Zarathos~

Glad you remember me from my innocent mistake the VERY FIRST TIME I POSTED (you
were so kind to
point it out in the way you did)...

In your own very well educated opinion, why are the words "war" and "legal"
incompatible? Do we
not prosecute people for "war crimes"...by that very idea, does that not mean
that there are, in
fact, LAWS that must be followed during war time. I believe these laws were
created during the
Geneva Conventions. If you would like to familiarize yuorself with these laws,
please see the
following link:

http://www.genevaconventions.org/

In addition, you may find this link helpful:

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/lawwar.htm

From Yale University Law School, the Avalon project, documenting the various
"laws of war" created
throughout the last hundred years or so...

Oh, and here is an excerpt from Michael Byers' "The laws of War, US Style":

More than three hundred Iraqi civilians died on 13 February 1991 when two US
F-117 stealth bombers
targeted the al-Amiriya bunker in Baghdad. Photographs of the charred and
twisted bodies of women
and children shocked a world which, thanks to Norman Schwarzkopf and CNN, had
seen little of the
horrors of the Gulf War. Pentagon officials, who claimed to have intelligence
indicating the
bunker was a command and control centre, denied knowledge of the civilian
presence. Had they
known, the attack would probably have been classed as a war crime.

International humanitarian law, the jus in bello, concerns the way wars may be
fought. It is
distinct from the law governing when wars may be fought (the jus ad bellum of
self-defence and the
UN Charter). Also known as the 'laws of war', international humanitarian law
traces its origins to
1859, when the Swiss businessman Henri Dunant witnessed the aftermath of the
Battle of Solferino
and initiated a movement that became the International Committee of the Red
Cross. Today, the
rules of international humanitarian law are found in the 1907 Hague Conventions,
the 1949 Geneva
Conventions and their two Additional Protocols of 1977, as well as in a parallel
body of unwritten
customary international law that binds all countries, including those that have
not ratified the
Conventions and Protocols. A central principle prohibits the direct targeting of
civilians, as
well as attacks on military targets that could be expected to cause civilian
suffering
disproportionate to the specific military goals to be acheived.

As you can see, the words "legal" and "war", while not intertwined in your mind,
are quite
commonly used to define military offenses.

And, finally, I was not criticizing FOX News, rather I was impressed that for
once they had
carried a news story that did not portray the United States in the most
glorifying of lights. If
you had the capacity for critical thinking, you may have seen that in my post.
I am not arguing
with you the justification of the war in Iraq. From your posts, it has become
particularly
obvious that you are unwilling to intelligently listen to anyone's opinion that
differs from your
own. And, that is fine. You were granted that right by the constitution of the
United
States...but, keep in mind sir, every other citizen in the United States was
granted that right
also, and they are no less American or patriotic than you are.

You may have your war, but the rest of the world has opened their eyes to the
horrors the United
States bestows upon innocent people, and they will not stand for it much longer.
What is going to
happen to the US when the peaceful nations of the world and all the battered and
trampled
countries we have destroyed rise up? Perhaps it is time for the lawmakers in
Washington to stop
forcing their rhetoric down the people's throats, and instead recognize that
"democracy" the
United States way (perhaps I should say dictatorships, as that is generally what
happens when the
US installs a new government somewhere in the world) is not the best thing for
every country.

I don't expect you to listen to this post with an open mind. Rather, I am quite
sure you will
fire back some totally ignorant response. But, I can't say I haven't tried...


--- zarathos81 <evil_s2003@...> wrote:

> I remember you!
> Ok first of all let's cut the crap, the words 'war' and 'legal' dont go
together. As for
> justified, well, rape rooms, mass graves, threats made to other parts of the
world including
> America, supporting Al Qeda and even congratulating Bin Laden after he
masterminded the MURDER
> of 3,000 Americans in less than 2 hours pretty much sums of the justification
of it all.
>
> All these news outlets can pull out anything and everything they want to try
to hurt this
> country and the troops and our efforts around the world but after all the lies
and falshoods and
> obvious bias the media has shown recently, I don't care what they say.
>
> Oh, I loved your description of FOX News, it's cute how obviously biased news
outlets are seen
> as being fair and honest, and the one group who is actually honest about
itself and actually
> tries to be soemwhat balanced is seen as being wrong.
>
> Lisa <mystical_frog@...> wrote:
> From the Times Online...the Downing Street Memo, written prior to the
> war in Iraq.
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607_1,00.html
>
> From the beloved news organization of conservative republicans (FOX News)
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158228,00.html
>
> I thought this might interest some of you who claim that the war in
> Iraq is justified and legal...perhaps, the rest of the world does not
> take such an "enlightened" view of the situation...
>
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