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Nice article mentioning Ishtar:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177426

#232

From: "B. Raul Spelling" <spoon1265@...>
Date: Fri Jan 2, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Cast of Isthar Remake (do not panic - this is a hypothetical topic, not real)!

spoon1265

Haifaa Wehbe, maybe:

http://indo-celebrities.blogspot.com/2008/03/haifaa-wehbe-arabic-actress.html

Finally, I just want to say I think a mutual love of Isthar is a very strong foundation for a relationship!

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:38 AM, heather wagner <heather.wagner@...> wrote:

thanks for posting that.

i just joined the list yesterday so clicked around to see the other images and found the review by this michael giltz fellow, which is astounding in its abject shallowness and totally literal reading of this great and subtle comedy! aside from the blatantly sexist comments (did it *really* set "women" directors back ten years?), the guy complains that the songs are bad(!) and that he's subjected to a LOT of them. like...um. duh?

i hadn't seen it in at least 10 years but watched it on christmas day with my boyfriend, who had claimed to be a fan--what a great bonding experience: turns out we were both impressed at how much better it was than we'd recalled it! i hadn't remembered the cinematography being so artful (i googled it to learn that vittorio storaro had won oscars for reds, last emperor and apocalypse now, had NO idea) and that the humor held up, lo these 21 years! i know i'm preaching to the choir on this list, but it's such a sad story on one hand (the studio head who comes in halfway through shooting, has a grudge against warren beatty and dustin hoffman, is curmudgeonly about it being overbudget and the LADY director and leaks negativity to the press pre-release thus ensuring bad reviews) and yet, had it not been so universally reviled, folks probably wouldn't have such a proud and almost defiant allegiance to this movie, which, to my mind, is on par with any cult comedy classic like 'caddyshack', 'meatballs', or 'airplane', totally ahead of its time. i am not exaggerating!

if so-called "uncomfortable" humor like the office or seinfeld had already been part of cultural consciousness, it probably would have been hugely popular, but folks just didn't know how to deal with something so subtle and self-consciously "bad".

my dream is for a remake. with hm...matt damon and ben affleck, and maybe angelina jolie?

okay, in your wildest dreams, who would you have play lyle and chuck? i know this is a blatant attempt to get some activity on this list, but hey, it's after xmas and before new years, what else are you doing?

kind regards,
heather

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:48 PM, n8binus <n8binus@...> wrote:

--- In ILoveIshtar@yahoogroups.com, "matt love" <mattlove1@...> wrote:
>
> You have to squint a bit to read this poster, but it's worth the
> effort. Here's more evidence that several reviewers liked Ishtar...
> before, for whatever reason, people figured out they better say they
> hated it...
>

Yo Matt,

The attachment is "not stored". (We can't see the poster)

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#221

From: "heather wagner" <heather.wagner@...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:38 am
Subject: Re: Re: Oh, is that right!

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thanks for posting that.

i just joined the list yesterday so clicked around to see the other images and found the review by this michael giltz fellow, which is astounding in its abject shallowness and totally literal reading of this great and subtle comedy! aside from the blatantly sexist comments (did it *really* set "women" directors back ten years?), the guy complains that the songs are bad(!) and that he's subjected to a LOT of them. like...um. duh?

i hadn't seen it in at least 10 years but watched it on christmas day with my boyfriend, who had claimed to be a fan--what a great bonding experience: turns out we were both impressed at how much better it was than we'd recalled it! i hadn't remembered the cinematography being so artful (i googled it to learn that vittorio storaro had won oscars for reds, last emperor and apocalypse now, had NO idea) and that the humor held up, lo these 21 years! i know i'm preaching to the choir on this list, but it's such a sad story on one hand (the studio head who comes in halfway through shooting, has a grudge against warren beatty and dustin hoffman, is curmudgeonly about it being overbudget and the LADY director and leaks negativity to the press pre-release thus ensuring bad reviews) and yet, had it not been so universally reviled, folks probably wouldn't have such a proud and almost defiant allegiance to this movie, which, to my mind, is on par with any cult comedy classic like 'caddyshack', 'meatballs', or 'airplane', totally ahead of its time. i am not exaggerating!

if so-called "uncomfortable" humor like the office or seinfeld had already been part of cultural consciousness, it probably would have been hugely popular, but folks just didn't know how to deal with something so subtle and self-consciously "bad".

my dream is for a remake. with hm...matt damon and ben affleck, and maybe angelina jolie?

okay, in your wildest dreams, who would you have play lyle and chuck? i know this is a blatant attempt to get some activity on this list, but hey, it's after xmas and before new years, what else are you doing?

kind regards,
heather

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:48 PM, n8binus <n8binus@...> wrote:

--- In ILoveIshtar@yahoogroups.com, "matt love" <mattlove1@...> wrote:
>
> You have to squint a bit to read this poster, but it's worth the
> effort. Here's more evidence that several reviewers liked Ishtar...
> before, for whatever reason, people figured out they better say they
> hated it...
>

Yo Matt,

The attachment is "not stored". (We can't see the poster)

-N8

#220

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:57 am
Subject: Re: Re: Oh, is that right!

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sorry about that!

I've put it in the photos section of the yahoo website: it's in this folder:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ILoveIshtar/photos/album/69912030/pic/list

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:48 PM, n8binus <n8binus@...> wrote:

--- In ILoveIshtar@yahoogroups.com, "matt love" <mattlove1@...> wrote:
>
> You have to squint a bit to read this poster, but it's worth the
> effort. Here's more evidence that several reviewers liked Ishtar...
> before, for whatever reason, people figured out they better say they
> hated it...
>

Yo Matt,

The attachment is "not stored". (We can't see the poster)

-N8

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#219

From: "n8binus" <n8binus@...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:48 am
Subject: Re: Oh, is that right!

n8binus

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--- In ILoveIshtar@yahoogroups.com, "matt love" <mattlove1@...> wrote:
>
> You have to squint a bit to read this poster, but it's worth the
> effort.  Here's more evidence that several reviewers liked Ishtar...
> before, for whatever reason, people figured out they better say they
> hated it...
>

Yo Matt,

    The attachment is "not stored".  (We can't see the poster)

                -N8

#218

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:31 pm
Subject: Welcome to a new member!

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Hey Heather, what a great idea! We watched Santa Claus Conquers The Martians on Christmas, and even with the MST3000 voiceover, it was just tedious. I think Ishtar for Christmas would make a much better tradition.

This is a great group, though pretty darn quiet. It's hard to find new Ishtar news these days... we keep hoping for a break... A soundtrack CD, or at least Ishtar on DVD with some special features...

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Yahoo! Groups Notification <ILoveIshtar-acceptsub-Vpyy2aKOWbKFxuHrA3SfIwY@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello,

The following person would like to join the ILoveIshtar group:
Email address: mereubu <heather.wagner>

Comment from user:
I watched Ishtar again on Christmas and was reminded of how brilliant it
was! Glad to have found this group!

This membership request requires your approval because the
ILoveIshtar group is restricted, which means you must
approve each new member.

#217

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:16 am
Subject: Oh, is that right!

valis2001us

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You have to squint a bit to read this poster, but it's worth the
effort.  Here's more evidence that several reviewers liked Ishtar...
before, for whatever reason, people figured out they better say they
hated it...

#216

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:08 pm
Subject: Once again, somebody raises the idea of "Isthar: The Musical" like it would be a bad thing....

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This blog entry (found at http://www.spout.com/blogs/spoutblog/archive/2008/12/1/37801.aspx) was inspired by a YouTube spoof, "Waterworld: The Musical" (see it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRW4sJgtTj0).

Now I thought the vid is quite funny and clever, but I've gone on record as saying I don't understand the widespread derision of Waterworld. I haven't seen it all the way through, but I saw part of it on TV, and while it's no Ishtar, it didn't knock me to the floor clutching my head the way that, say, "National Treasure" did. Well, I do understand... the difference is, of course, that Waterworld was just too weird for a mass audience, and didn't make any money, and National Treasure was successful enough to spawn a sequel. I found it tired, formulaic, lazy, by-the-numbers, cliched, and deeply deeply cynical... but none of that matters. If something loses money it's bad. If it makes money, it's good.

Here's the blog entry:

"Is it that odd to imagine a Waterworld musical on Broadway? After all, Xanadu made it to the big stage, so anything is possible for infamous turkeys like this one. Sure, it looks rather silly in the video below, the way Patrick Warburton and company have made it, but with the right creative team Waterworld could really work as a kitchy cult attraction. Maybe team up two randoms, the way Marvel has with the upcoming Spider-Man show directed by Julie Taymor and featuring music by Bono. Honestly, there seems to be nothing that Broadway producers could announce that's any more ridiculous than what's already been done there.

So, terrible movie-turned-musical ideas may continue to be easy gags, and they're possibly even going to make me laugh, but ultimately I would like to go see Con Air: The Musical (from 30 Rock) and Planet of the Apes: The Musical (from The Simpsons) and musicals made out of Waterworld, The Postman, Battlefield Earth and especially Ishtar. Who would love you, Mariner? I would."

I had to google the Spider-man show to make sure the author hadn't fallen for another spoof... but apparently it's true. Without knowing anything more about it than the information here, it's hard to imagine anything more awful (though as an Ishtar fan, I have to keep an open mind, otherwise I'm the same kind of prejudiced hypocrite as Isthar-haters who've never seen it). It's pretty much a sure thing that whether it's really good or not, if it makes money, people will hail it as good, and if flops, they'll laugh at it and say it was horrible.

It might make an amusing parlor game to take the name of an unlikely movie (examples from real life - "The Eyes of Laura Mars" and "Carrie") and match it with unlikely creatives to come up with bizarre Broadway Musicals. But Ishtar is already almost a musical - they wouldn't need to do much more than unearth the complete songs (by Paul Williams and others).

Who would direct it? Well, I hear that the "ask a ninja" guys from YouTube are remaking "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" - I'd like to see a production of "Ishtar The Musical" directed by Kevin Nalty aka Nalts (http://www.youtube.com/user/nalts).

And as the lovely Shirra Assel, the lovely Venetian Princess (http://www.youtube.com/user/VenetianPrincess)

OK, I'll stop now.
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#215

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:21 am
Subject: Fwd: eBay Saved Search: Ishtar Soundtrack

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"Little Darlin'"Chuck & Lyle-"Ishtar" Soundtrack 45

Here's your chance to get the Little Darlin / Portable Picnic 45 for your very own! Don't start a bidding war amongst yourselves, now!

My copy is one of my prize possessions...

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#214

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Sun Nov 2, 2008 10:21 am
Subject: An Ishtar moment�

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Anne and I are here in Sao Paulo, Brazil, having a wonderful time. We came here so I could play some shows with my wonderful friends Lulina and Leo. I perform with them, time permitting, in a group we call the Waiters, and we've done the shows, and they turned out great.

There were some rough patches along the way � we were supposed to have a mini-tour to small cities around Sao Paulo, but Eduardo (Du) the friend/bandmate that was putting it together had to fire the tour organizer � who was not doing his job � and he had to start over from scratch less than a week ago� very Spinal Tap, as are most rock music moments. And there was one deliciously Isthar moment.

The show 2 nights ago was at a place called the Caf� El�trico, about 2 miles from our hotel. We're getting a better sense when and where it's safe to be out and about� Anne and I decided we would walk there � it was mostly flat, and the weather has been agreeable to those used to the chilly northern climate... but if you get lost on the way, it gets more complicated. I was worried about being late, not to mention being out in the gathering darkness, so rather than retrace our steps, we decided to take a cab the rest of the way. It took several cab drivers to consult together to identify our destination... they all use map books, nobody can possibly know the entire city, there are 130,000 streets in Sao Paulo. So even though we were within a mile of our destination, most of them had never heard of it.

No worries about being late - the show was scheduled to start at 8:00, I wanted to get there by 7:00... we actually got there 7:50, but only Six (Lulina's former bass player) and Du were already there... Six's new band Homiepie opened the show not too badly late for a change... I think we came on before 9:30.

Being Halloween, and us being the Waiters, I changed into costume - a waiter's uniform I bought at an institutional clothing outfitting store we saw trotting between museums when sight-seeing. It went over very well.

What was Spinal Tap about it? Well, to me, it was much like playing the Air Force officer's club after thinking we were going to be playing an arena � well, a bar anyway. This was a small coffee shop, the space divided up into 3 small rooms, and we were set up in a tiny little area just outside the kitchen, which worked well for the 3 piece Homiepie, but not the 8 piece Waiters. I kept having to shift my position so the real waiters could get past me carrying trays of food from the kitchen to the customers.... afterwords I went to sit down with Anne, and I muttered, "Asshole waiters," and she got the reference immediately of course, otherwise I don't think we'd have a very happy marriage.

Homiepie was great, and a tough act to follow, and it seemed to me that The Waiters were losing momentum with the audience anyway, and then about 6 songs into the set, we fried the vocal PA amplifier, reminiscent of Nigel Tuftnel's wireless problems at the Air Force gig. However, unlike Nigel, we cheerfully continued on, cutting a couple songs, and all joining in for a unison singalong to make the vocals heard over the now-turned-down instruments on the songs we did perform. We finished with "Ugly American" which I "sang" in my best strangled roar.

I had to wonder what would happen the next day when we did a show in a Sao Paulo park. Would we get top billing over the puppet show? Would we go on a jazz odyssey?

As it turned out, the show in the park went really well... no complaints. But something really bizarre happened� about an hour before the show, a few of us were sitting there talking, waiting for Du to arrive with the amps and equipment, when we heard a loud cracking - we looked across the park and a big-ass tree, and I mean big, started coming down - for no apparent reason at all, we watched in horror and fascination as this monster tree - it must have been 30 to 45 feet around at the base - toppled over, taking down huge palm trees with it, snapping them off like toothpicks . It all happened so fast, in just seconds. Immediately people swarmed across the park and from off the street, working their way through the branches, looking for people trapped under the monster.

Miraculously, apparently only one person was hurt - a woman was lead away, holding her arm, looking very shaken, maybe in shock, but able to move without assistance other than people guiding her by her elbow.

I have to say that it was far and away the strangest thing that has ever happened at any show I've ever played in... it comes darn close to exploding drummers.

Afterwards I asked Six if this sort of thing happened all the time, or if they just arranged it for Anne and my benefit. He, and everybody else, was as amazed and shocked as we were.

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#213

From: "privatecgyjmsg" <privatecgyjmsg@...>
Date: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:21 am
Subject: I have added you to my friends network today!

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I created this cool friends network and added you to my friends network. Hit-up
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#212

From: Anne Dodge <annedodge@...>
Date: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:40 pm
Subject: Re:Namesake! (-ish)

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I have to ask - how did you end up finding this on Craigslist? I mean, what were you searching for? - Anne.

#211

From: "jefleeson2000" <itmcontact@...>
Date: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for someone real. Serious only!

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...I first read it as "...real serious only..." and skipped right over it.

#210

From: sledog <sledog57@...>
Date: Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for someone real. Serious only!

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I wonder why the biker chicks dig Ishtar? Could be that some people would rather live in quiet desperation. Thanx Matt.

--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Matt Love <mattlove1@...> wrote:

From: Matt Love <mattlove1@...>
Subject: [ILoveIshtar] Re: Looking for someone real. Serious only!
To: ILoveIshtar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 9:13 AM

Folks who had to wait for moderator approval must wonder how this spam
slips through. In this case, the bot signed up Oct 8, 2007 and lurked
until the perfect time to look for someone real - today. I don't know
if there are others among our 72 members (yes, it's true! 72 people
with the best taste in movies in the world have gathered here) are
spambots who joined before I put on the moderator approval thing...
I'll just have to zap them when they show themselves.

The other day on a music list, the topic of accordions came up. It
was the perfect opportunity to recommend Ishtar to a new crowd of people.

Of course, how are they gonna know it's a great movie if they can't
see it?

We have a complete set of Mr. Moto movies. You can buy so many weird
movies and TV shows at COSTCO (for example) it's just unreal. But you
can't get Ishtar on DVD!

--- In ILoveIshtar@ yahoogroups. com, "mynewabfriend"
<mynewabfriend@ ...> wrote:
>
> I am looking for someone real. Serious only! If you are interested,
plz add me here:
> http://clarkyhm. zoomshare. com/files/ newmessage. htm
>

#209

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: Namesake! (-ish)

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That's excellent! Perhaps the connection is their extremely POLISHED songwriting...

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Dave Elvin <dave@...> wrote:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/793487390.html

I'm sure there's SOME connection there...I just can't come up with it.

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#208

From: Dave Elvin <dave@...>
Date: Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:25 pm
Subject: Namesake! (-ish)

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http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/793487390.html

I’m sure there’s SOME connection there...I just can’t come up with it.

#207

From: "Matt Love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: Looking for someone real. Serious only!

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Folks who had to wait for moderator approval must wonder how this spam
slips through.  In this case, the bot signed up Oct 8, 2007 and lurked
until the perfect time to look for someone real - today.  I don't know
if there are others among our 72 members (yes, it's true! 72 people
with the best taste in movies in the world have gathered here) are
spambots who joined before I put on the moderator approval thing...
I'll just have to zap them when they show themselves.

The other day on a music list, the topic of accordions came up.  It
was the perfect opportunity to recommend Ishtar to a new crowd of people.

Of course, how are they gonna know it's a great movie if they can't
see it?

We have a complete set of Mr. Moto movies. You can buy so many weird
movies and TV shows at COSTCO (for example) it's just unreal.  But you
can't get Ishtar on DVD!

--- In ILoveIshtar@yahoogroups.com, "mynewabfriend"
<mynewabfriend@...> wrote:
>
> I am looking for someone real. Serious only! If you are interested,
plz add me here:
> http://clarkyhm.zoomshare.com/files/newmessage.htm
>

#205

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:08 am
Subject: Re: I have added you to my friends network today! - and a question or two from your humble moderator

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Darn it, how do they slip through? This is why I require approval of new members, to avoid this. I'll send girlvdrider away.

Speaking of new members, there are two more. I'm very happy about this...

Somebody was going to throw an Ishtar theme party - did that come off? If so, please tell me about it. I think maybe I'll do that for my next birthday in September. Then I'll have something new to post to this list.

I was going to play some of my songs, maybe I'll do Rogers and Clarke songs instead!

Just out of curiosity - Isthar seems to be for songwriters what Spinal Tap is for people who've been in bands... are there people here who regard themselves as songwriters? Is Ishtar special for you because of that? Do you think your songs are worse/as good as/ better than Chuck and Lyle's?

Please, don't be shy!

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#203

From: "matt love" <mattlove1@...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: Welcome Aboard!

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>On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Ron K. <ronkal1976@...> wrote:

>Direct them (new members) to my "Ishtar" website.

>www.ishtarmovie1987.com

absolutely!

I'd also encourage new people (and old, if you haven't been there yet) to visit a couple of other sites:

The Homepage for the Waiting for Ishtar documentary:

http://waitingforishtar.wordpress.com/

Jef Leeson's awesome Ishtar fan page:

http://www.ishtarmovie.com/

Bob Helbig's Fan Fiction Sequel, (Telling The Truth Can be) Dangerous Business:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/bobhelbig/Telling_The_Truth_Can_Be_Dangerous_Business_index.html

There is lots of evidence out there for intelligent life on planet earth (Ishtar fans) - but it takes some time to dig it out. I have the time, I've done the digging, and I'm happy to share what I learned.

I'm going to close by stealing a comment left on the Waiting for Ishtar site, I thought it beautifully summed up much of what I love about Ishtar:

Mark Oakley Says:
July 2, 2008 at 4:03 am

Well now! This is a funny thing. I never, EVER thought I'd see the day when Ishtar would get an honest treatment. You can measure the integrity of a person in whether they form their own opinions or dance along with group-think. Ishtar is an excellent yardstick in this respect, though I never liked to use it very often as it was sort of depressing most of the time. We live in a world filled with many frightened sleep walkers, and this is a horrible, uncharitable thing to consider.

I saw Ishtar when I was seventeen, and I had no expectations whatsoever because at the time I was a sleep walker of my sort who was incapable of plugging into the notion of hip and cool at any level of society. I didn't know that there was a public opinion with regard to movies, or that one was subtly required to adopt these attitudes. I quite enjoyed Ishtar, but I didn't REALLY REALLY enjoy it per se. That came later as my awareness of the world expanded and I started meeting these wonderful, beautiful creative people who had tons of passion but only moderate talent. People who would never make it big, but who were valid, vital humans nonetheless. Ishtar is bitter-sweet, sad and encouraging and funny and gentle, honest and delusional. It has all the qualities of positive, fragile yet un-stoppable humanity. Chuck and Lyle weren't the sort who would ever write a Simon & Garfunkel song, but I realized at some point that they *were* the sort of people who Simon & Garfunkel might very well have written songs about.

Anyway, some years later I rented Ishtar with a friend, telling him, "You should see this. I remember that it was quite good and I've never understood why it has become so shunned by popular opinion."

�In retrospect, it seems to me that it was more than just the huge budget which turned public opinion against the film. I think instead that it might have had largely to do with the fact that in some ways, High school never really ends for many people. �That is, geeky people like Chuck & Lyle, who are not as talented and not as hip or savvy. . , for some reason those are exactly the kids who are punished by the purveyors of popular acceptance. The popular kids killed Ishtar.

So we watched the film. It has it's flaws, but Oh My GOD! I realized then, (at that point I was in my twenties), that it had some points of utter genius which are almost NEVER seen in film. I didn't realize it as a kid, but it its message was powerful; "Follow Your Bliss." It had Joseph Campbell, Alan Watts and Ray Bradbury written all over it. �And not in that sickly Feel-Good Disney manner which doesn't work. �If you follow your soul, it will carry you to magnificent places of great value, but unlike the false Feel-Good message, those places will often not conform to the narrowly defined, popularly accepted version of success of American Dream fortune as seen on magazine covers. �One's true journey might stop at such places, (why not? Happy, powerful people are often paid attention to), but that is never the goal. Instead, the true journey will take you to incredible, unexpected places, through terrifying challenges, and will teach lessons of much deeper value.

I think that is what horrified many viewers and reviewers of Ishtar. �The popular kids really are the ones who dictate that which is considered proper and 'cool', and the idea of breaking with popular acceptance in order to make difficult journeys for non-material reward is anathema to their mind-set. Abandon slave-hood to popular rule in order to grow spiritually? Argh! Of course it must be shunned! The slaves must not grow strong, must not escape! �And especially when you connect the psychological dots to those 44 million 1980's dollars spent in making the film. . .

Oh, god, Ishtar was an awesome movie!

For anybody who liked Ishtar, there's a less accessible, but in my opinion, even more powerful movie with a similar message. �Also critically panned, also written by a praise-sung genius, and also featuring an otherwise blockbuster cast, (Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks.) Go watch, "Joe v.s. the Volcano".

----- Original Message -----

From: matt love

To: iloveishtar

Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:55 PM

Subject: [ILoveIshtar] Welcome Aboard!

I started requiring moderator approval for this group to prevent
spam... so when people want to join, they write a few words about why
they want to join. I approved four new members this month - I ask you,
are not these declarations heartwarming:

Comment from user:
Because I'm one of the few people I know who actually GET IT. I have
very few people I
can talk with about it, this group would be perfect!
Three words: Hot Fudge Love!

Comment from user:
big fan of ishtar ... been working for years to reverse the widely held
misconception of this movie

Comment from user:
I thought I was all alone in this world -- the sole lover of Ishtar. I
can't tell you what it means to me to have found a community.

Comment from user:
I'm a big Ishtar fan. Sadly I didn't see it in the theatre but through
the magic of VHS!

****

Now that they are here, it would be great to have something new to
tell them... the domestic DVD will soon be out... the long awaited
soundtrack album or tribute album, or the Waiting for Ishtar
documentary are soon to be out... but I can say no such thing, I
haven't heard a thing, anybody here heard any exciting news?

I've promised new members that they wouldn't get swamped with email,
but at the same time, I also said it's a warm, welcoming environment,
so if anybody has anything warm and welcoming, please say it.

I'll start by saying "welcome aboard, new members!" Hot Fudge Love, indeed!

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#202

From: "Ron K." <ronkal1976@...>
Date: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Welcome Aboard!

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Direct them to my "Ishtar" website.

www.ishtarmovie1987.com

----- Original Message -----

From: matt love

To: iloveishtar

Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:55 PM

Subject: [ILoveIshtar] Welcome Aboard!

I started requiring moderator approval for this group to prevent
spam... so when people want to join, they write a few words about why
they want to join. I approved four new members this month - I ask you,
are not these declarations heartwarming:

Comment from user:
Because I'm one of the few people I know who actually GET IT. I have
very few people I
can talk with about it, this group would be perfect!
Three words: Hot Fudge Love!

Comment from user:
big fan of ishtar ... been working for years to reverse the widely held
misconception of this movie

Comment from user:
I thought I was all alone in this world -- the sole lover of Ishtar. I
can't tell you what it means to me to have found a community.

Comment from user:
I'm a big Ishtar fan. Sadly I didn't see it in the theatre but through
the magic of VHS!

****

Now that they are here, it would be great to have something new to
tell them... the domestic DVD will soon be out... the long awaited
soundtrack album or tribute album, or the Waiting for Ishtar
documentary are soon to be out... but I can say no such thing, I
haven't heard a thing, anybody here heard any exciting news?

I've promised new members that they wouldn't get swamped with email,
but at the same time, I also said it's a warm, welcoming environment,
so if anybody has anything warm and welcoming, please say it.

I'll start by saying "welcome aboard, new members!" Hot Fudge Love, indeed!

--
Love me, love my vids
http://uk.youtube.com/user/mattlove1