--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, "puppetmaker36" <puppetmaker@...> wrote:
>
> Apparently Henson Associates has entered a new publishing
> contract with Archaia (who do Mouse Guard)
>
> http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21700
>
> I don't know where this leaves the projects that were in production.
>
> Puppetmaker
>

Well I e-mailed Heidi Arnhold about this and here's what's she said:

Howdy!

Yeah, I heard through the grapevine about the new comic books Henson has in the
works with Archaia.  That's a separate pursuit from the books with Tokyopop,
however, and thankfully it doesn't mean they won't finish up Legends of the Dark
Crystal.  Volume 2 was put on hold for a very long time, but we recently started
up again, and it will be released sometime next year.  We should be wrapping up
the story in this volume as well.

I appreciate your concern about all this!  I wasn't sure myself if the book
would ever see the light of day, but now that we're through that tunnel things
seem more hopeful.  I'll have to check out those Archaia books sometime.

Take care, and thanks again!
-Heidi

Archaia Comics, Sony Pictures Blu-ray, and Lionsgate press releases have been
added to the News page!

http://habidabad.com/news.htm

The "Available Merchandise" page has been fully updated and includes all Blu-ray
DVDs for pre-order!
US, UK, Canada, Germany, France, and Japan!

http://habidabad.com/available_merchandise.htm

"The Book of Habidabad - A Dark Crystal Site" News is now available on your cell
phone!

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--- On Tue, 9/1/09, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...> wrote:


From: louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
Subject: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Re: NON-DC: Get To Know You Survey
To: crystalfan2912@...
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:46 PM







Interplanetary Survey:
 
1.If you could build a house anywhere,where would it be? 
 
Skek Arlak:
 
When we crack the Great Crystal-and we will-I will rebuild the Castle hoiKakow
because that was MY clan's castle.
 
What's your favorite article of clothing?
 
2. My traditional camouflage cloak.
I wear it all the time. 'Including in water?'-Yes: and on land also:
I hunt in that;on land AND in water...I wear it to college:
I march in it on Dark Crystal Day.
 
Favorite physical feature of opposite sex...?
3. Attraction to ME is what will most matter...!
 
What is the last CD that you bought?
4. "Crack That Crystal," "Exploding urSkeks," and "Your Beautiful Beak."
 
Where is your favorite place to be?
5. In the Imperial Parade.
 
 
Where's your least favorite place...?
6. In an urSkek.
 
What's your favorite place to be massaged?
7. -Have not had sex yet.
 
What's the most important-a strong mind or a strong body?
8. Without a mind powerful enough to stop an urSkekker I would not HAVE a
body-so-
Although Skeksis have bodies built to last a LONG time...and I am strong for my
species...yet...without VERY powerful minds...We would have no bodies.
  
What time do you wake up in the morning?
9. Before dawn I awaken...We are crepuscular creatures...Before dawn...and
again, during twilight,that is when we awaken; full day is siesta.
 
We are not people.
 
 
What is your favorite kitchen appliance?
10. A jointing sword. Its sharpened "jags" dismantle any size animal you can
catch.
 
11. What makes you really angry?
Letting that Gelfling get at the Great Crystal.
 I would have finished him first.
 One grip of my claws-before he saw me-I would have...
 
Kira? Had I been the exile? Needing her to display to be reinstated...?
 
Well...I might have brought her in still alive...
But...
I would have crippled her first.
 
12.If you could play any instrument,what would it be?
 
We march on Dark Crystal Day
Leaping whips  more than  display
Air reechoes on attack
Symbolizes CrystalCrack.
 
So my whip is what I play
Marching on  Dark Crystal Day
 
Carries an emphatic voice...!
 
Is my instrument of choice.
 
13.What is your favorite color?
 The true Dark Crystal Color.
 
14. Which do you prefer,sports car or SUV? 
 I wouldn't  trade my fine saddle Garthim for anything else.
 
15. Do you believe in an afterlife?
 I believe in more than one afterlife:
We were not in OUR bodies while we were in urSkeks.
 
16. What is your favorite childrens' book?
 "SkekSurtih's Stories" became my favorite before I saw our Scroll
Keeper printing them upon parchment in case skekSurtih did not come back from
the Crystal Conflict alive.
 
 17.What is your favorite season?
 Hunting season.
 
18. What is your least favorite household chore?
Pfah. I never do them.
 
19. If you could have one super power,what would it be?
To fly through hard vacuum,fly to Thra undetected...
You know why,of course:
I would crack the Great Crystal.
 
20. If you have a tattoo,what it is it?
I'll tell you:
 
UrKo said we should both be the urSkek ArlakKO.
 
My mental tattoo is an exploding urSkek.
 
I have had to tell him.
 
He does  not try that now.
 
21. Can you juggle?
Metaphorical juggling.
That is what I think I did to explode my own urSkek.
 
22. The person from the past that you wish you could go back and talk to-
The true Crystal Cracker! I would want to see!!!
 
23. What is your favorite day?
What would I say?
Dark Crystal Day!
 
24. What's in the trunk of your car?
Pfahk! I ride a bellyclaw Garthim.
Good bellyclaws carry more than you think.
 
25. Which do you prefer,sushi or hamburger?
I prefer a baked Weedron to anything else.
 
The foods of Thra, Ahk!
So scarce, so expensive...
 
Lucky to cop a Nebrie on Dark Crystal Day.
 

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: [CrystalCorner] Re: NON-DC: Get To Know You Survey
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 6:00 PM


 



Yeah I got unbelievably bored.. So bored that I actually started searching the
message archives here and found this and thought what the hell filling this out
might pass the time.

1. IF YOU COULD BUILD A HOUSE ANYWHERE, WHERE WOULD IT BE?
Close enough to town that I'd have indoor plumbing and electricity but far
enough away that I wouldn't have to be around a whole lot of people

2. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE ARTICLE OF CLOTHING?
None

3. FAVORITE PHYSICAL FEATURE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX?
Really hard to choose

4.WHAT'S THE LAST CD THAT YOU BOUGHT?
Bought a couple: Ry Cooder - The Slide Area, Tom Waits - Nighthawks At The
Diner, Frank Zappa - Overnite Sensation/Apostroph e

5. WHERE'S YOUR FAVORITE PLACE TO BE?
Anywhere where I'm either playing or listening to good music

6. WHERE'S YOUR LEAST FAVORITE PLACE TO BE?
Visiting certain relatives I dislike

7. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE PLACE TO BE MASSAGED?
Never had a massage before

8 WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT - STRONG IN MIND OR STRONG IN BODY?
Mind

9. WHAT TIME DO YOU WAKE IN THE MORNING?
8 o'clock at night I work the nightshift

10 WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE KITCHEN APPLIANCE?
Microwave.. I'm completely useless and it's literally by the grace of god I can
actually wipe myself.. Something as convenient as the microwave is a life saver
for me.

11. WHAT MAKES YOU REALLY ANGRY?
Humanity

12. IF YOU COULD PLAY ANY INSTRUMENT WHAT WOULD IT BE?
I already play the bass guitar

13. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE COLOR?
None

14. WHICH DO YOU PREFER, SPORTS CAR OR SUV?
Something small and fuel efficient that gets me from A to B not really a car
person or a recreation driver either driving stresses me out and I hate it more
than anything

15. DO YOU BELIEVE IN AFTERLIFE?
I don't know because I've never died

16. FAVORITE CHILDREN'S BOOK
Grew up in a house with a television.. 'Nuff said

17. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE SEASON?
When it's just cold enough that the insects aren't out yet but it's just warm
enough that I can go outside without freezing

18. WHAT'S YOUR LEAST FAVORITE HOUSEHOLD CHORE?
Cooking (I'm very bad at it)

19. IF YOU COULD HAVE ONE SUPER POWER, WHAT WOULD IT BE?
The ability to stop annoying people from speaking

20. IF YOU HAVE A TATTOO, WHAT IS IT?
None

21. CAN YOU JUGGLE?
Nope

22. THE PERSON FROM YOUR PAST YOU WISH YOU COULD GO BACK AND TALK TO?
No one, I don't like a lot of the people I know from my present to be honest

23. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE DAY?
My days off

24. WHAT'S IN THE TRUNK OF YOUR CAR?
Tire

25. WHICH DO YOU PREFER, SUSHI OR HAMBURGER?
Hamburger

--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, Doria Kindala <doria_kindala@ ...>
wrote:
>
> 1. IF YOU COULD BUILD A HOUSE ANYWHERE, WHERE WOULD IT BE?
> Happy where I am
>
> 2. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE ARTICLE OF CLOTHING?
> Prefer none
>
> 3. FAVORITE PHYSICAL FEATURE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX?
> Legs (both sexes)
>
> 4.WHAT'S THE LAST CD THAT YOU BOUGHT?
> Never bought one.
>
> 5. WHERE'S YOUR FAVORITE PLACE TO BE?
> Home
>
> 6. WHERE'S YOUR LEAST FAVORITE PLACE TO BE?
> Physician's Office
>
> 7. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE PLACE TO BE MASSAGED?
> Lower back/upper buttocks
>
> 8 WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT - STRONG IN MIND OR STRONG IN BODY?
> Mind (being strong in body hasn't helped me much)
>
> 9. WHAT TIME DO YOU WAKE IN THE MORNING?
> First Sunrise
>
> 10 WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE KITCHEN APPLIANCE?
> Microwave (wish I had one)
>
> 11. WHAT MAKES YOU REALLY ANGRY?
> When my loved ones get hurt needlessly
>
> 12. IF YOU COULD PLAY ANY INSTRUMENT WHAT WOULD IT BE?
> Already can. Harp.
>
> 13. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE COLOR?
> Red.
>
> 14. WHICH DO YOU PREFER, SPORTS CAR OR SUV?
> Never driven. I have no idea.
>
> 15. DO YOU BELIEVE IN AFTERLIFE?
> Yes
>
> 16. FAVORITE CHILDREN'S BOOK
> Never had any books as a child.
>
> 17. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE SEASON?
> Warm Season (what you'd call summer)
>
> 18. WHAT'S YOUR LEAST FAVORITE HOUSEHOLD CHORE?
> Cooking (I'm very bad at it)
>
> 19. IF YOU COULD HAVE ONE SUPER POWER, WHAT WOULD IT BE?
> Speed
>
> 20. IF YOU HAVE A TATTOO, WHAT IS IT?
> The spots on my legs are natural. :) No tattoos.
>
> 21. CAN YOU JUGGLE?
> Yes. Good practice for hand-eye coordination.
>
> 22. THE PERSON FROM YOUR PAST YOU WISH YOU COULD GO BACK AND TALK TO?
> My parents.
>
> 23. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE DAY?
> Our days don't correspond to yours. I don't really have a favorite,
> anyway. :)
>
> 24. WHAT'S IN THE TRUNK OF YOUR CAR?
> Don't have a car
>
> 25. WHICH DO YOU PREFER, SUSHI OR HAMBURGER?
> Gelfling are vegetarian.. .
>
> =====
> Doria Kindala
> Iradahn - Law Enforcement
> Kingdom of Rindaar
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> Find, Connect, Date! http://personals. yahoo.ca
>




















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Dear Theem,
 
They could have...back on  Earth Magellan lost confidence in the flat-earth
theory after he saw the Earth's round shadow reflected from the moon's surface
during a lunar eclipse.
 
The moon of Thra was much smaller than the moon of Earth.
And Smith's novel described its color as (a necessarily unbright) "mauve."
 
Although Magellan's unaided eyesight would have fared poorly on Thra
Skeksis needed little light to see: They would have known.
 
If the urRu were able to hijack the Skeksis' ocular abilities while they were
both in urSkeks they would have been able to see the true shape of Thra before
Aughra was
able to do so after the observatory was built and she could see through a
telescope.

Did Gelfling believe that Thra was flat...I am not sure that they would have.
Those who could fly could have assisted the Queen's mapmakers.
Her Majesty's ships could have offered rest stops on high seas.
They could have made accurate maps.
They would have shared them what they knew: the Podling alliance was ancient.
 
But humans did not know the true shape of Thra.
Pity that old skekOk made such inaccurate maps.
Any complete map of Thra would have revealed all the places that the Emperor did
NOT control...and his flunkies' political exaggerations would have been exposed.
 
You remember the Emperor's temper...?!?
 
No wonder skekOk made inaccurate maps.
 
Unlikely that Skeksis believed Thra was flat.
 
Did anyone else...?
I don't think so.
 
If anyone did believe skekOk it would have been the Emperor skekSo...
but not even he ever said Thra was flat.   
 
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: [CrystalCorner] Gelfings, Podlings, Aughra and what they already know
about their world
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 2:23 PM


 



When do you suppose the inhabitants of Thra learned they lived on a round
world?.. Or Aughra atleast. I'm assuming the Gelflings know too though. Did
Aughra figure that out first and tell them? Is it well known among the Gelfing?
Or do some still think they live on a flat planet? What about the Podlings? As
charming as they are they do seem to be much more simple minded it would be
suprising if they even cared about the shape of their world. I mean humans have
been around it is estimated from about 100 000 to 250 000 years and only until
about 600 years ago did we figure out that we lived on a spherical planet and
not a flat one. The inhabitants of Thra Podlings and Gelflings alike seem to be
a younger species(they seem to only have bronze age technology) yet they already
found out they live on a round planet. ShodYod when he was an urSkek helped
Aughra with her observatory was it the urSkeks who first revealed to the people
of Thra that their world was
  round?



















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Okay all. I have a survey for you.

Who does not like the Dark Crystal Rap?

Who does like the Dark Crystal Rap?

Who Does like Robot Chicken?

Who Does not like Robot Chicken?

Hi I'm GreenMage1 this is such a cool web site.

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, "greenmage1" <yazell@...> wrote:
>
> Okay all. I have a survey for you.
>
> Who does not like the Dark Crystal Rap?
>
> Who does like the Dark Crystal Rap?

The Dark Crystal Rap was pretty funny..  There's just something about the way
they did Kira that made me chuckle:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x170/SockbatReplica/InterestingLookForKira.pn\
g

> Who Does like Robot Chicken?
>
> Who Does not like Robot Chicken?

Yeah Robot Chicken is a pretty funny show

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, "greenmage1" <yazell@...> wrote:
>
> Hi I'm GreenMage1 this is such a cool web site.
>

Hi Greenmage1..  Welcome, yeah this is a cool website if you're patient enough
to wait for a good discussion to start up.

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
wrote:
> What is the last CD that you bought?
> 4. "Crack That Crystal," "Exploding urSkeks," and
> "Your Beautiful Beak."

Has anyone actually written out lyrics to these peices?
 
> 11. What makes you really angry?
> Letting that Gelfling get at the Great Crystal.
>  I would have finished him first.
>  One grip of my claws-before he saw me-I would have...
>  
> Kira? Had I been the exile? Needing her to display
> to be reinstated...?
>  
> Well...I might have brought her in still alive...
> But...
> I would have crippled her first.

Haha..  Skeksil really dropped the ball on that one didn't he?

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
wrote:

> Did Gelfling believe that Thra was flat...I am not sure
> that they would have.
> Those who could fly could have assisted the Queen's mapmakers.
> Her Majesty's ships could have offered rest stops on high seas.
> They could have made accurate maps.
> They would have shared them what they knew: the Podling
> alliance was ancient.

So then that still establishes my point that the Gelfling would have figured out
what their cosmos looks like earlier in their history than we did..  There's
something about the Gelfling speedy evolution certainly when compared to us that
I cannot help but be fascinated with.

Dear Greenmage 1,
 
I do like Dark Crystal rap.
I do not like  Robot Chicken.

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, greenmage1 <yazell@...> wrote:

From: greenmage1 <yazell@...>
Subject: [CrystalCorner] Robot Chicken-The Dark Crystal Rap
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 3:13 PM



 



Okay all. I have a survey for you.

Who does not like the Dark Crystal Rap?

Who does like the Dark Crystal Rap?

Who Does like Robot Chicken?

Who Does not like Robot Chicken?



















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Or are prepared to get one going...
And/or to KEEP one going:
 
Active contributors do both.
 
I believe you can do it.
And I hope you do...Because...
 
We need good contributors.


--- On Thu, 9/17/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: [CrystalCorner] Re: Hello
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 9:38 PM


 



--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, "greenmage1" <yazell@...> wrote:
>
> Hi I'm GreenMage1 this is such a cool web site.
>

Hi Greenmage1.. Welcome, yeah this is a cool website if you're patient enough to
wait for a good discussion to start up.



















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Now really.
Although skekArlak is my creation he is not precisely myself.
I would not actually assasinate Jen...or cripple Kira...
 
Although any Dark Crystal diehard...
(and skekArlak is certainly that)
 
-Would still want to.
 
Who did write the lyrics to skekArlak's favorite CD..?
They were sung (or roared out!!!) for a very long time...
-Without being written down.
 
Who started them..? Welll...Will Skeksis EVER agree...?!?
 
Welll...diehard Skeksis agree on ONE thing:
 
SkekSil sure did "drop the ball...!!!
 
They ALL agree...!!!
 
But if anyone asks a group of Skeksis who did start "Crack that Crystal,"
"Exploding urSkeks," or "Your Beautiful Beak" they argue all over again...and
then they stop...
Because they've argued on that for more than nine hundred trine.

They do concede that:
These lyrics are public property now.
 
Anyone can create a new version...
 
And does.
 
New fanfilk,anybody...?

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Re: NON-DC: Get To Know You Survey
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 9:47 PM


 



--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@ ...>
wrote:
> What is the last CD that you bought?
> 4. "Crack That Crystal," "Exploding urSkeks," and
> "Your Beautiful Beak."

Has anyone actually written out lyrics to these peices?
 
> 11. What makes you really angry?
> Letting that Gelfling get at the Great Crystal.
>  I would have finished him first.
>  One grip of my claws-before he saw me-I would have...
>  
> Kira? Had I been the exile? Needing her to display
> to be reinstated.. .?
>  
> Well...I might have brought her in still alive...
> But...
> I would have crippled her first.

Haha.. Skeksil really dropped the ball on that one didn't he?



















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Humans have been hampered by tyrannical monkeyings with "truth."
Among many other things such garbage maintained the flat-earth theory for much
longer
than it would have ever survived without a LOT of selective repression.
 
And humans have been further hampered by internalized oppresssion:
When they internalize the garbage they get they inflict such upon both their own
minds...
AND upon OTHER'S minds...
 
All the time.
It is terrible.
 
I don't believe that Gelfling are really born smarter than we are... 
But save for a few freaks...(like Jolen diDellin) they do NOT permit "diSkeksis"
garbage
to "make" them limit their own minds...or to "make" them limit others' minds
either.
 
And so...
They appear to evolve faster than we do...because...
They permit better communication among many more equals...
And...
They spawn far fewer setbacks.

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: Re: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Gelfings, Podlings, Aughra and what they
already know about their world
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 9:55 PM


 



--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@ ...>
wrote:

> Did Gelfling believe that Thra was flat...I am not sure
> that they would have.
> Those who could fly could have assisted the Queen's mapmakers.
> Her Majesty's ships could have offered rest stops on high seas.
> They could have made accurate maps.
> They would have shared them what they knew: the Podling
> alliance was ancient.

So then that still establishes my point that the Gelfling would have figured out
what their cosmos looks like earlier in their history than we did.. There's
something about the Gelfling speedy evolution certainly when compared to us that
I cannot help but be fascinated with.



















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--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
wrote:
>
> Now really.
> Although skekArlak is my creation he is not precisely myself.
> I would not actually assasinate Jen...or cripple Kira...

Well obviously I wasn't being serious..  I'm not infavor of Jen getting murdered
and Kira crippled either.  I just have a very dark sense of humor in case you
haven't noticed.

> Who did write the lyrics to skekArlak's favorite CD..?
> They were sung (or roared out!!!) for a very long time...
> -Without being written down.

I was gonna say because I was thinking of eventually setting them to actual
music if they did exist.

> They do concede that:
> These lyrics are public property now.
>  
> Anyone can create a new version...
>  
> And does.
>  
> New fanfilk,anybody...?

Maybe if I get bored enough and some words for these songs pops into my head I
will record it..  Melody lines come to me very easily I have tonnes of them
sitting on the shelf it's just lyrics I can't write lyrics to save my life.

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
wrote:
>
> Humans have been hampered by tyrannical monkeyings with "truth."
> Among many other things such garbage maintained the
> flat-earth theory for much longer than it would have ever survived > without a
LOT of selective repression.

Yes, totalitarian systems are not known for innovation and discovery precisely
because they intentionally eliminate the smartest members of their society and
it's not like these societies really encourage debate and free discussion
anyways so the gifts of bright people who would have otherwise figured these
things out are very often squandered..  Unfortunately monarchies and
dictatorships and theocracies seem to make up most of our history..  Come to
think of it though even now of days intelligence isn't very well respected and
even though bright people are not outright executed as they would have been
during say the Soviet Union, I do notice that there is this trend now to
demonize intellectuals.  It starts in school anyone who is smart is immediately
ridiculed as a geek, a nerd or a grind.  Intelligence is often seen as an asset
as opposed to a liability.  So then this difference in our societies allows
Gelfling to make these discoveries sooner.
 
> I don't believe that Gelfling are really born smarter
> than we are...

No but if I had to make a guess I'd say that their adrenaline glands are
probably smaller then ours and their frontal lobes bigger.  If this is true then
it would explain a lot.  Also to that's before you even get into the obious
advantages of dreamfasting which would not only enhance their relationships as
Kira has often told me about but would also allow ideas and innovation to spread
faster.

> But save for a few freaks...(like Jolen diDellin)
> they do NOT permit "diSkeksis" garbage to "make" them
> limit their own minds...or to "make" them limit others'
> minds either.

Yup a Gelfling totalitarian really is a 'freak' in Gelfling society..  Not so
much with our species unfortunately.

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
wrote:
>
> Or are prepared to get one going...
> And/or to KEEP one going:
>  
> Active contributors do both.
>  
> I believe you can do it.
> And I hope you do...Because...
>  
> We need good contributors.

Well I've had lengthy discussions with Kira and also you Louise..  Unfortunately
there doesn't seem to be enough traffic to this website these days so it's hard
to get a conversation going.

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, "theem_from" <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
wrote:

> > But save for a few freaks...(like Jolen diDellin)
> > they do NOT permit "diSkeksis" garbage to "make" them
> > limit their own minds...or to "make" them limit others'
> > minds either.
>
> Yup a Gelfling totalitarian really is a 'freak'
> in Gelfling society..  Not so much with our species unfortunately.
>

A thought just came to me with regards to totalitarianism and probably one of
the most notorious depictions of it Orwell's classic 1984..  In 1984 Big Brother
convicted people of thought crime and of course they couldn't actually read
peoples minds however a Gelfling totalitarian system truely would be able to
convict someone of thought crime given they have the ability to dreamfast.

Dear Mondo Generator,
 
Human totalitarians WERE "freaks" in most communities before the Kurgan
invasions.
Since these invasions peaked between roughly 5 and 6 thousand years ago it is
easy to see why most moderns would not know that the Kurgans' political
successors official versions of "history" are still creating highly inaccurate
accounts.
 
The first organized urban communities did not wait for the first pharoahs of
Egypt or
the first tyrants in ancient Greece or for slave traffic anywhere in the world
or for the ancient armies that ancient slave catchers followed to their kind of
"victory." No:
They left definitive proof that they did survive. For more than four thousand
years.
Before their physical destruction by invaders who left (probably unwitting)
evidence.
 
Marija Gimbutas wrote the "Goddess" books.
Their titles refer to ancient,widespread religion in places that are still
recognizably
civilized as soon as scholars reconstruct what is left of them.
 
Riane Eisler drew upon this material to write "The Chalice and the Blade."
 
More has been found since she did so:
Which goes to show that:
 
We WERE probably as "good" as Gelfling...For a VERY long time...But...
 
 We got the equivalent of the Emperor skekSo,his Garthim armies,and skekOk's
highly "edited" versions of "objective historical scholarship" for more than
FIVE
thousand years...and over a far greater area...Than the Crystal Country in Thra.
 
We look worse than Gelfling? -Of course we do.
Had their history been as awful as our own they'd look terrible too. 
Just picture FIVE THOUSAND YEARS of Jolenite "justification"!!!
 
It would blow your mind.
-And theirs.
 
Then picture happy human beings whose only serious oppressors were a single
group of Skeksis who have been deported...Leaving ALL humans at lifelong
liberty.
 
Had our roles been reversed we would be going great.

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:

From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Gelfings, Podlings, Aughra and what they
already know about their world
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:47 PM
 
--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Humans have been hampered by tyrannical monkeyings with "truth."
> Among many other things such garbage maintained the
> flat-earth theory for much longer than it would have ever survived > without a
LOT of selective repression.

Yes, totalitarian systems are not known for innovation and discovery precisely
because they intentionally eliminate the smartest members of their society and
it's not like these societies really encourage debate and free discussion
anyways so the gifts of bright people who would have otherwise figured these
things out are very often squandered.. Unfortunately monarchies and
dictatorships and theocracies seem to make up most of our history.. Come to
think of it though even now of days intelligence isn't very well respected and
even though bright people are not outright executed as they would have been
during say the Soviet Union, I do notice that there is this trend now to
demonize intellectuals. It starts in school anyone who is smart is immediately
ridiculed as a geek, a nerd or a grind. Intelligence is often seen as an asset
as opposed to a liability. So then this difference in our societies allows
Gelfling to make these discoveries sooner.
 
> I don't believe that Gelfling are really born smarter
> than we are...

No but if I had to make a guess I'd say that their adrenaline glands are
probably smaller then ours and their frontal lobes bigger. If this is true then
it would explain a lot. Also to that's before you even get into the obious
advantages of dreamfasting which would not only enhance their relationships as
Kira has often told me about but would also allow ideas and innovation to spread
faster.

> But save for a few freaks...(like Jolen diDellin)
> they do NOT permit "diSkeksis" garbage to "make" them
> limit their own minds...or to "make" them limit others'
> minds either.

Yup a Gelfling totalitarian really is a 'freak' in Gelfling society.. Not so
much with our species unfortunately.




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You had conversations with Kira...?
What did she say?

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Re: Hello
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:50 PM


 



--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Or are prepared to get one going...
> And/or to KEEP one going:
>  
> Active contributors  do both.
>  
> I believe you can do it.
> And I hope you do...Because. ..
>  
> We need good contributors.

Well I've had lengthy discussions with Kira and also you Louise.. Unfortunately
there doesn't seem to be enough traffic to this website these days so it's hard
to get a conversation going.



















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You were talking to Kira...?
 
What did she say?

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Re: Hello
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:50 PM


 



--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Or are prepared to get one going...
> And/or to KEEP one going:
>  
> Active contributors  do both.
>  
> I believe you can do it.
> And I hope you do...Because. ..
>  
> We need good contributors.

Well I've had lengthy discussions with Kira and also you Louise.. Unfortunately
there doesn't seem to be enough traffic to this website these days so it's hard
to get a conversation going.



















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On 30-Sep-09, at 7:01 PM, louise rothstein wrote:
> You had conversations with Kira...?
> What did she say?
>

That's a pretty open ended question, Louise, given how many subjects
I've talked about here over the years.
Kira Kindala
Operational Ruler
Kingdom of Rindaar

Dear Mondo Generator,
 
The lyrics to "O My Beautiful Doll" incorporate:
"Oh my beautiful doll,my great big beautiful doll..." if you decide to alter
this to
"Oh,your beautiful beak,your great big beautiful beak" you will glimpse the
process
by which certain filkers create filk by merely changing a few words in songs
that are (or which were) well known.
 
Like"Oh My Beautiful Doll..." but nobody did "do" that doll...if YOU do...!
 
Maybe, just maybe,
 
YOU will find your first filk.
 
P.S. There is an audio file in the Crystal Corner that has had little in it
beyond
a few of Jen's musical doodles for a LOOONG time.
 
By "My (transformedly!) Beautiful Doll,"
 
We could change that.
 
Perhaps,too, one of the tunes on your shelf" would be right for
such horribly ungolden oldies as:
 
"Crack that Crystal! CRACKCRACKCRACK! Crackcrackcrackcrack!
CRACK THAT CRYSTAL! Crackcrackcrack! Crackcrackcrackcrack!
Crack that Crys-tal! Enemies are easy mark!
More.. than... CRYS-TAL
Can go "Crack!"
In Garthim Park!"
____________________________
Orrr....
____________________________
 
"Fear what urSkekkers bestow?
Let us hear an urSkek blow!
 
Sound like we are throwing up?
Did it to urRuan pup
For we gobbled awful stuff
UrRu know we took enough
Threw up on Conjunction Day:
 
Our "urSkekkers"?
 
So did they.
 
Awful noises are the song...?!?
Fizzgig fur emetic strong!!!
So hard...were upchucking too...Couldn't even croak "EEYOOO!!!"
 
Staggering in Skeksan space...
UrRu vomiting disgrace...
 
Though they came for more than fun
UrRu lost and Skeksis won.
 
That is what we do believe
Though in exile...we grieve...
 
We reclaimed right to be us:
 
Worth a most revolting fuss.
 
So we show in full array
Marching on Dark Crystal Day
 
For  when all is said and done
UrRu lost and Skeksis won.


--- On Tue, 9/22/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Re: NON-DC: Get To Know You Survey
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:32 PM


 



--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Now really.
> Although skekArlak is my creation he is not precisely myself.
> I would not actually assasinate Jen...or cripple Kira...

Well obviously I wasn't being serious.. I'm not infavor of Jen getting murdered
and Kira crippled either. I just have a very dark sense of humor in case you
haven't noticed.

> Who did write the lyrics to skekArlak's favorite CD..?
> They were sung (or roared out!!!) for a very long time...
> -Without being written down.

I was gonna say because I was thinking of eventually setting them to actual
music if they did exist.

> They do concede that:
> These lyrics are public property now.
>  
> Anyone can create a new version...
>  
> And does.
>  
> New fanfilk,anybody. ..?

Maybe if I get bored enough and some words for these songs pops into my head I
will record it.. Melody lines come to me very easily I have tonnes of them
sitting on the shelf it's just lyrics I can't write lyrics to save my life.



















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Few Gelfling ever liked to think lying thoughts:
but they would have learned to do it if Jolen had abused them much longer.
 
This would have brought them only partial protection.
Mental censorship doesn't really depend on effective mind reading.
Intimidation is the name of its game...As intolerance is.
 
Neither of which are compatible with dreamfasting.
Jolen's mental coercion felt rather like rape.
Real dreamfasting felt more like love.
Intimate.
Shared.
Profoundly coercion free.
 
That is what it was like.
 
And Jolen did not do it well.
 
To do dreamfasting well...
 
He would have had to change.
--- On Tue, 9/22/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:


From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Gelfings, Podlings, Aughra and what they
already know about their world
To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 11:10 PM


 



--- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, "theem_from" <Mondo_Generator_ 44@...>
wrote:

> > But save for a few freaks...(like Jolen diDellin)
> > they do NOT permit "diSkeksis" garbage to "make" them
> > limit their own minds...or to "make" them limit others'
> > minds either.
>
> Yup a Gelfling totalitarian really is a 'freak'
> in Gelfling society.. Not so much with our species unfortunately.
>

A thought just came to me with regards to totalitarianism and probably one of
the most notorious depictions of it Orwell's classic 1984.. In 1984 Big Brother
convicted people of thought crime and of course they couldn't actually read
peoples minds however a Gelfling totalitarian system truely would be able to
convict someone of thought crime given they have the ability to dreamfast.



















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Kira from this forum of course.. Last november we had a long discussion about
human vs gelfling nature it was interesting.  I was actually responding to what
you had said Louise about the solution to poverty being us humans living like
the Gelfling and Podlings, I honestly thought the conversation was just going to
end there but then Kira just had sooo much to say in response I think the back
and forth went on for a solid week.

Actually I find that rather interesting about Kira, because sometimes she'll go
into great detail about something that wasn't even a significant point in the
converstaion.  For example I remember when I first got the Dark Crystal Manga I
had basically just posted my thoughts on the story just random musings mostly
and I made a cheezy little joke when I compared Gelfing to hippies I added in
brackets 'I'm sure Gelfling bathe more though' and it obviously wasn't a serious
question or anything it was just a little quip but out of nowhere Kira had felt
the need to post an entire paragraph in response describing the bathing rituals
of herself, Jen and Doria.  It's a little part of her personality that I for
some reason happen to find very fascinating.

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
wrote:
>
>
> You had conversations with Kira...?
> What did she say?
>
> --- On Tue, 9/22/09, theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: theem_from <Mondo_Generator_44@...>
> Subject: Fw: [CrystalCorner] Re: Hello
> To: CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:50 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> --- In CrystalCorner@ yahoogroups. com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@ ...>
wrote:
> >
> > Or are prepared to get one going...
> > And/or to KEEP one going:
> >  
> > Active contributors  do both.
> >  
> > I believe you can do it.
> > And I hope you do...Because. ..
> >  
> > We need good contributors.
>
> Well I've had lengthy discussions with Kira and also you Louise..
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be enough traffic to this website these days
so it's hard to get a conversation going.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On 1-Oct-09, at 12:06 AM, theem_from wrote:

> I remember when I first got the Dark Crystal Manga I had basically
> just posted my thoughts on the story just random musings mostly and
> I made a cheezy little joke when I compared Gelfing to hippies I
> added in brackets 'I'm sure Gelfling bathe more though' and it
> obviously wasn't a serious question or anything it was just a little
> quip but out of nowhere Kira had felt the need to post an entire
> paragraph in response describing the bathing rituals of herself, Jen
> and Doria. It's a little part of her personality that I for some
> reason happen to find very fascinating.

I knew you were joking but it seemed like a good opportunity to start
a discussion.

Kira Kindala
Operational Ruler
Kingdom of Rindaar

> Perhaps,too, one of the tunes on your shelf" would be right for
> such horribly ungolden oldies as:
>  
> "Crack that Crystal! CRACKCRACKCRACK! Crackcrackcrackcrack!
> CRACK THAT CRYSTAL! Crackcrackcrack! Crackcrackcrackcrack!
> Crack that Crys-tal! Enemies are easy mark!
> More.. than... CRYS-TAL
> Can go "Crack!"
> In Garthim Park!"

I've already begun work on a kind of well let's say Edgar Varese/Captain
Beefheartish melody for crack that crystal..  I think that's the peice I'm going
to work on first because I've already got it started.  It's very percussion
oriented, very dissonent not melodical at all most listeners might find the tune
unlistenable by the time it's finished..  I still haven't figured out how the
vocals are going to work I mean how I'm going to actually add vocals to this
peice.  Because this is very different than anything else I've ever really
composed in that it's supposed to be 'skeksis music' I mean first off I'm not a
vocalist I've never sung any of the songs I've written usually they are
instrumentals and the singer of whatever group I'm playing in when they do add
lyrics does the singing.  The vocals are supposed to be a lot of growling and
howling type vocals so I don't know how I'm going to do that.

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Mondo Generator,
>  
> Human totalitarians WERE "freaks" in most communities before
> the Kurgan invasions.

No but we are a species that has been burdened by totalitarianism for quite a
long time.  So human totalitarians are not really freaks anymore.


> We WERE probably as "good" as Gelfling...For a VERY
> long time...But...

Well we did have barbarism and tribal wars(Which is obviously a different
problem from totalitarianism but I would still hardly call it "good")..  Up
until the 1500s 2/3 of the world still hunter/gather populations which very
often engaged in genocidal wars.  Of course these instincts predate our species,
it actually arose in apes before the chimp/human split.  Jane Goodall has
observed chimpanzees coming together and with coordination move to a neighboring
community of chimps and then find and kill victims.

 

> We look worse than Gelfling? -Of course we do.
> Had their history been as awful as our own they'd look
> terrible too. 
> Just picture FIVE THOUSAND YEARS of Jolenite "justification"!!!

Well Jolen again seems to be a rarity among Gelfing.  In my previous discussions
about Gelfling vs. Human as much as Kira objected to my comparison of humans to
Skeksis I have gotten her to concede that even if my veiws on humanity is
incredibly harsh Gelfling are still better able to restrain their violent urges
than humans.  I remember she even once said "I'm sorry but" before stating the
obvious that Gelfing are more emotionaly evolved than we humans are, of course
she didn't have to apologize for making that criticism because it is true.  I
don't know a whole lot about the Gelfling anantomy but if I'd have to guess I'd
say two other differences Gelfling probably have with us humans is they probably
have smaller adrenaline glands than we humans do and probably larger frontal
lobes.
 

--- In CrystalCorner@yahoogroups.com, louise rothstein <crystalfan2912@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Few Gelfling ever liked to think lying thoughts:

Really it is possible for Gelfling to lie in their thoughts?..  This is truely
interesting.  I mean the thing I always found interesting about dreamfasting is
it would create a kind of honesty I mean it would be hard to keep secrets.  I
mean even little secrets..  Sometimes it is commonplace to not tell someone what
you really think to avoid hurting their feelings.  But if someone is
dreamfasting with you if there is something you don't like about them they'd
know it through dreamfasting wouldn't they?..  I guess then problems might get
resolved faster rather than suppressing whatever issues you have with a person. 
Is it hard to be tactful when dreamfasting?.. I mean if you really think
something bad about someone it would be hard for the other person not to find
out.

On 1-Oct-09, at 2:22 PM, theem_from wrote:

> I remember she even once said "I'm sorry but" before stating the
> obvious that Gelfing are more emotionaly evolved than we humans are,
> of course she didn't have to apologize for making that criticism
> because it is true.


Even if true, it is still ordinary politeness to apologize before
criticizing someone.  This appears to be common sense since both
Gelfling and Humans tend to do this.

Kira Kindala
Operational Ruler
Kingdom of Rindaar