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Well, seeing as how you seem to think that any response to this is going to be ignorant, especially since I'm very much Pro-America and you have shown that you have a problem with that then I guess there is little point in responding, is there?
What I will say is this: You need to look at yourself when you post words such as this. You and others like you like to place yourselves above those of us who DO understand what is going on and look at the world through the eyes of a citizen of a Nation who was unjustly, illegally if you like, attacked on September 11, 2001. Unlike many, there are those of us who have not forgotten the 3,000 innocent men, women and children who were murdered that day for no other reason than being Americans and being in or near those Towers. You may want to make some rationalization that makes America the 'bad guy' in this conflict, and yes that is your right, but you have to understand this isnt a Care Bears world anymore. WE were attacked first, our fellow citizens were murdered in cold blood for no reason whatsoever.
So, if wanting my nation to be free and safe, if placing the future of myself, my loved ones and my Nation above those of scum sucking terrorists makes me ignorant, well, for once, and only once, I'm going to be ignorant. But this also changes the meaning of that word, doesnt it?
Also, you need, and when I say you I'm using a blanket term so dont think I'm picking on just you, but you need to stop thinking that every time someone disagrees with you that we are questioning your patriotism. But people who want to protect terrorists and want to afford them rights they dont get or deserve have to make me wonder which side they are on.
As for the 'legal' and 'war' remark, it was simply pointing out the stupidity of that argument. It was badly done I admit I was rushed for time.
Fact is NOONE wants war. But when you have your 'balls to the wall' so to speak, you have to take a stand. No other nation would.
We did. It sucks it had to be us but at least the US is finally taking a stand. And I'm very proud of that.
Lisa Race <mystical_frog@...> wrote:
Lisa Race <mystical_frog@...> wrote:
Zarathos~
Glad you remember me from my innocent mistake the VERY FIRST TIME I POSTED (you were so kind to
point it out in the way you did)...
In your own very well educated opinion, why are the words "war" and "legal" incompatible? Do we
not prosecute people for "war crimes"...by that very idea, does that not mean that there are, in
fact, LAWS that must be followed during war time. I believe these laws were created during the
Geneva Conventions. If you would like to familiarize yuorself with these laws, please see the
following link:
http://www.genevaconventions.org/
In addition, you may find this link helpful:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/lawwar.htm
From Yale University Law School, the Avalon project, documenting the various "laws of war" created
throughout the last hundred years or so...
Oh, and here is an excerpt from Michael Byers' "The laws of War, US Style":
More than three hundred Iraqi civilians died on 13 February 1991 when two US F-117 stealth bombers
targeted the al-Amiriya bunker in Baghdad. Photographs of the charred and twisted bodies of women
and children shocked a world which, thanks to Norman Schwarzkopf and CNN, had seen little of the
horrors of the Gulf War. Pentagon officials, who claimed to have intelligence indicating the
bunker was a command and control centre, denied knowledge of the civilian presence. Had they
known, the attack would probably have been classed as a war crime.
International humanitarian law, the jus in bello, concerns the way wars may be fought. It is
distinct from the law governing when wars may be fought (the jus ad bellum of self-defence and the
UN Charter). Also known as the 'laws of war', international humanitarian law traces its origins to
1859, when the Swiss businessman Henri Dunant witnessed the aftermath of the Battle of Solferino
and initiated a movement that became the International Committee of the Red Cross. Today, the
rules of international humanitarian law are found in the 1907 Hague Conventions, the 1949 Geneva
Conventions and their two Additional Protocols of 1977, as well as in a parallel body of unwritten
customary international law that binds all countries, including those that have not ratified the
Conventions and Protocols. A central principle prohibits the direct targeting of civilians, as
well as attacks on military targets that could be expected to cause civilian suffering
disproportionate to the specific military goals to be acheived.
As you can see, the words "legal" and "war", while not intertwined in your mind, are quite
commonly used to define military offenses.
And, finally, I was not criticizing FOX News, rather I was impressed that for once they had
carried a news story that did not portray the United States in the most glorifying of lights. If
you had the capacity for critical thinking, you may have seen that in my post. I am not arguing
with you the justification of the war in Iraq. From your posts, it has become particularly
obvious that you are unwilling to intelligently listen to anyone's opinion that differs from your
own. And, that is fine. You were granted that right by the constitution of the United
States...but, keep in mind sir, every other citizen in the United States was granted that right
also, and they are no less American or patriotic than you are.
You may have your war, but the rest of the world has opened their eyes to the horrors the United
States bestows upon innocent people, and they will not stand for it much longer. What is going to
happen to the US when the peaceful nations of the world and all the battered and trampled
countries we have destroyed rise up? Perhaps it is time for the lawmakers in Washington to stop
forcing their rhetoric down the people's throats, and instead recognize that "democracy" the
United States way (perhaps I should say dictatorships, as that is generally what happens when the
US installs a new government somewhere in the world) is not the best thing for every country.
I don't expect you to listen to this post with an open mind. Rather, I am quite sure you will
fire back some totally ignorant response. But, I can't say I haven't tried...
--- zarathos81 <evil_s2003@...> wrote:
> I remember you!
> Ok first of all let's cut the crap, the words 'war' and 'legal' dont go together. As for
> justified, well, rape rooms, mass graves, threats made to other parts of the world including
> America, supporting Al Qeda and even congratulating Bin Laden after he masterminded the MURDER
> of 3,000 Americans in less than 2 hours pretty much sums of the justification of it all.
>
> All these news outlets can pull out anything and everything they want to try to hurt this
> country and the troops and our efforts around the world but after all the lies and falshoods and
> obvious bias the media has shown recently, I don't care what they say.
>
> Oh, I loved your description of FOX News, it's cute how obviously biased news outlets are seen
> as being fair and honest, and the one group who is actually honest about itself and actually
> tries to be soemwhat balanced is seen as being wrong.
>
> Lisa <mystical_frog@...> wrote:
> From the Times Online...the Downing Street Memo, written prior to the
> war in Iraq.
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607_1,00.html
>
> From the beloved news organization of conservative republicans (FOX News)
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158228,00.html
>
> I thought this might interest some of you who claim that the war in
> Iraq is justified and legal...perhaps, the rest of the world does not
> take such an "enlightened" view of the situation...
>
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