Sorry its been forever since ive posted.     A week or so ago there
was a post with a pic of the duke that said something about "pressing
1 for english". I thought that i saved it and then deleted my mail,
now i cant find it.I have looked in the post and messages to try to
find it but have had no luck If anyone can help me, please do so.
Luke

Howdy,

Last week I told you that around the world John Wayne is still one
the most recognizable American images and is seen by most as the
perfect example of what is right with the American character.  As
one News Week article once wrote, "John Wayne is what most Americans
want their Presidents to be and what most of the world fear they
are!"

However, the Duke did on occasions play non-American film roles.
Last week's Quick Quiz Question centered on these roles.

I asked if you could:

Name three films where the Duke played a character who was the
citizen of another country? My Bonus Question was:  Can you give the
character's name and nationality of each of them?

Well here are the answers:

These Answers Were Acceptable:

Film
Character
Nationality

"The Long Voyage Home" (1940)
Ole Olsen
Swedish

"The Sea Chase" (1955)
Capt. Karl Ehrlich
German

"The Conqueror" (1956)
Temujin, later Genghis Khan
Mongolian

"The Greatest Story Ever told"
Centurion at the crucifixion
Roman

Technically the Duke was in:

"Allegheny Uprising" (1939)
James Smith
English

I will have another Quick Quiz posted soon thanks to everyone that
played this week!

See you along the trail,

Art

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 Hiya Art! Maybe you or one of the listers knows the answer to this. I read an interview on with Paul Fix's daughter Marilyn sometime back, and she stated her father had a falling out with John Wayne in the mid-70s.

The last film they did together was Cahill, US Marshall around 1973. Have you or anyone ever heard any details on this? Just curious, they had such a log friendship.

 

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off the subject a bit but interesting, the duke auditioned for the role of patton and was rejected imagine how different that movie be

yep 100% positive thy told him he was to old

its on teh second disc of patton special edition. for those that wanna check it out

unfourtantly the duke got a cold hard fact of his pro vietnam stance in the 70's it made him unpopular in many of hollywoods inner circle who of course were against vietnam considering there star demographic is 18-30 and when there all being drafted doesn't help your pocketbook. He was offered the role of dirty harry and did turn it down then after seeing how much money it made he made mcq and as much as i love the duke that is not close to even a good film...lol.

unfourtantly the duke got a cold hard fact of his pro vietnam stance in the 70's it made him unpopular in many of hollywoods inner circle who of course were against vietnam considering there star demographic is 18-30 and when there all being drafted doesn't help your pocketbook. He was offered the role of dirty harry and did turn it down then after seeing how much money it made he made mcq and as much as i love the duke that is not close to even a good film...lol.

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another duke fact that i found fasinating is that he didn't like kirk douglas and he did like deano but deano on more than one occasion chastised him for not spending more time with his kids.

i don't think the duke would have good as patton. the movie would not have
been him. kenny


>From: Austin Taylor <austinrockwelltaylor@...>
>Reply-To: MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com
>To: MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [MccandlesTexas21Century] Patton
>Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:02:17 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Howdy,
>
>   I truly love the discussion going on and I wanted to jump in on the
>topic of the Duke and Patton.
>
>   Yes, the Duke lobbied for the role. He admired old blood and guts and
>was the right age for the role. But it wasn't the Duke's age or his
>pro-Vietnam view that got him this time. It was his size! Patton was a slim
>built man and a bit of a nut about keeping himself in shape. In case you
>haven't read anything about him other then the film he was a bit of a
>playboy in the years between WW1 and WW2.
>
>   At the time they were casting Patton, the Duke who was a BIG man was
>going through one of his famous battles with his weight. In fact he was
>just coming off his Oscar wining role as Marshal Reuben J. 'Rooster'
>Cogburn and was not in his best shape when he went in to talk with Patton's
>producers didn't believe the Duke could loose enough weight to fit the
>role. That was one of the reason they gave the Duke, however they had
>already offered the role to Rod Steiger, Lee Marvin, Robert Mitchum and
>Burt Lancaster and Steiger and Mitchum were no light weights.  Most
>insiders believe that the real reason for turning down the Duke was the
>fact that he was THE DUKE. They wanted an actor who could bring Patton to
>the screen not make a John  Wayne film with the Duke playing Patton. Who
>could blame them for taking that view?  It was a good point and according
>to Michael Wayne they offered his father a supporting role in the film
>believing it to be bad luck to make a WW2 without him
>  in the cast.  The Duke of course turned them down and who can blame him.
>
>   Not mush information but I wanted to share it with the group.  Thanks
>for the great discussion! I enjoy it when our members talk about the Duke
>and his films.
>
>   KEEP IT UP!
>
>   See you along the trail,
>
>   Art
>
>Gigachanger <gigachanger@...> wrote:
>
>
>   unfourtantly the duke got a cold hard fact of his pro vietnam stance in
>the 70's it made him unpopular in many of hollywoods inner circle who of
>course were against vietnam considering there star demographic is 18-30 and
>when there all being drafted doesn't help your pocketbook. He was offered
>the role of dirty harry and did turn it down then after seeing how much
>money it made he made mcq and as much as i love the duke that is not close
>to even a good film...lol.
>
>
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you think it was his view on nam? i met the duke in saigon briefly and in my
opinion he loved us soldiers and i think he would have died with us if he
had a choice


>From: Austin Taylor <austinrockwelltaylor@...>
>Reply-To: MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com
>To: MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [MccandlesTexas21Century] Patton
>Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:02:17 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Howdy,
>
>   I truly love the discussion going on and I wanted to jump in on the
>topic of the Duke and Patton.
>
>   Yes, the Duke lobbied for the role. He admired old blood and guts and
>was the right age for the role. But it wasn't the Duke's age or his
>pro-Vietnam view that got him this time. It was his size! Patton was a slim
>built man and a bit of a nut about keeping himself in shape. In case you
>haven't read anything about him other then the film he was a bit of a
>playboy in the years between WW1 and WW2.
>
>   At the time they were casting Patton, the Duke who was a BIG man was
>going through one of his famous battles with his weight. In fact he was
>just coming off his Oscar wining role as Marshal Reuben J. 'Rooster'
>Cogburn and was not in his best shape when he went in to talk with Patton's
>producers didn't believe the Duke could loose enough weight to fit the
>role. That was one of the reason they gave the Duke, however they had
>already offered the role to Rod Steiger, Lee Marvin, Robert Mitchum and
>Burt Lancaster and Steiger and Mitchum were no light weights.  Most
>insiders believe that the real reason for turning down the Duke was the
>fact that he was THE DUKE. They wanted an actor who could bring Patton to
>the screen not make a John  Wayne film with the Duke playing Patton. Who
>could blame them for taking that view?  It was a good point and according
>to Michael Wayne they offered his father a supporting role in the film
>believing it to be bad luck to make a WW2 without him
>  in the cast.  The Duke of course turned them down and who can blame him.
>
>   Not mush information but I wanted to share it with the group.  Thanks
>for the great discussion! I enjoy it when our members talk about the Duke
>and his films.
>
>   KEEP IT UP!
>
>   See you along the trail,
>
>   Art
>
>Gigachanger <gigachanger@...> wrote:
>
>
>   unfourtantly the duke got a cold hard fact of his pro vietnam stance in
>the 70's it made him unpopular in many of hollywoods inner circle who of
>course were against vietnam considering there star demographic is 18-30 and
>when there all being drafted doesn't help your pocketbook. He was offered
>the role of dirty harry and did turn it down then after seeing how much
>money it made he made mcq and as much as i love the duke that is not close
>to even a good film...lol.
>
>
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what im saying is remove the myth of dukes power to the business side

and in teh 1970's there was a big backlash against the duke and any star pro nam. which is why the movie the train robbers was made it was totally political to show him with jane fonda to show he supported the troops but not the war which was not actually the case the duke was against anything to do with communism and had said so many many times. His poket book and fame was showing he affects. Or as his publicist said it best "Duke we love u, your fans love u, the younger generation would love u if u just shut up and shoot the movie with out yelling at the hippies." as he was reminded hippies have money too and they also go to the movies." Duke loved fame and from 70 - 74 he was willing to do anything to get back to being the biggest star in america why we have movies like brannigan and mcq is also why we have the duke in bunny suit.

 

I personally would have loved to seen a big budget tombstone movie with the duke, kirk, clint, henry fonda, don knotts, maureen mccommick, hary carry jr. deforest kelly, and victor french. as the characters either good or bad.

 

i love to have seen the duke be a truly evil character like henry did in once upon a time in the west. That would have put the debate on if the duke can act or not to rest.

the duke was one of the few  who supported us dummies in nam, tho. to have
been there and cared about by him felt really good



>From: Gigachanger <gigachanger@...>
>Reply-To: MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com
>To: MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [MccandlesTexas21Century] Patton
>Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:40:13 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
>what im saying is remove the myth of dukes power to the business side
>   and in teh 1970's there was a big backlash against the duke and any star
>pro nam. which is why the movie the train robbers was made it was totally
>political to show him with jane fonda to show he supported the troops but
>not the war which was not actually the case the duke was against anything
>to do with communism and had said so many many times. His poket book and
>fame was showing he affects. Or as his publicist said it best "Duke we love
>u, your fans love u, the younger generation would love u if u just shut up
>and shoot the movie with out yelling at the hippies." as he was reminded
>hippies have money too and they also go to the movies." Duke loved fame and
>from 70 - 74 he was willing to do anything to get back to being the biggest
>star in america why we have movies like brannigan and mcq is also why we
>have the duke in bunny suit.
>
>   I personally would have loved to seen a big budget tombstone movie with
>the duke, kirk, clint, henry fonda, don knotts, maureen mccommick, hary
>carry jr. deforest kelly, and victor french. as the characters either good
>or bad.
>
>   i love to have seen the duke be a truly evil character like henry did in
>once upon a time in the west. That would have put the debate on if the duke
>can act or not to rest.
>
>
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I mean no disrespect or offence to anyone, we can discuss politicial
issues til we are all blue in the face and still end up right back
where we started. John Wayne the man was a strong believer in each
person's opinion and that they had every right to speak thier opinion,
hence the reason why he went to Harvard to listen to the student body.
We all know where the Duke stood in his political views and that he
supported the troops, no matter what but this group is about the Duke,
the man and his movies.
I have been a John Wayne fan ever since I can remember and the one
thing that I admired about him was the fact that he stood up for the
servicemen and women and the common man. His character exemplifies who
he was and hopefully what America always will be.
Politics aside, a toast to the Duke.

John

you should read john wayne the man behind the myth . He loved discussing politics more than any other subject and  if he was alive he be right here with us telling us what he liked and disliked. there are other good john wayne books if you are interested i will list them and direct u to them

I have read it and have several books on John Wayne.



--- In MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com, Gigachanger
<gigachanger@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>   you should read john wayne the man behind the myth . He loved
discussing politics more than any other subject and  if he was alive
he be right here with us telling us what he liked and disliked. there
are other good john wayne books if you are interested i will list
them and direct u to them
>
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      This is where republicans or fox don't seem to understand there is a differnce between supporting a war and supporting the troops. No one ever wishes harm to the troops and is always proud we have them no matter what the USA thinks of the war.

 

   I personally see iraq as proof we never learned from vietnams lesson number one. You can't fight a war when everyone is the enemy. You will never win.

I also say as Merle Haggard said it best rebuild america first. When you have a think like Katrina and u can't get a couple thousand amercians to safety but u can do it for Iraq it was right then and there this current admin lost all my respect. Also 300 bill for iraq how bout that for national healthcare they say we cant' afford. Or education its not hard to see why we can't afford it. We are too busy trying to solve 2000 year old problems stead of tending the sheep at home.

 

 

 

 

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Not at all ART, thank you for your insight and THANK YOU for your
service.

John


--- In MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com, Austin Taylor
<austinrockwelltaylor@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy Everyone,
>
>   I love discussion more than anyone I know you all know that. I
also love the fact that the Duke supported the troops and truly other
than the left coast dream that believe he was every hurt because of
it, I really don't think it every hurt him or made him less of an
icon. After all he won the Oscar only a year after his pro-Nam film
came out.
>
>   However, as some of you know I flew some of the first strikes on
Iraq in both wars and lead some of the first strikes against the
Taliban. I have also spent some time in country in both war zones. So
if you are open for a little insight I would be glad to give it to
you.
>
>   WE WON THIS WAR! The US troops did their jobs and won! It is the
people who are loosing it. Hurricanes will come and go but you don't
rebuild and leave yourself open to being hit again. You hit them and
hit them hard. Were we in service made our mistake was that we did
the job to well. Americans are to safe and think it is because there
was no real threat. You have know idea! If we hadn't have hit them
and hard and fast we would still be trying to bury the dead and fill
holes across this nation. Just like Nam the citizens of the US and
the press are the enemies greatest ally!  Everyone in not against us!
But like in Nam the people are ready to walk off and leave the ones
who do to be slaughtered because they think it would be wrong to
support them.
>
>   Sorry for the soap box but I shed blood and hate seeing it being
wasted by a lot of soccer moms and tree huggers who don't understand
that you CAN'T stop nature and hurricanes but you can and better STOP
men who hate you or it will be your children you are burring tomorrow!
>
>   Just some thoughts from an old warrior. Sorry to darken your
Saturday.
>
>   Art
>
> Gigachanger <gigachanger@...> wrote:
>
>
>       This is where republicans or fox don't seem to understand
there is a differnce between supporting a war and supporting the
troops. No one ever wishes harm to the troops and is always proud we
have them no matter what the USA thinks of the war.
>
>      I personally see iraq as proof we never learned from vietnams
lesson number one. You can't fight a war when everyone is the enemy.
You will never win.
>   I also say as Merle Haggard said it best rebuild america first.
When you have a think like Katrina and u can't get a couple thousand
amercians to safety but u can do it for Iraq it was right then and
there this current admin lost all my respect. Also 300 bill for iraq
how bout that for national healthcare they say we cant' afford. Or
education its not hard to see why we can't afford it. We are too busy
trying to solve 2000 year old problems stead of tending the sheep at
home.
>
>
>
>
>
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myself as a former us marshall who has been in the presence of bush on a few occasions i can tell you from seeing the war on terror first hand. We cannot ever win the war on terror by brutt force. this is 10x's worse than nam or iraq its simply the enemy is anyone not just muslims. there are more than muslims blowing up entire city blocks cause they think its right lets not forget oklahoma that guy was and american citizen it can be your neighbor, you dr., your brother or your best friend most the real dangerous ones never annouce it till they make a strike and if you had heard bush talk about iraq you really have a different opinion of him. He acts like its a business proposition which for the most part it is. the day he meets with the mother of that fallen soilder and mans up will be the day he get some respect from me. The duke may have been way to the right but he was a man and if u disagreed with him or he was a root of your problem even if it was just you who thought it he meet with you not hide on his ranch. COWARD is what we have as a leader he can't even face a 55 year old woman who son was killed for his money his war. the war in iraq is the wrong place great they got saddamn maybe.....he lied so much i wonder if its just not that actor from hot shots part 1 and duex. but last time i checked we wanted osama when he gets him then he can shout and show he done his job till then he just protecting his oil interests and unless people are complete morons they will start to vote american not democrates or republicans simply whats best for america cause what we got so far is best for iraq.

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From: Austin Taylor

To: MccandlesTexas21Century@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [MccandlesTexas21Century] Patton

Howdy Everyone,

 

I love discussion more than anyone I know you all know that. I also love the fact that the Duke supported the troops and truly other than the left coast dream that believe he was every hurt because of it, I really don't think it every hurt him or made him less of an icon. After all he won the Oscar only a year after his pro-Nam film came out.

 

However, as some of you know I flew some of the first strikes on Iraq in both wars and lead some of the first strikes against the Taliban. I have also spent some time in country in both war zones. So if you are open for a little insight I would be glad to give it to you.

 

WE WON THIS WAR! The US troops did their jobs and won! It is the people who are loosing it. Hurricanes will come and go but you don't rebuild and leave yourself open to being hit again. You hit them and hit them hard. Were we in service made our mistake was that we did the job to well. Americans are to safe and think it is because there was no real threat. You have know idea! If we hadn't have hit them and hard and fast we would still be trying to bury the dead and fill holes across this nation. Just like Nam the citizens of the US and the press are the enemies greatest ally!  Everyone in not against us! But like in Nam the people are ready to walk off and leave the ones who do to be slaughtered because they think it would be wrong to support them.

 

Sorry for the soap box but I shed blood and hate seeing it being wasted by a lot of soccer moms and tree huggers who don't understand that you CAN'T stop nature and hurricanes but you can and better STOP men who hate you or it will be your children you are burring tomorrow!

 

Just some thoughts from an old warrior. Sorry to darken your Saturday.

 

Art 

Gigachanger <gigachanger@yahoo.com> wrote:

      This is where republicans or fox don't seem to understand there is a differnce between supporting a war and supporting the troops. No one ever wishes harm to the troops and is always proud we have them no matter what the USA thinks of the war.

 

   I personally see iraq as proof we never learned from vietnams lesson number one. You can't fight a war when everyone is the enemy. You will never win.

I also say as Merle Haggard said it best rebuild america first. When you have a think like Katrina and u can't get a couple thousand amercians to safety but u can do it for Iraq it was right then and there this current admin lost all my respect. Also 300 bill for iraq how bout that for national healthcare they say we cant' afford. Or education its not hard to see why we can't afford it. We are too busy trying to solve 2000 year old problems stead of tending the sheep at home.

 

 

 

 

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