ok, enough. Don't you have some other group you can spam?

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Subject: [Mainefilm E-Mail Group] Digest Number 21


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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. RE: In response to David Grant about Gigdirectory.net
> From: Resume Team <resumes@...>
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> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:05:38 -0700
> From: Resume Team <resumes@...>
> Subject: RE: In response to David Grant about Gigdirectory.net
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>
> http://www.gigdirectory.net
> HI David and Respected Maine Film Makers
>
> I didn't mean to sound like I was threatening legal action, at least not
> in a hard way. If anybody is going to say something about a person or
> company or group it is a legal requirement to get the facts straight
> first, else you are commiting libel. There are newspaper stories about
> libel cases most everyday. When I write articles for Gigdirectory.net,
> lawyer freinds read them and tell me quick smart if there is something
> I should check the facts on. I am defensive, yes, quite so, because it
> only takes one person with the wrong information and a few discussion
> groups to get the wrong message spread all over the net. For a genuine
> service and community this can be devistating.
>
> As for my background, I have worked in all facets of arts and media as
> well as community arts in London, Australia, Germany, India, and San
> Francisco, theater, festivals, tv, film, video, multi media, radio, and
> concerts all my adult life, I am now 41. I have lived in San
> Francisco now for 5 years and my first gigs back then were with Bill
> Graham Presents. Since then my field work is mainly live production and
> PR as a logistics consultant, human resource, and freelancer in the Bay
> Area.
> SHort List:
> 150 Folsom (Various Events)
> Arts Fest SF
> AVIT VJ Video Art Trade Show
> Bizar Bazzare Crafts Market
> Cirque Du Soleil (Corporate Video - not for release)
> Film California
> Digital Be In
> Earth Dance Festival
> Gigdirectory.net Media Classifieds
> Green Festivals
> Green Spirit Dance
> Health and Harmony Festival
> How Wierd Street Faire
> Joshua Tree Music Festival
> ModernArt Media Group
> Ram Dass (Various Events)
> Red Bull Ascension (Benefit for SF Late Night Coalition and Dance Safe)
> Sasha Butterfly (Various Events)
> Studio Z (Various Events)
> Verbum Publishing Events
> As well as independent artists, shows, art exhibits, workshops, fund
> raisers, music videos, and special events.
> As you can imagine, I have references coming out of my yin yang:-)
>
> The rough History of Gigdirectory.net is in About Us under Company
> History.
> But here is some stuff that may not be there.....(I will update About
> Us, now that you have made me think about it)
>
> Gigslist.org is the original site plus a dozen individual yahoo groups,
> all of which are still in existance.
> Gigslist.org had job referals as well as a huge library of arts and
> media job sites(currently being updated and redeveloped).
> Gigslist.org for past 4 years or so was the model that the other
> gazillion, you mentioned, looked to for ideas and research. Even
> craigslist.org (webby award winner) got their arts and media category
> ideas from Gigslist.org, I told them to get some when they didn't have
> any arts and media categories.(Craig lives just up the road from me)
>
> Over all over 4.5 years, current overall population over all sites and
> yahoo groups is 11 000 something.
> Plus we have a huge fan base that are not members, including
> entertainment lawyes, arts sites and organizations around the world,
> production companies, promoters and media, with 37 000 on the mailing
> list alone.
> Very first start was an underground mailing list called Round Up with
> 100 or so industry freinds, which was free.
> It became too much work and I was going to give it up, but members
> offered to pay me to keep it going.
> Since then all categories, prices, and services have been from members
> suggestions.
> Gigslist.org was planned to be non profit but lawyers said it would
> cramp ideas and not let us expand, so it became a private self funding
> community service. We don't make any profit, 1 paid full time staff
> (me) 2 paid occasional staff (1 assistant and 1 programmer when budget
> allows), everything else has gone back into developing the community
> and services and maintaining the site. (Gigdirectory.net is classed as
> a mega site, and as such requires a dedicated server to handle the huge
> number of members and their info)
>
> I know there are gazzilion services similar, but not like
> Gigdirectory.net, because we are geninely always in development as a
> community and a school of life workshop. As you will see when you start
> reading our editorial tip sheets and GigNews which are free.
> Posting resumes, workshops, and business adds in the Classfieds is free,
> as well as posting jobs.
> Our paid access services also doubles as optional privacy protection for
> people who post, a we have had problems with female talent being
> harrassed, and employers being spammed in the past.
> For more info read the front page blurb on Gigdirectory.net and click
> About Us for company history and FAQ's
>
> We now need you help for damage control. I don't know what else is being
> said out there or how many people are spreading the wrong information.
> If you have checked out Gigdirectory.net and all of its services and
> you like what we are trying to do please recommend us to your industry
> buddies and discussion groups. If you see wrong information out there
> please educate people and organizations with the right information.
> Please sign onto Gigdirectory.net and have a look around and use our
> free services, and please help us spread the good word.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Deborah Paulino
> Founder
> gigslist.org
> gigdirectory.net
>
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>
> If you are a legit service I am seriously interested to know more about
> your service and the value that it provides. I would also be curious to
> know about your background in the entertainment business that entitles
> you to offer such a service. I am not trying to sound negative
> (Although I was very surprised at how quickly you threatened legal
> action.) - it's just that there are a gazillion services like yours who
> claim that they can benefit our industry. A large number of them have
> no place trying to break into an industry they really no little about.
> As I read in another post today warning about you - "there are too many
> services that are asking for money and offering nothing in return."
>
> And for the record you don't know me and to threaten legal action so
> prematurely is a terrible business move. Remember legitimate filmmakers
> are a tight community and word can spread very quickly about companies
> threatening like this.
>
> And if you do feel you want to have me speak to your attorney I am happy
> to do so.
>
> David
>
> http://www.gigdirectory.net
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> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [Mainefilm E-Mail Group] In response to David Grant about
> > Gigdirectory.net
> > From: "david grant" <davidgrantcontact@...>
> > Date: Fri, July 16, 2004 1:12 pm
> > To: "modernart_media" <resumes@...>
> >
> > I have forwarded your company my response.
> >
> > But for the group I would simply say - Isn't it curious that a company
claiming to be so secure with 8000+ members would threaten legal action so
quickly considering the really don't know how connected I am in the
industry.
> >
> > I read more in relation to this company in another group today and I
think this is really what we all want to know anyways - Where's the value in
this service? And if it can be strated then Great. If not, why are we
wasting our time talking.
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> > modernart_media <resumes@...> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > This is Deborah from Gigdirectory.net
> >
> > I think David or who ever gave him that information should get their
> > facts straight be for commiting libel. And maybe should check with a
> > lawyer before publishing stuff..
> >
> > We do have over 8000 registered users, at this moment 8353 to be
> > exact. Anyone can check the live stat report in the left menu, (Not
> > the member list of our forums). And we are a professional community,
> > not a company, our members make the suggestions for the services and
> > prices we have. We do have free services and professional services and
> > we are straight up about which is which, in the invitation, and on our
> > front page. And you can post your resumes and Classifieds for free.
> >
> > Try reading and understanding stuff properly, before knocking a valued
> > self funding community service.
> >
> > I don't suppose you even bothered to read our free editorial section
> > with free tip sheets for careers and businesses. They are on the front
> > page and don't require any registration, free or otherwise to view.
> >
> > If everyone believed scrooges like you or who ever gave you that info,
> > nobody would have any fun trying something new that might help them.
> > And nobody would get any help from you because you give them false
> > information. Please make sure your info is correct, and get out of the
> > dark ages, try being supportive of those who are working hard to help.
> >
> > And try to smile, it feels good once you get used to it, and somebody
> > might even smile back at you.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Deborah
> >
> > Founder of
> > http://www.gigdirectory.net
> > http://www.gigslist.org
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