colin's

character

> (who is not sleeping so peacefully, obviously worried about the

sh*t

> he's gotten himself into), with her head pillowed on his shoulder

> (hmm, didn't a Sally character have her head pillowed on somebody

> elses shoulder a couple of years ago? ;p).

>

> Anyway, if you go to the Colin site (just scroll down on the

homepage

> and you'll find links to the pics), you can see larger versions of

> the pics than Yahoo allows.  *Much* larger versions if you have a

> 17"x10" or so flat-screen monitor like I have (Sally's gorgeous as

> always, blonde hair, dark roots, fake nails and all :-)

>

> Marcia (www.ewanmcgregor.net has Cassandra pics too, but I think

you

> have to register on the site to see them.)





Thanks for the pics, Marcia :) Good idea not to steal the

exclusives - I'll make contact and ask nicely for them. Anyone else

think Sally really suits blonde?? :O







Fizz

lol !! you really titillate me miss Banner... well, for those who don't

know, I rather think (half long) black hair suits her more..because her

natural brown/black hair emphasise her green and bubbling eyes.. ;)



Annabel (anyway, her soul/heart/brain gets all the color of the rainbow)





--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "fizzandcrackle"

<florence_banner@...> wrote:

>>

> Thanks for the pics, Marcia :)

  Anyone else think Sally really suits blonde?? :O

>

>

>

> Fizz

>

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "fizzandcrackle"

<florence_banner@...> wrote:

> Anyone else  think Sally really suits blonde?? :O

>

> Fizz



oh hell no. brunette all the way. ;)





(and mad props to marcia again for such a fine catch)

--- podunk1978 <podunk1978@...> wrote:



> --- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com,

> "fizzandcrackle"

> <florence_banner@...> wrote:

> > Anyone else  think Sally really suits blonde?? :O

> >

> > Fizz

>

> oh hell no. brunette all the way. ;)



Preach it, Sistah!



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--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, Sue Wahoo <sue.wahoo@...> wrote:

>

>

> --- podunk1978 <podunk1978@...> wrote:

>

> > --- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com,

> > "fizzandcrackle"

> > <florence_banner@> wrote:

> > > Anyone else  think Sally really suits blonde?? :O

> > >

> > > Fizz

> >

> > oh hell no. brunette all the way. ;)

>

> Preach it, Sistah!

>

> sue





Lol! Of course her natural colour is lovely (someone mentioned the

green of her eyes being brought out - agree) but I am also strangely

attracted to the blonde! She has a versatile face....think she can

get away with it :)









Fizz

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "fizzandcrackle"

<florence_banner@...> wrote:



> green of her eyes being brought out - agree) but I am also strangely

> attracted to the blonde! She has a versatile face....think she can

> get away with it :)

>

> Fizz





yeah she does have a pretty versatile look--I'm sure she'd probably

still look great with an eye patch and peroxide corn-rows (well, maybe

in the dark ;).



I think it's the natural-ness that I like---whereas the obvious fake

dyed stuff often feels like someone trying way too hard (which isn't

too attractive to me). then again, Haley Atwell's character seems to

have that natural-beauty look going on in the film, so maybe Sally's

character/look is in direct opposition to that for good reason.





hey, didn't she actually have cornrows in some film? lol.

Ah Marcia, you lead the troops !! lol !! just saw these pics a couple

of hours ago ; and about a Sally character having her head pillowed

on somebody elses shoulder a couple of years ago.. I don't know what

you are talking about.. ;) :P



Annabel (a real great catch MJ, as usual)





--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "mjmarsh244" <arjjr@...> wrote:

>

> Just an fyi with a few personal asides (and a by-the-by:  Great

> discussion on the art of film and the arts in general - I'm pretty

> much an unschooled peasant so it's fun to follow.  Annabel, totally

> agree with you about story/screenplay being the bedrock of a good

> film...and Irina, your comments on improvisation immediately bring

to

> mind Mike Leigh's process - spur-of-the-moment after painstaking

> research and preparation, resulting in fully realized characters

and

> script, the best balance of opposites I've ever come across).

>

> Anyway, besides the three new photos in the Cassandra's Dream

folder,

> if you go to www.colinfarrellfansite.com, you'll find a few more

> photos from the film, including "exclusives" for that fansite

(which

> is why I didn't steal them for this fansite :-), including a photo

of

> Sally's character peacefully sleeping in bed with Colin's character

> (who is not sleeping so peacefully, obviously worried about the

sh*t

> he's gotten himself into), with her head pillowed on his shoulder

> (hmm, didn't a Sally character have her head pillowed on somebody

> elses shoulder a couple of years ago? ;p).

>

> Anyway, if you go to the Colin site (just scroll down on the

homepage

> and you'll find links to the pics), you can see larger versions of

> the pics than Yahoo allows.  *Much* larger versions if you have a

> 17"x10" or so flat-screen monitor like I have (Sally's gorgeous as

> always, blonde hair, dark roots, fake nails and all :-)

>

> Marcia (www.ewanmcgregor.net has Cassandra pics too, but I think

you

> have to register on the site to see them.)

>

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "annabel" <amiedheloise@...> wrote:

>

> Ah Marcia, you lead the troops !! lol !! just saw these pics a couple

> of hours ago ; and about a Sally character having her head pillowed

> on somebody elses shoulder a couple of years ago.. I don't know what

> you are talking about.. ;) :P

>

> Annabel (a real great catch MJ, as usual)

>



Lol Annabel!  Considering that leading the troops can be a very

dangerous thing to do, I think I'd rather just settle for a position as

information officer, or maybe just scout, as long as I can stick to the

treeline and underbrush ;)



Looking at those pics of Sally in Cassandra's Dream, and then thinking

about her most recently broadcast role as Anne Elliot in Persuasion,

I'm amazed all over again at how versatile she is.  Such a fantastic

shape shifter!



Marcia (*just smilin'*)

Cassandra's Dream opened up in my neck of the woods yesterday. As for

the movie itself - so much more could have been done to improve it, I

wouldn't know where to begin.



Colin Farrell's rendition of his character was great - as was Tom

Wilkinson as the uncle.  I wasn't too impressed with Ian MacGregor

and Hayley Atwell.  They seemed too much like many of the other

characters they'd portrayed in the past. And as always Sally does not

disappoint - her ability to become her character is as always

faultless. She is truly talented.

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "mlb6524" <mlb6524@...> wrote:

>

> Cassandra's Dream opened up in my neck of the woods yesterday. As

for

> the movie itself - so much more could have been done to improve it,

I

> wouldn't know where to begin.

>

> Colin Farrell's rendition of his character was great - as was Tom

> Wilkinson as the uncle.  I wasn't too impressed with Ian MacGregor

> and Hayley Atwell.  They seemed too much like many of the other

> characters they'd portrayed in the past. And as always Sally does

not

> disappoint - her ability to become her character is as always

> faultless. She is truly talented.

>



It opened up in my neck of the woods as well on Friday, although only

at one theater which is very inconvenient for me to get to.  If it

opens up more widely and closer to me I may be able to find the time

get out and see it.  I have a feeling I'll be waiting for

cable/satellite and/or DVD though.



If you google on news for Cassandra's Dream, you'll find scads of

reviews on it, and most of them are pretty much in line with your

thoughts mlb, including Sally's performance.  While the concentration

is on Woody, Colin, and Ewan of course, those that do throw out a

comment on Sally's performance are all positive.  One reviewer went

so far as to say that Sally was the only one who made her character

truly believable (or words to that effect)!



It's not a bad film on the whole from what I've gathered, and many

(including folks like Heart who if I'm remembering correctly saw it

awhile ago) liked it or at least found it decent enough.  It's just

that any Woody Allen film, at this stage, is judged in comparison

with the best of previous Woody Allen films.  And some of those are

absolute classics (whether you've ever liked Woody Allen films or

not).



He loves to make films, and pumps one out just about every year now.

Good for him, and he truly could care less what anybody thinks,

but...I'm with those who are of the opinion that he should slow down,

look for a little new inspiration, and do a new film every 3-4 years

or so.



Marcia (still like Woody, but I just couldn't sit through Scoop

*rolls eyes*)

I watched Cassandra's Dream this afternoon.

I really enjoyed this Allen's tragic style: the plot was quite

predictable, but it gripped me...I can't say more.

I just don't understand why some people around me in the cinema kept

laughing during scenes which weren't funny at all, even after

the 'family is family, blood is blood' line... *tut tut* Do you think

they were laughing just because it's a Woody Allen film?

Anyway, the score is beautiful, it reminded me of 'The Hours'. I'll

buy the CD as soon as it is released!

I found the performance of Ewan Mcgregor and Hayley Atwell a bit

weak, but Colin Farrell struck me most: gosh, he's brilliant in this

film, I can still feel his anxiety. Although I have to admit that

sometimes I was distracted by his eyebrows...they're hypnotic! But

nothing compared to Sally's unique eyebrows, obviously :)

And then a few words about Sally: she is so adorable and sweet, even

with blonde extensions and (fake?) long nails ;P

It's always a bit disturbing listening to her speaking with another

voice (especially if the dubbing voice belongs to the actress who

usually dubs Scarlett Johansson...), but I liked her a lot. She's

great as usual.

Yeah, I get it about the eyebrow thing.  Don't you suppose they're

shaped with electrolysis?  I didn't think normal eyebrows grew in so

dainty and perfect, without any stray hairs.  Impossible! (Irish

unibrow, female, speaking [not as bad as Colin's])



In some parts of the film they dubbed in her lines?  What?



Please, do tell...



kathy



--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "dana_7385" <dana_7385@...>

wrote:

>

> I watched Cassandra's Dream this afternoon.

> I really enjoyed this Allen's tragic style: the plot was quite

> predictable, but it gripped me...I can't say more.

> I just don't understand why some people around me in the cinema

kept

> laughing during scenes which weren't funny at all, even after

> the 'family is family, blood is blood' line... *tut tut* Do you

think

> they were laughing just because it's a Woody Allen film?

> Anyway, the score is beautiful, it reminded me of 'The Hours'. I'll

> buy the CD as soon as it is released!

> I found the performance of Ewan Mcgregor and Hayley Atwell a bit

> weak, but Colin Farrell struck me most: gosh, he's brilliant in

this

> film, I can still feel his anxiety. Although I have to admit that

> sometimes I was distracted by his eyebrows...they're hypnotic! But

> nothing compared to Sally's unique eyebrows, obviously :)

> And then a few words about Sally: she is so adorable and sweet,

even

> with blonde extensions and (fake?) long nails ;P

> It's always a bit disturbing listening to her speaking with another

> voice (especially if the dubbing voice belongs to the actress who

> usually dubs Scarlett Johansson...), but I liked her a lot. She's

> great as usual.

>

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "kateinhilo" <kateinhilo@...>

wrote:

>

> Yeah, I get it about the eyebrow thing.  Don't you suppose they're

> shaped with electrolysis?  I didn't think normal eyebrows grew in

so

> dainty and perfect, without any stray hairs.  Impossible! (Irish

> unibrow, female, speaking [not as bad as Colin's])

>

> In some parts of the film they dubbed in her lines?  What?

>

> Please, do tell...

>

> kathy

>



Not in some parts, but the entire Cassandra's Dream was dubbed.

In Italy we always watch dubbed films, never the original versions.

Sometimes programmes have subs, but I think it's just on MTV...(like

Little Britain, for instance. Fortunately it's not dubbed). For the

rest...film are aaaaalways dubbed. Here if you watch the subtitled

versions, it's usually because you know the language, or you wanna

learn it.



Dubbing has always been considered a sort of...art here in Italy.

Italian voices tend to recreate the same pathos, and are usually very

similar to the original actors' voices, so that they don't have to

dub all the little peculiar sounds, like coughs, sighs, sometimes

laughters.



Famous actors tend always to be dubbed by the same Italian voices.

Take Woody Allen: he's been dubbed by Oreste Lionello, an Italian

famous comedian, for over 40 years! (but I remember a strange

interview Woody Allen had in an Italian television programme two

years ago, at the time of Matchpoint release: obviously Woody was

speaking in English, and there was the voice-over of Oreste Lionello

translating him. When Woody was asked about God, death, and

religions, he declared his well-known atheism. At that point, Oreste

Lionello refused to go on translating the interview, because he's

Catholic.)



On one hand, dubbing isn't such a bad solution: at least, you can

follow all the actions without wasting time reading subtitles. And I

must admit that I prefer listening to some actors when they're

dubbed...(like Hugh Grant, or Ewan Mcgregor)

On the other hand, it's true that you are wasting half of the film,

and sometimes half of the actors' talent.

For example, take All or Nothing. I watched both the original and the

dubbed version. I think the actors' thick accents are an important

part of the film, but it's completely wasted in the Italian version,

because you hear actors speak standard Italian, without any accent at

all. Imagine Sally or Daniel Mays using RP...



And as I've already said, if you know the actor's real voice, the new

voice is weird and disturbing! While watching Cassandra's Dream

yesterday, I was thinking that Sally's dubbing voice was good at

recreating her sweetness, but I couldn't help imagining Sally's real

voice in certain lines, just from her facial expressions. Ha ha ha,

her character is so cute, that I went on giggling and smiling like an

idiot during her first scenes, then I tried to be a bit more

composed... :)

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "dana_7385" <dana_7385@...>

wrote:

>

> I watched Cassandra's Dream this afternoon.

> I really enjoyed this Allen's tragic style: the plot was quite

> predictable, but it gripped me...I can't say more.

> I just don't understand why some people around me in the cinema

kept

> laughing during scenes which weren't funny at all, even after

> the 'family is family, blood is blood' line... *tut tut* Do you

think

> they were laughing just because it's a Woody Allen film?

> Anyway, the score is beautiful, it reminded me of 'The Hours'. I'll

> buy the CD as soon as it is released!

> I found the performance of Ewan Mcgregor and Hayley Atwell a bit

> weak, but Colin Farrell struck me most: gosh, he's brilliant in

this

> film, I can still feel his anxiety. Although I have to admit that

> sometimes I was distracted by his eyebrows...they're hypnotic! But

> nothing compared to Sally's unique eyebrows, obviously :)

> And then a few words about Sally: she is so adorable and sweet,

even

> with blonde extensions and (fake?) long nails ;P

> It's always a bit disturbing listening to her speaking with another

> voice (especially if the dubbing voice belongs to the actress who

> usually dubs Scarlett Johansson...), but I liked her a lot. She's

> great as usual.

>



Fantastic you got to see this Dana!  It was playing in my metro area

here in the States for a couple of weeks, but alas it's disappeared

already.  I'm determined to catch it on cable/satellite later on

though.



Shame they didn't show a subtitled version rather than a dubbed

version.  I hate dubbed versions of films.  Even if I can't

understand a word of the language, I can still pick up on the nuances

of the original spoken performances with the help of the subtitles.

I can't imagine watching something like Pan's Labyrinth, for

instance, in a dubbed version!



Marcia (I feel like I'm losing half the film when they dub it, blech!)

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "mjmarsh244" <arjjr@...> wrote:



> Shame they didn't show a subtitled version rather than a dubbed

> version.  I hate dubbed versions of films.  Even if I can't

> understand a word of the language, I can still pick up on the nuances

> of the original spoken performances with the help of the subtitles.

> I can't imagine watching something like Pan's Labyrinth, for

> instance, in a dubbed version!

>

> Marcia (I feel like I'm losing half the film when they dub it, blech!)





oh, I dunno---watching a passionately dubbed version of the crap-fest

  that was Pearl Harbor (ben afleck/josh hartnett) in Spain made the

film amazingly watchable, if not somewhat confusing.



  But yeah, I agree---in dubbing, you're losing a big chunk of

the film --(or better put, getting two performances at the same time).

And the whole thing often becomes inadvertently funny--I always think

of those classic Hong Kong films (i.e. Bruce Lee films) where an actor

clearly gives a 10 minute, long-winded monologue, yet the dubbing is

something like "I feel bad", in a stiff american news anchor voice.

--- podunk1978 <podunk1978@...> wrote:



> --- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "mjmarsh244"

> <arjjr@...> wrote:

>

> >I hate dubbed versions of films.

>

> oh, I dunno---watching a passionately dubbed version

> of the crap-fest

>  that was Pearl Harbor (ben afleck/josh hartnett) in

> Spain made the

> film amazingly watchable, if not somewhat confusing.



**That movie was beyond a crap-fest. I know this

probably doesn't count but the dubbing done on Studio

Ghibli Japanese anime (in conjunction with Disney) is

spectacular. They really did an excellent job with the

great actors they chose. The annoying thing they *did*

do to the films was that, apparently, Americans are

used to having more music in the films. Disney had Joe

Hisaishi (does the music on most Ghibli works) write

more music because Americans can't handle silence. I

say, wha? and bullbeans. Watch the Japanese version of

Nausicaa and you're met with these stunning and highly

appropriate moments of total silence. Listen to the

American version and there's all these violins and

crap. That annoys me.



>  But yeah, I agree---in dubbing, you're losing a big

> chunk of

> the film --(or better put, getting two performances

> at the same time).

> And the whole thing often becomes inadvertently

> funny--I always think

> of those classic Hong Kong films (i.e. Bruce Lee

> films) where an actor

> clearly gives a 10 minute, long-winded monologue,

> yet the dubbing is

> something like "I feel bad", in a stiff american

> news anchor voice.



**And, yet, it's so brilliant :)



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--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "podunk1978" <podunk1978@...>

wrote:

>



> oh, I dunno---watching a passionately dubbed version of the crap-

fest

>  that was Pearl Harbor (ben afleck/josh hartnett) in Spain made the

> film amazingly watchable, if not somewhat confusing.

>

>  But yeah, I agree---in dubbing, you're losing a big chunk of

> the film --(or better put, getting two performances at the same

time).

> And the whole thing often becomes inadvertently funny--I always

think

> of those classic Hong Kong films (i.e. Bruce Lee films) where an

actor

> clearly gives a 10 minute, long-winded monologue, yet the dubbing is

> something like "I feel bad", in a stiff american news anchor voice.

>



Heh, well like Sue said, in cases like this dubbing is brilliant.  I

can take that kind of dubbing, because really, who could watch a

vintage Japanese Godzilla or kung fu flick without it!



Marcia (and now my mind's wandering to all those classic MST3K

showings...sigh... :-)

--- mjmarsh244 <arjjr@...> wrote:





> Marcia (and now my mind's wandering to all those

> classic MST3K showings...sigh... :-)



Sigh no longer. Shout Factory has bought the rights to

all MST3K and will start releasing all of them on DVD.

I read about it earlier this week.



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Just last night, I watched the Woody Allen film from last year. I may have

missed earlier discussions about it, but I'm interested to know if others saw

it.



I had a double-barrelled reaction to it: the first half felt stilted and

actor-y; almost not worth watching to the end. Sally was perhaps the most

natural one in the cast, but still, it all felt so much less authentic than Mike

Leigh's work.



But then, in the second half, it took off. I lost all sense of watching people

act, and got completely absorbed in the dark, painful story. Colin Farrell in

particular was superb as a guy wracked with guilt and falling apart, unable to

deal with what he'd done wrong.



The women in the film, including Sally, seemed incidental; it was the story of

the two brothers and their uncle. Sally's role was a pale version of her

Happy-Go-Lucky character; she did well, despite not being given much to say or

do but be the loyal girlfriend.



So I'd give it a B: a C+ beginning and the A-rated second half.



Anyone else see it or have thoughts on it?



Karla

--- In SallyHawkins@yahoogroups.com, "Karla V." <karlav98@...> wrote:

>

> Just last night, I watched the Woody Allen film from last year. I may have

missed earlier discussions about it, but I'm interested to know if others saw

it.

>

> I had a double-barrelled reaction to it: the first half felt stilted and

actor-y; almost not worth watching to the end. Sally was perhaps the most

natural one in the cast, but still, it all felt so much less authentic than Mike

Leigh's work.

>

> But then, in the second half, it took off. I lost all sense of watching people

act, and got completely absorbed in the dark, painful story. Colin Farrell in

particular was superb as a guy wracked with guilt and falling apart, unable to

deal with what he'd done wrong.

>

> The women in the film, including Sally, seemed incidental; it was the story of

the two brothers and their uncle. Sally's role was a pale version of her

Happy-Go-Lucky character; she did well, despite not being given much to say or

do but be the loyal girlfriend.

>

> So I'd give it a B: a C+ beginning and the A-rated second half.

>

> Anyone else see it or have thoughts on it?

>

> Karla

>



Hi Karla,



I've only seen a few extended scenes of Cassandra's Dream, so can't really judge

properly.  But I have say that what I saw seemed to have potential, but just

definitely never got there.  Not atypical of some of Woody's endeavors.  Shame,

but I agree; what I saw of Sally and Colin was probably the most real.  They

were obviously doing their best with what they were given.  Too bad they

couldn't have hit a better Woody year as far as his output these days goes (I

know he's known for doing a picture a year now, but jeez; I think he'd better

serve his fans not to mention himself if he'd take a little more time per

film...every other year maybe?



Marcia (too bad Sally didn't get in on Vicky Christina Barcelona!)