Seeing its to hot to study calculus (melbourne 35 degrees c) and because I
procastinate, I'm going to delurk for once. (I haven't introduced myself
yet because we spent the last month moving, its been frantic).


>http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/1212
>http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/892
>
>Anyone want to stab at a name for it??? I'm temporarily calling it the Arch
>dress (which is rather lame), but don't know what seam attaches to it.
>Suggestions welcome.
>
>Description of fabric: Two layers. Outer layer is purple lace or dense
>net. The under layer is pink/salmon. It is either a light/mid weight satin
>or a silk.
>
>Pattern...... there's where we're still debating.
>
>What do we agree on... the sleeves. Standard two part elven sleeve. Tight
>upper. Bottom is a bit different. It is an oval. The top half of the
>sleeve looks like it extends no further than her finger tips. The two
>fabrics are hemmed together at the edge of the sleeve.

hmmm. Possibly, but wouldn't necessarily be an oval. The hang reminds me
more of a norman sleeve.
which is cut usually on the triangular piecings But then the whole dress
does remind me of norman.
The sleeve has possibly been cut in two pieces. The visual companion has a
gold line above where the sleeve fullness starts just above the elbow but
I can't see it on the online version. Then again it could be dodgy photo
reproduction
The sleeves are lined as well.

I have a link to a photo somehere to someone with a t-tunic whos sleeves
hang like that. I'll try to find it

>Dress top??? We can't tell, but guessing it's princess seamed. Looking at
>the picture in the Visual companion (where's she a solo), Arwen twists back.
>There's a shadow that could be that princess seam

Does princess seam usually wrinkle near the shoulder with that movement? I
wouldn't know as don't make necklines like that. Because there is three
wrinkles near her shoulder in the shot in the visual companion. Its kinda
of like the wrinkles you can get when you cut medieval t-tunics with a
v-neck or as a slash.

And it almost looks too soft and not structured enough for a princess seam.

The neckline also has gold binding on it.


>There is a definite waist seam and this dress is different than most of the
>other elven dresses in the fact that there is no belt.

I can't pick the waist seam but it is a grainy photo. However, I was
wondering if the wrinkle line across the high waist and the line from high
waist to just below bust is from an undergarment of some description. Just
because it seems more like a small bulge of fabric across the stomach in
the book proper. Either that or the top half of the dress is narrower then
her hips and the body has been cut too long.

Also the question of combining of styles. Would both the princess line
seams and a waist seam look overly fussy considering the drape of the
fabric and its apparent simplicity.

>Skirt pattern. Doesn't look like a gore in inserted in the sides. To me it
>looks much more like an "umbrella" skirt pattern. Let me try to define that
>w/o pictures for now... and w/o digging though my reference books. Late
>1890-1900 dress shapes were changing and it was allowable to see the hips.
>Designers developed a new cut to fit smoothly and gracefully over the hips
>yet flare out and give a wonderful drape. IF the dress was trained, it
>often had that same look you can see on Arwen's skirt where she's by
>herself. In those skirts, the pattern is about 1/3 of a circle. There are
>darts at the waist (sometimes many) to shape the skirt smoothly over the
>rear.

I was wondering considering, how flat the front looks, if the back and
front where cut near identical with the exception of the back which has a
gore to form part of the train. Cut with no waist seam.
And with fullness at the sides from a demi-circle cut at the hem.

I can draw out they pattern but I can't explain

>pants... we've shifted genders and now looking at Arwen's back side - ack!)
>Anyone who has Janet Arnold, look at the most modern book in "Pattern's of
>Fashion" at the 1901 ribbon dress. The net overskirt is that shape, the
>skirt trains on the back. "Cut of Women's clothes" should have a paragraph
>on it and some more picture... over any good book in that period.
>
>Does everyone agree or do you have another idea for the pattern for this
>skirt???


The dress has a very similar effect and appearance like a lot of my
semi-fitted norman gown thingys (and yes that is a technical term :)

Which is why I keep suggesting that style and cut. What I really need is
to see how it moves, because I have a few more ideas comments. I'm
suspicious of how the skirts been arranged around her feet.

Just my airy ramblings brought on by hot days and too much study.

Sharon Nevin