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Re: [FCP-L] Re: matte key


On 15.07.2009, at 19:38, Philip Hodgetts wrote:

> I was pointing out that in FCP they are different selections: Alpha
> Matte or Travel Matte (for non-alpha black/white keying with one image
> against another.)
>

Ah! Gotcha. Sorry, I only now see where the confusion lies. FCP in
fact does say TRAVEL MATTE in the context menu (which I haven't used
in ages)! Is it me or has this secretly changed recently?? I was going
by the assumption the whole time, that it says SILHOUETTE/STENCIL
ALPHA/LUMA, as in every other app (e.g. Motion) I know that does this.
My bad.

- Robin



Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:45 am

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I have a fill and a separate matte I need to use to key over a background. Is there anything like the Avid's matte key in FCP? I guess I could use After...
Helgi Thor
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Jul 15, 2009
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luma key. g ... From: Helgi Thor <helgithor@...> Subject: [FCP-L] matte key To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:04 AM I...
Multimediac
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Sure. BG V1. Matte V2. Fill V3. Click on Fill and change Composite mode to either alpha or luma (I forget right now). You can also invert the matte clip if...
Oliver Peters
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Jul 15, 2009
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Cool! Thanks, Oliver. -- Helgi Thor Editor Fortaleza, Brazil 85 3264 9031 85 8851 0818 On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Oliver Peters < ... [Non-text portions...
Helgi Thor
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Jul 15, 2009
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Now the only problem I have is that the fill+matte is premultiplied (fill fading up from black and matte fading up from black). Any way around this? I've been...
Helgi Thor
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Jul 15, 2009
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A simple search on "premultiplied" in the FCP on-line manual would get you the answer. Select the clip. choose Edit>Item Properties>Format. (or press command ...
Steve Hullfish
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Jul 15, 2009
2:21 pm

Steve, Yes, I had figured that out, but apparently it only works if the original source has an alpha channel. In my case, the matte is separate from the fill. ...
Helgi Thor
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Jul 15, 2009
3:12 pm

... Huh?? Does the matte have an alpha or not?? Since otherwise we can't be talking about such things as "premultiplied". If it's a mere black and white matte,...
Robin S. Kurz
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Ooops... a little too much CAPITOLS in that one, sorry. Damn caps- lock.... - RK ... Robin S. Kurz GERMANY fon: +49 511 3882938 mobile:...
Robin S. Kurz
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Travel Matte could also work. Philip Hodgetts President, Intelligent Assistance TheAssistantEditor.com Fast First Cuts Big Brains for Rent...
Philip Hodgetts
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Um, well... that's what a "Travel" matte IS. Either an alpha OR a luma matte applied to a moving picture. cheers, RK...
Robin S. Kurz
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Jul 15, 2009
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... I was pointing out that in FCP they are different selections: Alpha Matte or Travel Matte (for non-alpha black/white keying with one image against...
Philip Hodgetts
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Ah! Gotcha. Sorry, I only now see where the confusion lies. FCP in fact does say TRAVEL MATTE in the context menu (which I haven't used in ages)! Is it me...
Robin S. Kurz
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Jul 16, 2009
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Yes, it is a luma matte. Sorry I didn't made that clear. What I have is a video with logo on a black background and a matte (white on black background). Both...
Helgi Thor
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Jul 15, 2009
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I ran into this before. Unfortunately there is no "real" fix. The problem is that both your matte and your fill are both "fading up". Ideally, your fill would...
Tim McLaughlin
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Jul 15, 2009
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Tim, Yes, the problem is really that the fill is fading up and yes, it is animating. :-( I could almost do it right in After Effects, using the Set Matte and ...
Helgi Thor
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Jul 15, 2009
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I've worked around this before by using 'screen' or 'add' transfer modes to superimpose the fill on the background - then using the alpha (or travel matt) to...
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Jul 15, 2009
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Just because it's black and white doesn't make it a luma key. It's actually probably supposed to be a traveling matte. ... [Non-text portions of this message...
Steve Hullfish
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Jul 15, 2009
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Hmmm. I'm getting confused with the terminology. But bottom line is the problem couldn't be fixed in FCP, but I managed to solve it in After Effects. Now I'm...
Helgi Thor
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Hmmm... well, if I weren't equally confused as to what the actual problem was and what exactly it is you did in AE to „fix" it, I'm sure I could tell...
Robin S. Kurz
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Jul 15, 2009
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Robin, I'll try to explain this again and I'm sorry if I mess up the terminology again. I hope it's allright to keep it on list, as someone else might learn...
Helgi Thor
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Jul 15, 2009
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Helgi, without having material (meaning material like yours) at the moment to *practically* do this, I can only give you the more or less *theoretical* take on...
Robin S. Kurz
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Jul 16, 2009
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... You're right. The fact that it is black and white and is being used to create AN ALPHA CHANNEL in fact doesn't make it a KEY, but rather a MATTE. ;-) ... I...
Robin S. Kurz
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Jul 15, 2009
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You can actually do this directly in the Browser window if you have the "Alpha" column activated. Simply right-click in the "Alpha" column next to the clip in...
Robin S. Kurz
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Jul 15, 2009
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Yes. Go here http://www.finalcutters.com and enter "travel matte" into the search Martin Baker www.digital-heaven.co.uk www.twitter.com/digitalheaven ...
Martin Baker
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Jul 15, 2009
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Very nice! I've been checking out this site, but never paid attention to the search function. Helgi Thor Editor Fortaleza, Brazil 85 3264 9031 85 8851 0818 On...
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