Sorry the link for Frog-g-g! didn't work. Hope this one does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDYf3jK3iQk


--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, Dale <daleanscomb@...> wrote:
>
> Picking for this is always fun. I thought I'd go with a few different ones
this time around.
>
> Robot Monster '53 - I've heard about it, but never seen it. Found it on
you-tube so why not.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq9IKsH9BXg
>
> Octaman '71 - It's what you get if you cross The Creature From The Black
Lagoon with Squiddly Diddly.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j6xhFdDxDI
>
> Jack Frost '96 - A serial killer turned snowman.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNhD4qF4sV8
>
> Frog-g-g! '04 - It's just plain silly.

>
> Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes '78 - What were they thinking when they made
this. Better yet, what were they on?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebfLWAB8bY4
>
> Dale
>
> A Day without sunshine is like..........Night!  Steve Martin
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Picking for this is always fun. I thought I'd go with a few different ones this
time around.

Robot Monster '53 - I've heard about it, but never seen it. Found it on you-tube
so why not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq9IKsH9BXg

Octaman '71 - It's what you get if you cross The Creature From The Black Lagoon
with Squiddly Diddly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j6xhFdDxDI

Jack Frost '96 - A serial killer turned snowman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNhD4qF4sV8

Frog-g-g! '04 - It's just plain silly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDYf3jK3

Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes '78 - What were they thinking when they made this.
Better yet, what were they on?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebfLWAB8bY4

Dale

A Day without sunshine is like..........Night!  Steve Martin




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Here's my picks. (I'd hang my head in shame for even watching them but they
re entertaining in their own right.......I guess)

1. The Giant Claw (this one probably will always be my #1 pick)

2. The Green Slime (the effects weren't that bad but, let's face it, it wasn
t one of the better movies out there)

3. It conquered the World (an intelligent cucumber? From Venus? Really?)

4. Son of Godzilla (it wasn't that bad really but when the lead scientist
answers questions with "hm" almost every time, you gotta wonder)

5. The Giant Spider Invasion (I'm not really sure you could classify this as
a "so bad it's good" movie really but it definitely was a turkey)

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Some things are best left unknown.

Trust is the hardest thing to gain and the easiest to destroy.

The longest journey is the journey inward.
Dag Hammarskjold

-------Original Message-------

From: Ghosts Of Pompeii
Date: 11/21/2009 11:04:33 PM
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Secret Cinema - Thanxgiving Golden Turkey

It's that time of the year again - time to stuff the turkey then over-stuff
your belly; and as it has been at The Secret Cinema these past few years -
time to carve up this years `Thanxgiving Golden Turkey'.
You know the drill … select your favorite `so bad it's good' cinematic
turkey.
No need of me making an extensive list – you know which guilty pleasures
best suit your taste … be it bad low budget cinema from the maestros of
inept film making Ed Wood (Plan Nine From Outer Space, Bride Of The Monster,
Night Of The Ghouls) and Larry Buchanan (The Naked Witch, Loch Ness Horror,
Mistress Of The Apes, The Eye Creatures, Zontar The Thing From Venus,
Creature Of Destruction, Mars Needs Women, In The Year 2889, Curse Of The
Swamp Creature); or big budget bombs like John Travolta's "Battlefield Earth
; or even the film with the most God-awful creations like the gorilla with a
space helmet (Robot Monster) or that ridiculous flying chicken puppet (The
Giant Claw).
Pick what-ever lousy … yet entertaining … schlock film you deem worth of
being crowned this year's "Secret Cinema Thanxgiving Turkey". Just keep in
mind we have to watch this `turkey' so made sure `bad' isn't `boring' when
you make your selections.

Secret Cinema Saturday Night
*Alone In The Dark – But Together In Spirit*


Joe Shingler/Ghosts Of Pompeii




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--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, "Ghosts Of Pompeii" <alien8ed46408@...>
wrote:
>
> It's that time of the year again - time to stuff the turkey then over-stuff
your belly; and as it has been at The Secret Cinema these past few years - time
to carve up this years `Thanxgiving Golden Turkey'.
> You know the drill … select your favorite `so bad it's good' cinematic turkey.
> No need of me making an extensive list – you know which guilty pleasures best
suit your taste … be it bad low budget cinema from the maestros of inept film
making Ed Wood (Plan Nine From Outer Space, Bride Of The Monster, Night Of The
Ghouls) and Larry Buchanan (The Naked Witch, Loch Ness Horror, Mistress Of The
Apes, The Eye Creatures, Zontar The Thing From Venus, Creature Of Destruction,
Mars Needs Women, In The Year 2889, Curse Of The Swamp Creature); or big budget
bombs like John Travolta's "Battlefield Earth"; or even the film with the most
God-awful creations like the gorilla with a space helmet (Robot Monster) or that
ridiculous flying chicken puppet (The Giant Claw).
> Pick what-ever lousy … yet entertaining … schlock film you deem worth of being
crowned this year's "Secret Cinema Thanxgiving Turkey". Just keep in mind we
have to watch this `turkey' so made sure `bad' isn't `boring' when you make your
selections.
>
> Secret Cinema Saturday Night
> *Alone In The Dark – But Together In Spirit*
>
>
> Joe Shingler/Ghosts Of Pompeii
> At last,a chance to vote for some Ed Wood selections!! Here are my
choices:1)Plan 9 From Outer Space(never did find out what happened to the first
eight plans)2)Bride of the Monster 3)Glen or Glenda 4)Maximum Overdrive
5)Dracula vs Frankenstein

Bela and Boris didn't hate each other. At Bela's funeral, Boris added one
final touch. He put a glass of tomato juice in the coffin with Bela. It was
a private joke the two of them shared. To this day, no one knows what it was


Doesn't sound like they hated each other to me.

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Some things are best left unknown.

Trust is the hardest thing to gain and the easiest to destroy.

The longest journey is the journey inward.
Dag Hammarskjold

-------Original Message-------

From: jlinendoll@...


Yeah, that was a legend-none of them were at Bela's wake or funeral.
According to both families, nether Boris nor Bela hated each other. I
personally think Bela may have resented Boris getting better roles, but I
don't think they had anything really personal against each other-
Jack

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No worries Dale.  I don't expect everyone to take part every week. Just when
you have a guess.

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Some things are best left unknown.

Trust is the hardest thing to gain and the easiest to destroy.

The longest journey is the journey inward.
Dag Hammarskjold

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From: kolchak4ever

Sorry Katrina, I was a complete blank on it. Sad part is I just watched
Island of Terror last month.

Dale

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Fair enough. I can't argue with you there.

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The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Mahatma Gandhi

Time may heal all wounds but the scars remain forever.

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From: jlinendoll@...

He was typecast in respect to being the heroe, the toughest guy in the
   place. And that respect, he WAS typecast-
Jack

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1. Blood Freak
If any movie deserves to win, it's this one because it's about a guy that does
drugs, then goes to work at a turkey farm as a taste tester for these turkeys
that have been given growth hormones. The hormones interact with the drugs he's
been taking and turns into a turkey headed man and goes on a killing spree.
Don't do drugs or the Turkey Man'll getcha!

2. Five Across The Eyes
Here's another worthy contender. The dialogue in this movie has to be heard to
be believed. This could very well be the new Plan Nine From Outer Space.

3. The Lost Skeleton of Cadavera
They REALLY don't make `em like this anymore! There've been homages to fifties
B-movies in the past, but this one was made AS a fifties B-movie!

4. Beware The Blob!
J.R. should've BEEN shot for making this one! Then again, I think he was shot
when he made it!

5. Night of the Lepus
Giant Bunnies! `Nuff said.

It's that time of the year again - time to stuff the turkey then over-stuff your
belly; and as it has been at The Secret Cinema these past few years - time to
carve up this years `Thanxgiving Golden Turkey'.
You know the drill … select your favorite `so bad it's good' cinematic turkey.
No need of me making an extensive list – you know which guilty pleasures best
suit your taste … be it bad low budget cinema from the maestros of inept film
making Ed Wood (Plan Nine From Outer Space, Bride Of The Monster, Night Of The
Ghouls) and Larry Buchanan (The Naked Witch, Loch Ness Horror, Mistress Of The
Apes, The Eye Creatures, Zontar The Thing From Venus, Creature Of Destruction,
Mars Needs Women, In The Year 2889, Curse Of The Swamp Creature); or big budget
bombs like John Travolta's "Battlefield Earth"; or even the film with the most
God-awful creations like the gorilla with a space helmet (Robot Monster) or that
ridiculous flying chicken puppet (The Giant Claw).
Pick what-ever lousy … yet entertaining … schlock film you deem worth of being
crowned this year's "Secret Cinema Thanxgiving Turkey". Just keep in mind we
have to watch this `turkey' so made sure `bad' isn't `boring' when you make your
selections.

Secret Cinema Saturday Night
*Alone In The Dark – But Together In Spirit*


Joe Shingler/Ghosts Of Pompeii

Holy Cow, sounds like a lot of hard feeling at the Ghost Hunters group.
Always wondered how much money the individual team members made for working on
the show, and thought I'd love to have been a part of it. Now I'm not so sure.
It's not that I wouldn't enjoy being part of a ghost hunting team that travels
the country - or world as GHI does - but if Donna, Brian, and Andy were nearly
forced into bankruptcy as a result of being part of the show, it makes me wonder
if they were forced to pay their own travel expenses.
Hate to hear even an inkling of a notion that something might be amiss and
events have been staged. I always considered the Ghost Hunters team to be the
most credible of all paranormal shows currently on the air.
And even though she said she never actually saw anything fake or staged ... just
by putting the notion 'out there' really damages the groups credibility. And if
that was her intent ... it possibly worked.
She should have never made a statement like that if she didn't have anything to
prove her claim. Suggesting she was serious and wouldn't tolerate such action
implies that she thinks Jason, Grant, and the rest of the team are not as honest
and credible as her.
The injurious way she pharased it sounds like sour grapes ment to do permanent
damage to the group.
Unfortunately a statement suggesting Ghost Hunters is 'purely an entertainment
show' throws a monkey wrench into the credibility of the group without casting a
shread of evidence to prove or disprove her claim, in a feild of study that by
it's very nature is already hard enough to swallow.

Joe Shingler/Ghosts Of Pompeii




--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, "Ghosts Of Pompeii" <alien8ed46408@...>
wrote:
>
> From masslive.com
>
>
> We've all seen her, we've all loved her, and we've all missed her on the Ghost
Hunters. Now Donna Lacroix, the original case manager from Ghost Hunters and
investigator with Ghost Hunters International, is back and it's not good.
> Making a call-in appearance on the radio show "Ghost Divas," Donna Lacroix let
it all fly with one of the most difficult to listen to diatribes that I've ever
had the displeasure of sitting through. Within a span of 30 minutes, Donna
pulled out all the stops and in between ridiculous rants from the Ghost Divas
she served up the following tidbits:
> - Calling it `shenanigans' and `sh*tty ethics' she commented on the various
shows where it was claimed that the GH team was investigating a place for the
first time, when in fact it had been investigated numerous times by other
paranormal teams.
> - Her contract with GHI, as well as Brian's and Andy's which were the same as
hers, were so bad that the three of them `almost went bankrupt' and that is why
they all left GHI one-by-one, but that she believe Jason and Grant are set for
life due to their producer's rights and portion of the merchandising. She went a
step further to say that she isn't sure if Jason and Grant knew or not, but then
added that they didn't give a sh*t. She added that she, Brian and Andy all had
the same entertainment lawyer that was supposed to be good, but apparently
wasn't.
> Ghost Hunters is a completely entertainment show.
> - Jason and Grant are `the kings' and they had their whipping-boy in Brian and
that she feels that Brian was exploited to the point of mental abuse.
> - Everyone is out to stab you in the back.
> - Rumor has it that there is a staging crew.
> - When asked if she noticed anything being `faked' she replied that she hadn't
but that the team knew how she would react to something like that so they must
have hidden that stuff from her. She then states that there was an instance (she
refused to name the show) when she was a victim of `editing' and that she cried
for 4 days over it and she was lied to and told to `keep your mouth shut.'
> - She repeatedly called the TAPS phenomena a `cult mentality,' that not
everything you see is real, people need to start thinking for themselves, and
that she was expressing anger toward the GH production company when she was
photographed at a paranormal lecture in her GHI hoodie and flipping the bird.
Going a step further she mentioned repeatedly that she was threatened and that
`they have their minions.'
> - She admitted that she `is bitter.' That she has to work all the time because
the show put her in such a financial hole. That she is living with her parents
due to the same financial issues.
> - She repeatedly stated that she is not afraid and that she doesn't care what
people think of her.
> - Switching gears she stated that her experience with the shows was not all
bad. That she made some great connections met some really nice people and was
glad that Ghost Hunters had brought the paranormal discussion into so many
living rooms.
> Jason Hawes had this to say in rebuttal on the website scifake.com:
> - Peoples (sic) views on things are their views, People can say whatever they
want. That is what makes the country great.
> - I was asked not to respond about it directly from Syfy and Pilgrim, They
want to write something up and release it. We have nothing to hide so I am
comfortable with that.
> - I do ask that the fans of GH to not attack her in anyway, and please do not
say negative things about her.
> For a few minutes this was on Jason's Twitter feed but then it was removed:
> - As for those asking if I heard radio thing. A bit. Not concerned at all.
TAPS has never done anything wrong. People can say what they want.
> Donna then responded on scifake.com with the following:
> - I can guess that no one in the cast or anything to do with the show would
place a comment on my Blog to support me. I can guarantee that. That is fine.
But, I know why. They don't want to rock the boat in this field with these
shows. I don't live my life in fear anymore. And I don't need them to comment
(although it would be nice) because I stand behind my beliefs.
> - I wasn't trying to discredit anyone. I was answering questions about MY
experience. I never said anyone faked anything, just that if it did go on, I
wouldn't be privy to any info because everyone knows I take investigating
seriously.
> Thank you all for your support. And I do applaud Jason for coming forward with
a reply. And, please no attacks on Jason, GH, and GHI. I NEVER intended my words
would be on the flame throwing level.
> - (after deleting her Blog on MySpace) I was willing to let my MySpace go in
order to push down the bubbling pot of drama from exploding. I'm not recoiling,
just need to cleanse myself of this and go in a new direction.
> - Please note: I never said I hated or disliked Jason or Grant, I said I was
disappointed things had to change because the new boss in town was the TV show.
> I know, it's a lot to digest and frankly, I'm still trying to digest it all
myself. I have to say though that I keep going back to the statement she made
about "I never said anyone faked anything, just that it if it did go on, I
wouldn't be privy …" To that I can't help but respond that she was deeply
involved in both shows, Ghost Hunters and Ghost Hunters International. How can
you be on camera and not notice if something is `wrong' especially when you are
there SPECIFICALLY to DEBUNK the experiences? Either you weren't a very good
investigator, or there wasn't anything being faked.
> To being left almost bankrupt by the show (as well as Brian and Andy) I say,
while I feel horribly for you, I think there is someone that is more to blame
here than Pilgrim Productions, and that would be the crummy entertainment lawyer
that you all hired. Remember, she said that each of them used the same the
lawyer. OK, so the crummy contract did come from Pilgrim, but they are a
business, and as a business you try to save expenses anywhere that you can. Was
it rotten of them to offer you a bad contract? Yes. Did you have to sign it? No.
Should your lawyer have advised you against it? Yes. But the fact of the matter
is, you did sign it after your lawyer said it was ok. Ipso Facto, blame your
lawyer, not Pilgrim. In fact, I'd go a step further and say that you did
everyone a disservice with this bit of information. How about naming that crummy
lawyer so no one else gets caught in the same situation instead of taking your
anger and bitterness out on Pilgrim?
> As you can probably tell, I'm leaning toward Donna being that typical
disgruntled former employee. I can understand that she is hurt and angry, as
proven by her comment about `And I don't need them to comment (although it would
be nice),' she seems to be looking for some backup from her former cast-mates
for a raw deal that she was handed, but to open the show up to questions of
fakery, when in her own words she admits she never SAW anything being faked is
just wrong, spiteful and totally uncalled for.
>
> Follow-up Story
>
> So. I thought we were all done with the Donna LaCroix interview that has the
paranormal community all abuzz with the implications of what she had to say on
the Ghost Divas radio show. Unfortunately, the story continues. Upon checking my
email this morning I received an email from Ron Tebo of Scifake.com stating
that, and I quote, "Folks after careful consideration (and at Donna's request)
we have decided to delete all articles and comments in regards to this botched
situation brought on by two self absorbing bowwows with one agenda … humiliating
others." The email continues to state that "Donna's health is deteriorating due
to this colossal disorder brought on by three uncaring and selfish misfits.
> I have a few things to say about these new developments and then I'm going to
be (hopefully) done with this whole mess.
> 1. The overt hatred that the Ghost Divas and Ron Tebo have for each other is
staggering. I find it hard to consider either group as `professionals' when
their emails, comments and articles are filled with name-calling cheap shots.
Grow up. Please. All of you.
> 2. The very thought of Scifake.com removing the articles at the request of
Donna is abhorrent to any journalist. You did a complete disservice to all
members of the media by caving in to her (or anyone's) request.
> 3. You stated in your email "This is not about "getting the story", this is
about allowing a person to heal and enjoy her privacy." I'm sorry, but no it's
not. It is about the story. It's about the entire story -- Not about `half the
story' which is what we now have because you deleted your reports about the
story.
> 4. Ron Tebo's email goes on to state "Donna's health is deteriorating due to
this colossal disorder brought on by three uncaring and selfish misfits. " I beg
to differ; Donna's health is deteriorating due to what she said on a radio
interview, the Ghost Divas just happen to be the hosts of the show that she said
this stuff on. This goes back to taking responsibility for your own words and
actions. I'm very sorry Donna is ill and I hope she is better very soon but
blaming others for giving her a venue to speak does not give anyone the right to
blame the delivery boy because they are now sick over the contents of the
message that they sent.
> To get back to the original story here, Donna is continuing to back pedal on a
lot of the things she said in the interview, saying that the facts were
`misinterpreted.' To that I say, it happens, everything is open to
interpretation, but at the same time when you repeatedly and deliberately stated
"They screwed us over." I'm not sure how one can misinterpret your feelings on
the subject.
> So, in the end, I still go back to the `disgruntled former employee' option
when it comes to what Donna had to say. I sincerely believe that she regrets a
lot of what she said, and to be fair, there isn't a man, woman or child alive,
including myself, that hasn't said something that they regret, but it does not
change the fact that they did indeed say it. Most of us in this situation
however, did not have radio show recording our every word, but by the same
token, most of us are smart enough to not say the inflammatory stuff that Donna
said when we are indeed being recorded.
> In closing, I'd like to ask that everyone just take a step back, leave their
personal feelings out of the situation, stop the vendettas and the juvenile
name-calling and the excuses and the `blame game,' and lets all get back to
normal. I honestly hope that this is the end of this disturbing turn of events;
however, I will not promise to hide, delete or cover-up any further information
that I receive on this story. At this point I am done with the sensationalistic
Ghost Divas and the non-professional behavior of Ron Tebo and Scifake.com, but
if Donna, the Ghost Hunters or Pilgrim Productions would like to comment, I'd be
happy to give you the venue to do so. Otherwise, enough said. I look forward to
getting back to reviewing this week's episode of the Ghost Hunters and Ghost
Hunters Academy. I'll see you back here after the shows.
>

Sure is-



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From: Thomas Quimby <thomas_quimby@...>
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 5:52 pm
Subject: Re: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
III


It`s a good story though
--- On Sat, 11/21/09, jlinendoll@... <jlinendoll@...> wrote:
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ubject: Re: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
II
o: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
ate: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 5:48 PM












Yeah, that was a legend-none of them were at Bela's wake or funeral. According
o both families, nether Boris nor Bela hated each other. I personally think
ela may have resented Boris getting better roles, but I don't think they had
nything really personal against each other-
Jack

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From: Thomas Quimby <thomas_quimby@ yahoo.com>
To: CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
II

Bela Lugosi created Count Dracula on stage and took it to the movies. If Bela
ugosi hated Dracula so much why was he buried in the Dracula costume. Legend
as it that Peter Lorre, and Vincent Price went to Lugosi`s funeral together
eter Lorre said to Vincent Price " maybe we should drive a stake through his
eart just to be sure". I also understand that Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff
ated each other.
--- On Sat, 11/21/09, fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@ hotmail.com> wrote:
From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@ hotmail.com>
ubject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III
o: CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com
ate: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 11:50 AM

--- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@. .. wrote:
>
>
>
>
> "I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count
> racula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it


s brought to your career as an actor?"
>
> Apparently since the bulk of (or only) work he was getting was as the
bogieman" in horror films, he grew to accept it since it brought him the only
ork he was being offered.
> Jack
>
> i don't think he ever accepted it.In this economy,many people are doing jobs
hey don't want to do,but do them to keep a roof over their heads,and butter on
heir biscuit.many have families,and they need a job to support them.However,
hen we get over this slump,and the job prospects are looking better,you may be
earing people plunking quarters in the jukebox to play JOHNY PAYCHECKS TAKE
HIS JOB AND SHOVE IT.
People will do what they have to do in order to survive,but that is different if

u are taking whatever job you can,when there are other opportunities
vailable,and you won't take the necesarry steps to try and secure those more
ositive leads.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@ ...>
> To: CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 2:37 pm
> Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
II
>
>
>
> --- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@ wrote:
>
>
>  Duke was Duke no matter WHAT role had. Bela's mistake was going for the money


itially when he first became famous. He took every role offered him-pretty
> uch all horror/mystery characters. He only played Dracula twice in films, a
> ampire in 5 (if you count My Son The Vampire, Mark of the Vampire, and of
> ourse Return of the Vampire along with the 2 Dracs). Same situation as with
> ayne.  Duke was told early in the 1950s-when complained to Harry Carey's widow


at all he was offered was "tough guy" roles, she told him that that's what
he
> ublic wanted to see him in and he should be happy to be type-cast in that
> mage. That changed his mind. Bela wasn't happy
>  with being type cast in the "vampire" image but grew to accept it when that's


l that was offered him.
>
>
> I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count
> racula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it


s brought to your career as an actor?
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Michael O'Brien <Ironbutt6@>
>  To: creaturefeatures@ yahoogroups. com
>  Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:42 am
>  Subject: RE: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE
> XORCIST III
>
>
>
>  ohn Wayne was typcast as a "tough guy," which opened him to all kinds of
> oles.
>  e stared in cop movies, westerns, war movies, and in a whole slew of others
>  hat needed a "tough guy" character.  He was even a Roman Centurian in "The
>  reatest Story Ever Told."  His line was, "Truely this man was the  Son of
> od."
>  t was a very short part, but he was in it never the less.   John  Wayne was
n
> > ll kinds of films, as was Clint Eastwood, Paul Newman and Charles Bronson.
> ll
>  f them played "tough guy" rolls.  Any kind of generalization typcasting can
e
> >  good thing.  But Bela Lugosi was typcast not as a general type of a
> haracter,
>  ut as Count Draculs. Christopher Reeves was type cast as Superman, and
>  ohnathin Frid, was typecast as Barnabass Collins.
>
>  eing typecast as a certain kind of a person and being typcast as a specific
>  erson makes a huge difference.
>
>  ike
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It`s a good story though

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Subject: Re: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
III
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 5:48 PM







 













Yeah, that was a legend-none of them were at Bela's wake or funeral. According
to both families, nether Boris nor Bela hated each other. I personally think
Bela may have resented Boris getting better roles, but I don't think they had
anything really personal against each other-

Jack



-----Original Message-----

From: Thomas Quimby <thomas_quimby@ yahoo.com>

To: CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 4:08 pm

Subject: Re: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
III



Bela Lugosi created Count Dracula on stage and took it to the movies. If Bela

ugosi hated Dracula so much why was he buried in the Dracula costume. Legend

as it that Peter Lorre, and Vincent Price went to Lugosi`s funeral together

eter Lorre said to Vincent Price " maybe we should drive a stake through his

eart just to be sure". I also understand that Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff

ated each other.

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@ hotmail.com>

ubject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III

o: CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com

ate: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 11:50 AM



--- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@. .. wrote:

>

>

>

>

> "I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count

> racula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it



as brought to your career as an actor?"

>

> Apparently since the bulk of (or only) work he was getting was as the

bogieman" in horror films, he grew to accept it since it brought him the only

ork he was being offered.

> Jack

>

> i don't think he ever accepted it.In this economy,many people are doing jobs

hey don't want to do,but do them to keep a roof over their heads,and butter on

heir biscuit.many have families,and they need a job to support them.However,

hen we get over this slump,and the job prospects are looking better,you may be

earing people plunking quarters in the jukebox to play JOHNY PAYCHECKS TAKE

HIS JOB AND SHOVE IT.

People will do what they have to do in order to survive,but that is different if

ou are taking whatever job you can,when there are other opportunities

vailable,and you won't take the necesarry steps to try and secure those more

ositive leads.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@ ...>

> To: CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 2:37 pm

> Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST

II

>

>

>

> --- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@ wrote:

>

>

>  Duke was Duke no matter WHAT role had. Bela's mistake was going for the money



nitially when he first became famous. He took every role offered him-pretty

> uch all horror/mystery characters. He only played Dracula twice in films, a

> ampire in 5 (if you count My Son The Vampire, Mark of the Vampire, and of

> ourse Return of the Vampire along with the 2 Dracs). Same situation as with

> ayne.  Duke was told early in the 1950s-when complained to Harry Carey's widow



hat all he was offered was "tough guy" roles, she told him that that's what

he

> ublic wanted to see him in and he should be happy to be type-cast in that

> mage. That changed his mind. Bela wasn't happy

>  with being type cast in the "vampire" image but grew to accept it when that's



ll that was offered him.

>

>

> I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count

> racula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it



as brought to your career as an actor?

>

>

>  -----Original Message-----

>  From: Michael O'Brien <Ironbutt6@>

>  To: creaturefeatures@ yahoogroups. com

>  Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:42 am

>  Subject: RE: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE

> XORCIST III

>

>

>

>  ohn Wayne was typcast as a "tough guy," which opened him to all kinds of

> oles.

>  e stared in cop movies, westerns, war movies, and in a whole slew of others

>  hat needed a "tough guy" character.  He was even a Roman Centurian in "The

>  reatest Story Ever Told."  His line was, "Truely this man was the  Son of

> od."

>  t was a very short part, but he was in it never the less.   John  Wayne was

n

> > ll kinds of films, as was Clint Eastwood, Paul Newman and Charles Bronson.

> ll

>  f them played "tough guy" rolls.  Any kind of generalization typcasting can

e

> >  good thing.  But Bela Lugosi was typcast not as a general type of a

> haracter,

>  ut as Count Draculs. Christopher Reeves was type cast as Superman, and

>  ohnathin Frid, was typecast as Barnabass Collins.

>

>  eing typecast as a certain kind of a person and being typcast as a specific

>  erson makes a huge difference.

>

>  ike

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Yeah, that was a legend-none of them were at Bela's wake or funeral. According
to both families, nether Boris nor Bela hated each other. I personally think
Bela may have resented Boris getting better roles, but I don't think they had
anything really personal against each other-
Jack


-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Quimby <thomas_quimby@...>
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
III


Bela Lugosi created Count Dracula on stage and took it to the movies. If Bela
ugosi hated Dracula so much why was he buried in the Dracula costume. Legend
as it that Peter Lorre, and Vincent Price went to Lugosi`s funeral together
eter Lorre said to Vincent Price " maybe we should drive a stake through his
eart just to be sure". I also understand that Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff
ated each other.
--- On Sat, 11/21/09, fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@...> wrote:
From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@...>
ubject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III
o: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
ate: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 11:50 AM












--- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@. .. wrote:
>
>
>
>
> "I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count
> racula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it

  as brought to your career as an actor?"
>
> Apparently since the bulk of (or only) work he was getting was as the
bogieman" in horror films, he grew to accept it since it brought him the only
ork he was being offered.
> Jack
>
> i don't think he ever accepted it.In this economy,many people are doing jobs
hey don't want to do,but do them to keep a roof over their heads,and butter on
heir biscuit.many have families,and they need a job to support them.However,
hen we get over this slump,and the job prospects are looking better,you may be
earing people plunking quarters in the jukebox to play JOHNY PAYCHECKS TAKE
HIS JOB AND SHOVE IT.
People will do what they have to do in order to survive,but that is different if
ou are taking whatever job you can,when there are other opportunities
vailable,and you won't take the necesarry steps to try and secure those more
ositive leads.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@ ...>
> To: CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 2:37 pm
> Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
II
>
>
>
> --- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@ wrote:
>
>
>  Duke was Duke no matter WHAT role had. Bela's mistake was going for the money

  nitially when he first became famous. He took every role offered him-pretty
> uch all horror/mystery characters. He only played Dracula twice in films, a
> ampire in 5 (if you count My Son The Vampire, Mark of the Vampire, and of
> ourse Return of the Vampire along with the 2 Dracs). Same situation as with
> ayne.  Duke was told early in the 1950s-when complained to Harry Carey's widow

  hat all he was offered was "tough guy" roles, she told him that that's what
he
> ublic wanted to see him in and he should be happy to be type-cast in that
> mage. That changed his mind. Bela wasn't happy
>  with being type cast in the "vampire" image but grew to accept it when that's

  ll that was offered him.
>
>
> I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count
> racula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it

  as brought to your career as an actor?
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Michael O'Brien <Ironbutt6@>
>  To: creaturefeatures@ yahoogroups. com
>  Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:42 am
>  Subject: RE: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE
> XORCIST III
>
>
>
>  ohn Wayne was typcast as a "tough guy," which opened him to all kinds of
> oles.
>  e stared in cop movies, westerns, war movies, and in a whole slew of others
>  hat needed a "tough guy" character.  He was even a Roman Centurian in "The
>  reatest Story Ever Told."  His line was, "Truely this man was the  Son of
> od."
>  t was a very short part, but he was in it never the less.   John  Wayne was
n
> > ll kinds of films, as was Clint Eastwood, Paul Newman and Charles Bronson.
> ll
>  f them played "tough guy" rolls.  Any kind of generalization typcasting can
e
> >  good thing.  But Bela Lugosi was typcast not as a general type of a
> haracter,
>  ut as Count Draculs. Christopher Reeves was type cast as Superman, and
>  ohnathin Frid, was typecast as Barnabass Collins.
>
>  eing typecast as a certain kind of a person and being typcast as a specific
>  erson makes a huge difference.
>
>  ike
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I don`t think Al Lewis minded being called Grampa he opened a restaurant called
Grampa`s. It was Butch Patrick who had a problem with The Munsters

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@...> wrote:

From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@...>
Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:29 PM







 













--- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@. .. wrote:

>

>

>

>

> "i don't think he ever accepted it.In this economy,many people are doing jobs

> hey don't want to do,but do them to keep a roof over their heads,and butter on

> heir biscuit."

>

>

> I think he DID revel in the rep of being the spooky guy. He often kidded
waitresses and fans, acting like Dracula or just being scary acting around them.
From snippets of films taken at blood drives and personal appearances, he seemed
to be enjoying himself. I'm sure he would MUCH rather have been doing more
mainstream work, but I think he accepted, and to an extent, enjoyed his image.

> Jack

>

>  I can't speak for BELA LUGOSI and his family,but it appeared to me more like
the song by SMOKEY ROBINSON-"The tears of a clown,when there's no one around."
Have you heard the old joke-"It's good to see you."

"Good to be seen".For many actors just doing any role,even if it were repetitive
was good enough to get out of bed in the morning.The actor who played Grandpa on
THE MUNSTERS would still get greeted decades after the MUNSTERS went off of the
air as "Grandpa".

However,when you are being hired to parody yourself,time and time again,it's
obvious that this is the image everyone knows you as and will only remember you
as,well,atlest Hollywood.

>

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--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, jlinendoll@... wrote:
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>
>
>
>

>
>
>
>
>
>  Unfortunately with a young family to support, and extravagant taste, he was
always short of cash and had to keep working-
>



It could have attributed to his being typecasted but actors make their
choices.Like choosing a college and a career before marriage,many actors have
chosen to stay single and make their acting careeers their spouses until later.



>
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>

--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, Mike D <omegaman7@...> wrote:
>
>
> Fullmoonrising, about John Wayne,  while perhaps not exactally a Nazi
character per se,  the Duke did play a WWII German freighter captain in 'The Sea
Chase'.  Of course he was still the same old John Wayne wearing a different
uniform.  Or perhaps all WWII German captains had to be Nazis so he was
technically one too in that film?  Beats me if they all had to be in the Nazi
party to be Captains.  I don't know, but I suspect not.  You mentioned "Imagine
the Duke Playing a Nazi"  so I thought you might be interested in that bit of
trivia.
>
> Can't think of  Wayne ever playing a mad scientist well.  At least Bogey
played one in 'The Return of Dr. X'.  And, in spite of his critics, I always
thought he was good in the role.
>
> IMO the roles that showed Wayne's  acting ability best were 'Red River', 'Rio
Grande', 'The Quiet Man' and 'True Grit'.
>
> Like Lugosi, Wayne was type cast into a certain genre (tough guys) and he
excelled there.
>
> M.D.
>

From FULL  LOON  RISING.
thanks.i did not know of THE DUKE playing a Captain on a German Freighter.I
think JOHN WAYNE was very happy where he was in acting.I never heard otherwise
from his son,MICHAEL or from others who knew him.I did hear ROBERT MITCHUM
making fun of how he...allegedly..wore lifts in his boots?....I think JOHN WAYNE
recieved an oscar for TRUE GRIT,and if you remember seeing the oscars,was he
crying when recieving it?or was that my imagination?WHAT,THE DUKE CRYING?THERES
NO CRYING IN RECIEVING AN OSCAR AT THE ACADEMY AWARDS!



> "I looked up at the night sky, gazing at the stars and i wondered......Where
the hell is my ceiling?! "
>
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Jim Varney created the Ernest character for commercials, and it became a big
cash cow, don`t knock that. I don`t recall Jim Varney complaining. 

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...> wrote:

From: Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...>
Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Typecasting (was: Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night -
THE EXORCIST III)
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:45 PM







 









       I know. While Bela did move on to other roles, he never seemed to get past

the horror field and "Dracula" is how he'll always be remembered. But being

typecast also happened to Jim Varny. (Hey Vern! It's Earnest!) He was a

Shakespearean actor too. Then he got caught up in the "Earnest" role and

that's how he'll always be remembered. It's unfortunate in some ways but it

does mean that they have a legacy of sorts to leave behind them.



Thankfully, actors are branching out these days so they have a chance to do

more things. Tom Welling ("Smallville" and the remake of "The Fog") comes to

mind with that. He's actually gotten into producing also so he's really

getting out there in different areas.



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Time may heal all wounds but the scars remain forever.



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From: Michael O'Brien



Katrina, typcasting is what killed Bela Lugosi.  He will allways be

remembered as the archatypical Count Dracula, and we will all know and love

him, but other then the horror genre, you don't see much of him at all.  It

s really too bad, because he was quite a talented actor.



Johnathin Frid is also the victim of typcasting.  Most people will

imediately think Barnabass Collins as soon as they hear that name.  He's a

brilliant Shakespearian actor, who's portrayed many roles on the stage.  It

s really a shame, but typecasting is a career killer.



Mike



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Are you forgetting WW 2. John Wayne became a household name during WW2. John
Wayne got his start as prop man on a movie set. I heard some where that he
worked as a stunt man, but IMDB doesn`t mention this. He has 171 movie  credits
dating back to 1926. John Wayne also worked in radio.

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...> wrote:

From: Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...>
Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:48 PM







 









       Actually, he wasn't typecast. Granted, he did play cowboys for the most
part

but he did move on to other roles that helped his career. The movies "The

Green Berets" and "The Quiet Man" are two that I can think of that showed

his talent beyond westerns.



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The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

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Time may heal all wounds but the scars remain forever.



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From: jlinendoll@aol. com







" It's really a

hame, but typecasting is a career killer."





Not always tho-one name John Wayne!



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From masslive.com


We've all seen her, we've all loved her, and we've all missed her on the Ghost
Hunters. Now Donna Lacroix, the original case manager from Ghost Hunters and
investigator with Ghost Hunters International, is back and it's not good.
Making a call-in appearance on the radio show "Ghost Divas," Donna Lacroix let
it all fly with one of the most difficult to listen to diatribes that I've ever
had the displeasure of sitting through. Within a span of 30 minutes, Donna
pulled out all the stops and in between ridiculous rants from the Ghost Divas
she served up the following tidbits:
- Calling it `shenanigans' and `sh*tty ethics' she commented on the various
shows where it was claimed that the GH team was investigating a place for the
first time, when in fact it had been investigated numerous times by other
paranormal teams.
- Her contract with GHI, as well as Brian's and Andy's which were the same as
hers, were so bad that the three of them `almost went bankrupt' and that is why
they all left GHI one-by-one, but that she believe Jason and Grant are set for
life due to their producer's rights and portion of the merchandising. She went a
step further to say that she isn't sure if Jason and Grant knew or not, but then
added that they didn't give a sh*t. She added that she, Brian and Andy all had
the same entertainment lawyer that was supposed to be good, but apparently
wasn't.
Ghost Hunters is a completely entertainment show.
- Jason and Grant are `the kings' and they had their whipping-boy in Brian and
that she feels that Brian was exploited to the point of mental abuse.
- Everyone is out to stab you in the back.
- Rumor has it that there is a staging crew.
- When asked if she noticed anything being `faked' she replied that she hadn't
but that the team knew how she would react to something like that so they must
have hidden that stuff from her. She then states that there was an instance (she
refused to name the show) when she was a victim of `editing' and that she cried
for 4 days over it and she was lied to and told to `keep your mouth shut.'
- She repeatedly called the TAPS phenomena a `cult mentality,' that not
everything you see is real, people need to start thinking for themselves, and
that she was expressing anger toward the GH production company when she was
photographed at a paranormal lecture in her GHI hoodie and flipping the bird.
Going a step further she mentioned repeatedly that she was threatened and that
`they have their minions.'
- She admitted that she `is bitter.' That she has to work all the time because
the show put her in such a financial hole. That she is living with her parents
due to the same financial issues.
- She repeatedly stated that she is not afraid and that she doesn't care what
people think of her.
- Switching gears she stated that her experience with the shows was not all bad.
That she made some great connections met some really nice people and was glad
that Ghost Hunters had brought the paranormal discussion into so many living
rooms.
Jason Hawes had this to say in rebuttal on the website scifake.com:
- Peoples (sic) views on things are their views, People can say whatever they
want. That is what makes the country great.
- I was asked not to respond about it directly from Syfy and Pilgrim, They want
to write something up and release it. We have nothing to hide so I am
comfortable with that.
- I do ask that the fans of GH to not attack her in anyway, and please do not
say negative things about her.
For a few minutes this was on Jason's Twitter feed but then it was removed:
- As for those asking if I heard radio thing. A bit. Not concerned at all. TAPS
has never done anything wrong. People can say what they want.
Donna then responded on scifake.com with the following:
- I can guess that no one in the cast or anything to do with the show would
place a comment on my Blog to support me. I can guarantee that. That is fine.
But, I know why. They don't want to rock the boat in this field with these
shows. I don't live my life in fear anymore. And I don't need them to comment
(although it would be nice) because I stand behind my beliefs.
- I wasn't trying to discredit anyone. I was answering questions about MY
experience. I never said anyone faked anything, just that if it did go on, I
wouldn't be privy to any info because everyone knows I take investigating
seriously.
Thank you all for your support. And I do applaud Jason for coming forward with a
reply. And, please no attacks on Jason, GH, and GHI. I NEVER intended my words
would be on the flame throwing level.
- (after deleting her Blog on MySpace) I was willing to let my MySpace go in
order to push down the bubbling pot of drama from exploding. I'm not recoiling,
just need to cleanse myself of this and go in a new direction.
- Please note: I never said I hated or disliked Jason or Grant, I said I was
disappointed things had to change because the new boss in town was the TV show.
I know, it's a lot to digest and frankly, I'm still trying to digest it all
myself. I have to say though that I keep going back to the statement she made
about "I never said anyone faked anything, just that it if it did go on, I
wouldn't be privy …" To that I can't help but respond that she was deeply
involved in both shows, Ghost Hunters and Ghost Hunters International. How can
you be on camera and not notice if something is `wrong' especially when you are
there SPECIFICALLY to DEBUNK the experiences? Either you weren't a very good
investigator, or there wasn't anything being faked.
To being left almost bankrupt by the show (as well as Brian and Andy) I say,
while I feel horribly for you, I think there is someone that is more to blame
here than Pilgrim Productions, and that would be the crummy entertainment lawyer
that you all hired. Remember, she said that each of them used the same the
lawyer. OK, so the crummy contract did come from Pilgrim, but they are a
business, and as a business you try to save expenses anywhere that you can. Was
it rotten of them to offer you a bad contract? Yes. Did you have to sign it? No.
Should your lawyer have advised you against it? Yes. But the fact of the matter
is, you did sign it after your lawyer said it was ok. Ipso Facto, blame your
lawyer, not Pilgrim. In fact, I'd go a step further and say that you did
everyone a disservice with this bit of information. How about naming that crummy
lawyer so no one else gets caught in the same situation instead of taking your
anger and bitterness out on Pilgrim?
As you can probably tell, I'm leaning toward Donna being that typical
disgruntled former employee. I can understand that she is hurt and angry, as
proven by her comment about `And I don't need them to comment (although it would
be nice),' she seems to be looking for some backup from her former cast-mates
for a raw deal that she was handed, but to open the show up to questions of
fakery, when in her own words she admits she never SAW anything being faked is
just wrong, spiteful and totally uncalled for.

Follow-up Story

So. I thought we were all done with the Donna LaCroix interview that has the
paranormal community all abuzz with the implications of what she had to say on
the Ghost Divas radio show. Unfortunately, the story continues. Upon checking my
email this morning I received an email from Ron Tebo of Scifake.com stating
that, and I quote, "Folks after careful consideration (and at Donna's request)
we have decided to delete all articles and comments in regards to this botched
situation brought on by two self absorbing bowwows with one agenda … humiliating
others." The email continues to state that "Donna's health is deteriorating due
to this colossal disorder brought on by three uncaring and selfish misfits.
I have a few things to say about these new developments and then I'm going to be
(hopefully) done with this whole mess.
1. The overt hatred that the Ghost Divas and Ron Tebo have for each other is
staggering. I find it hard to consider either group as `professionals' when
their emails, comments and articles are filled with name-calling cheap shots.
Grow up. Please. All of you.
2. The very thought of Scifake.com removing the articles at the request of Donna
is abhorrent to any journalist. You did a complete disservice to all members of
the media by caving in to her (or anyone's) request.
3. You stated in your email "This is not about "getting the story", this is
about allowing a person to heal and enjoy her privacy." I'm sorry, but no it's
not. It is about the story. It's about the entire story -- Not about `half the
story' which is what we now have because you deleted your reports about the
story.
4. Ron Tebo's email goes on to state "Donna's health is deteriorating due to
this colossal disorder brought on by three uncaring and selfish misfits. " I beg
to differ; Donna's health is deteriorating due to what she said on a radio
interview, the Ghost Divas just happen to be the hosts of the show that she said
this stuff on. This goes back to taking responsibility for your own words and
actions. I'm very sorry Donna is ill and I hope she is better very soon but
blaming others for giving her a venue to speak does not give anyone the right to
blame the delivery boy because they are now sick over the contents of the
message that they sent.
To get back to the original story here, Donna is continuing to back pedal on a
lot of the things she said in the interview, saying that the facts were
`misinterpreted.' To that I say, it happens, everything is open to
interpretation, but at the same time when you repeatedly and deliberately stated
"They screwed us over." I'm not sure how one can misinterpret your feelings on
the subject.
So, in the end, I still go back to the `disgruntled former employee' option when
it comes to what Donna had to say. I sincerely believe that she regrets a lot of
what she said, and to be fair, there isn't a man, woman or child alive,
including myself, that hasn't said something that they regret, but it does not
change the fact that they did indeed say it. Most of us in this situation
however, did not have radio show recording our every word, but by the same
token, most of us are smart enough to not say the inflammatory stuff that Donna
said when we are indeed being recorded.
In closing, I'd like to ask that everyone just take a step back, leave their
personal feelings out of the situation, stop the vendettas and the juvenile
name-calling and the excuses and the `blame game,' and lets all get back to
normal. I honestly hope that this is the end of this disturbing turn of events;
however, I will not promise to hide, delete or cover-up any further information
that I receive on this story. At this point I am done with the sensationalistic
Ghost Divas and the non-professional behavior of Ron Tebo and Scifake.com, but
if Donna, the Ghost Hunters or Pilgrim Productions would like to comment, I'd be
happy to give you the venue to do so. Otherwise, enough said. I look forward to
getting back to reviewing this week's episode of the Ghost Hunters and Ghost
Hunters Academy. I'll see you back here after the shows.

--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, jlinendoll@... wrote:
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>
>
>
> "i don't think he ever accepted it.In this economy,many people are doing jobs
> hey don't want to do,but do them to keep a roof over their heads,and butter on
> heir biscuit."
>
>
> I think he DID revel in the rep of being the spooky guy. He often kidded
waitresses and fans, acting like Dracula or just being scary acting around them.
From snippets of films taken at blood drives and personal appearances, he seemed
to be enjoying himself. I'm sure he would MUCH rather have been doing more
mainstream work, but I think he accepted, and to an extent, enjoyed his image.
> Jack
>
>  I can't speak for BELA LUGOSI and his family,but it appeared to me more like
the song by SMOKEY ROBINSON-"The tears of a clown,when there's no one around."
Have you heard the old joke-"It's good to see you."
"Good to be seen".For many actors just doing any role,even if it were repetitive
was good enough to get out of bed in the morning.The actor who played Grandpa on
THE MUNSTERS would still get greeted decades after the MUNSTERS went off of the
air as "Grandpa".
However,when you are being hired to parody yourself,time and time again,it's
obvious that this is the image everyone knows you as and will only remember you
as,well,atlest Hollywood.
>
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William Shatner has 195 acting credits dating back to 1951 on IMDB, but that
doesn`t include stage or commercial work, he also has a horror/comedy movie and
a Sci Fi movie coming out. The Sci Fi is animated. Sean Connery has 90 acting
credits dating back to 1954. Mark Hamill has 208 acting credits dating back to
1970. Last week I saw an episode of The Streets of San Francisco from the early
70s with Hamill he played the teen age drug addict  son of a cop. Some actors
are one trick ponies, they may have 1 or 2 good parts in them.

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...> wrote:

From: Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...>
Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:56 PM







 









       To be fair, some of them will be best known for the roles that made them

famous but they did move beyond them and made themselves over in other roles

  Shatner in "T.J. Hooker" and "Boston Legal" for two, Sean Connery in

Highlander", Mark Hamill in several projects (the voices of the Joker in the

animated "Batman" series and "Hobgoblin" in "Spider-man" being just two of

them).



Still some were never able to get past the main roles they had as I

mentioned in my other posting. And that's sad in some ways.



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The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Mahatma Gandhi



Time may heal all wounds but the scars remain forever.



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From: Kevin





...It's the same way with William Shatner & Leonard Nimoy & others like Sean

Connery, Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Boris Karloff, Lon Chaney Jr. Walter

Koenig, George Takei, Nichelle Nichols & remember Johnny Weissmuller?   The

list goes on & on!

                                                  Aquanoid21



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Bela Lugosi created Count Dracula on stage and took it to the movies. If Bela
Lugosi hated Dracula so much why was he buried in the Dracula costume. Legend
has it that Peter Lorre, and Vincent Price went to Lugosi`s funeral together 
Peter Lorre said to Vincent Price " maybe we should drive a stake through his
heart just to be sure". I also understand that Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff
hated each other.

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@...> wrote:

From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@...>
Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 11:50 AM







 













--- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@. .. wrote:

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>

>

>

> "I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count

> racula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it

> as brought to your career as an actor?"

>

> Apparently since the bulk of (or only) work he was getting was as the
"bogieman" in horror films, he grew to accept it since it brought him the only
work he was being offered.

> Jack

>

> i don't think he ever accepted it.In this economy,many people are doing jobs
they don't want to do,but do them to keep a roof over their heads,and butter on
their biscuit.many have families,and they need a job to support them.However,
when we get over this slump,and the job prospects are looking better,you may be
hearing people plunking quarters in the jukebox to play JOHNY PAYCHECKS TAKE
THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT.

People will do what they have to do in order to survive,but that is different if
you are taking whatever job you can,when there are other opportunities
available,and you won't take the necesarry steps to try and secure those more
positive leads.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: fullloonrising <rwkempokittykicks@ ...>

> To: CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 2:37 pm

> Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST
III

>

>

>

> --- In CreatureFeatures@ yahoogroups. com, jlinendoll@ wrote:

>

>

>  Duke was Duke no matter WHAT role had. Bela's mistake was going for the money

> nitially when he first became famous. He took every role offered him-pretty

> uch all horror/mystery characters. He only played Dracula twice in films, a

> ampire in 5 (if you count My Son The Vampire, Mark of the Vampire, and of

> ourse Return of the Vampire along with the 2 Dracs). Same situation as with

> ayne.  Duke was told early in the 1950s-when complained to Harry Carey's widow

> hat all he was offered was "tough guy" roles, she told him that that's what
the

> ublic wanted to see him in and he should be happy to be type-cast in that

> mage. That changed his mind. Bela wasn't happy

>  with being type cast in the "vampire" image but grew to accept it when that's

> ll that was offered him.

>

>

> I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count

> racula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it

> as brought to your career as an actor?

>

>

>  -----Original Message-----

>  From: Michael O'Brien <Ironbutt6@>

>  To: creaturefeatures@ yahoogroups. com

>  Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:42 am

>  Subject: RE: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE

> XORCIST III

>

>

>

>  ohn Wayne was typcast as a "tough guy," which opened him to all kinds of

> oles.

>  e stared in cop movies, westerns, war movies, and in a whole slew of others

>  hat needed a "tough guy" character.  He was even a Roman Centurian in "The

>  reatest Story Ever Told."  His line was, "Truely this man was the  Son of

> od."

>  t was a very short part, but he was in it never the less.   John  Wayne was
in

> > ll kinds of films, as was Clint Eastwood, Paul Newman and Charles Bronson.

> ll

>  f them played "tough guy" rolls.  Any kind of generalization typcasting can
be

> >  good thing.  But Bela Lugosi was typcast not as a general type of a

> haracter,

>  ut as Count Draculs. Christopher Reeves was type cast as Superman, and

>  ohnathin Frid, was typecast as Barnabass Collins.

>

>  eing typecast as a certain kind of a person and being typcast as a specific

>  erson makes a huge difference.

>

>  ike

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Johnathan Frid only has 4 credits in IMDB. I believe he did a lot of stage work.

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...> wrote:

From: Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...>
Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 11:04 PM







 









       You make a good point too Mike. It the role that will stop you and not the

type of character that does it.







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The heart has wings when one finds true love or true friends. Let it fly!





I am who and what I am. I can be nothing else.





Human beings can always be relied upon to assert, with vigor, their

God-given right to be stupid.


Dean Koontz-Seize the Night





I see dead people. (by appointment only)








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From: Michael O'Brien





John Wayne was typcast as a "tough guy," which opened him to all kinds of

roles.  He stared in cop movies, westerns, war movies, and in a whole slew

of others that needed a "tough guy" character.  He was even a Roman

Centurian in "The Greatest Story Ever Told."  His line was, "Truely this man

was the  Son of God."  It was a very short part, but he was in it never the

less.   John  Wayne was in all kinds of films, as was Clint Eastwood, Paul

Newman and Charles Bronson.  All of them played "tough guy" rolls.  Any kind

of generalization typcasting can be a good thing.  But Bela Lugosi was

typcast not as a general type of a character, but as Count Draculs.

Christopher Reeves was type cast as Superman, and Johnathin Frid, was

typecast as Barnabass Collins.





Being typecast as a certain kind of a person and being typcast as a specific

person makes a huge difference.





Mike



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Most actors get typecast because they are good at certain roles, some actors
don`t mind being typecast because at least they are able to get jobs. There are
actors that have to go into other professions because they rock the boat or they
weren`t good actors after all. Willie Ames had to give up acting and became a
financial consultant, I guess Bibleman didn`t work out. Christopher Reeves
wasn`t really that good of an actor to begin with.  Johnny Depp`s first acting
job was Nightmare On Elm Street, It was 21 Jump Street that made him a star. 
Johnny Depp has 6 movies coming out next year, and 14 in development. It doesn`t
hurt to be voted the sexiest man alive. Actors like Bela Lugosi, Lon Chaney Jr.,
and Vincent Price did a lot of horror movies, but were they really typecast ?
Vincent Price didn`t mind making fun of his reputation as a horror movie star,
in the movie Beach Party he played an aging beatnik names Big Daddy, and his
only line was " The
  Pit and the Pendulum Kiddies".

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...> wrote:

From: Katrina <katrina.ragozy@...>
Subject: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE EXORCIST III
To: CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 11:01 PM







 









       Well said Joe. I think you're right. It seems that if they're willing to

take a few risks, then they can branch out in several directions.



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The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

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From: Ghosts Of Pompeii



What killed Bela Lugosi isn't so much being typecast - but being somewhat

limited as an actor. I hear many disgruntled actors complaining about the

direction their career took as a result of being successful in one specific

role ... but they're success never translated beyond that one role.

If they possessed outstanding acting skills the transition of getting into

the skin of a new character for an audition would be second nature.

Sean Connery didn't allow his success as James Bond to kill any future

career moves. For that matter it wasn't until years later that he actually

won an Oscar for his performance in "The Untouchables" - a role light years

from his James Bond character.

Christopher Reeve was famous for his role as Superman, but it was his acting

chops that made it possible for his to take on a romantic lead in the time

travel fantasy "Somewhere In Time".

And I doubt you'll find another actor with such diverse roles as Johnny Depp

and he started out as a teen age cop in "21 Jump Street".



Joe Shingler/Ghosts Of Pompeii



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--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, "fullloonrising"
<rwkempokittykicks@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, jlinendoll@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Duke was Duke no matter WHAT role had. Bela's mistake was going for the
money initially when he first became famous. He took every role offered
him-pretty much all horror/mystery characters. He only played Dracula twice in
films, a vampire in 5 (if you count My Son The Vampire, Mark of the Vampire, and
of course Return of the Vampire along with the 2 Dracs). Same situation as with
Wayne.  Duke was told early in the 1950s-when complained to Harry Carey's widow
that all he was offered was "tough guy" roles, she told him that that's what the
public wanted to see him in and he should be happy to be type-cast in that
image. That changed his mind. Bela wasn't happy
> > with being type cast in the "vampire" image but grew to accept it when
that's all that was offered him.
> >
> >
>
> I read that he liked playing villains but haed being typecast as Count
Dracula.how do you "grow to accept it" if you despise the negative notoriety it
has brought to your career as an actor?
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael O'Brien <Ironbutt6@>
> > To: creaturefeatures@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:42 am
> > Subject: RE: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE
EXORCIST III
> >
> >
> >
> > ohn Wayne was typcast as a "tough guy," which opened him to all kinds of
roles.
> > e stared in cop movies, westerns, war movies, and in a whole slew of others
> > hat needed a "tough guy" character.  He was even a Roman Centurian in "The
> > reatest Story Ever Told."  His line was, "Truely this man was the  Son of
God."
> > t was a very short part, but he was in it never the less.   John  Wayne was
in
> > ll kinds of films, as was Clint Eastwood, Paul Newman and Charles Bronson. 
All
> > f them played "tough guy" rolls.  Any kind of generalization typcasting can
be
> >  good thing.  But Bela Lugosi was typcast not as a general type of a
character,
> > ut as Count Draculs. Christopher Reeves was type cast as Superman, and
> > ohnathin Frid, was typecast as Barnabass Collins.
> >
> > eing typecast as a certain kind of a person and being typcast as a specific
> > erson makes a huge difference.
> >
> > ike
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...Also during that period of time - [30's & 40's] A lot of actors excepted
being type-casted, back then it was a "Steady" job!!!

--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, Michael O'Brien <Ironbutt6@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I will admit that Bela Lugosi may have been limited by his foreign accent, but
he was by no means a limited actor.  From what I understand, he portrayed a lot
of roles on stage, which was his primary forte for acting.  Johnathin Frid, was
also a brilliant actor, but people will allways expect Barnabas Collins when
ever they hear he's in anything.
>
> Mike
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...You guys have to remember that when Bela came to this country he couldn't
speak a word of english, he memorized his lines in english & just repeated what
he memorized... There's a lot of actors & actresses today that can't even do
this...

--- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, "fullloonrising"
<rwkempokittykicks@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In CreatureFeatures@yahoogroups.com, jlinendoll@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > But even with his Hungarian accent, he could have played roles that his
fellow Hungarian Paul Lukas was enjoying. Lukas' accent was strong also. It's
ironic that Bela is so well-known NOW, while actors like Lukas are almost
forgotton by the general public.
> > Jack
> >
> >
>
> ARNOLD SCHWARZZENNEGAR has a thick Austrian accent and he has been in numerous
movies.But he was driven.he had three goals.To become a world famous body
builder.An actor.To get involved in politics.It all payed off for him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael O'Brien <Ironbutt6@>
> > To: creaturefeatures@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 12:12 pm
> > Subject: RE: [CreatureFeatures] Re: Secret Cinema Saturday Night - THE
EXORCIST III
> >
> >
> >
> > hat I will agree with.  Bela Lugosi was not a good businessman, but he was a
> > abulous actor.  His Romanian accent was probably also a hinderance back in
the
> > 0s and 40s.    It worked great in rolls that were mysterious, such as a
> > ampire, but it just didn't work in other genres for the audience back in
that
> > ime period.
> >
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...Arnold is no actor, & sure as hell is no politition... Granted he was the
biggest bodybuilder in history! Imho, that's the only thing he's got going for
him...

Fullmoonrising, about John Wayne,  while perhaps not exactally a Nazi character
per se,  the Duke did play a WWII German freighter captain in 'The Sea Chase'. 
Of course he was still the same old John Wayne wearing a different uniform.  Or
perhaps all WWII German captains had to be Nazis so he was technically one too
in that film?  Beats me if they all had to be in the Nazi party to be Captains. 
I don't know, but I suspect not.  You mentioned "Imagine the Duke Playing a
Nazi"  so I thought you might be interested in that bit of trivia.

Can't think of  Wayne ever playing a mad scientist well.  At least Bogey played
one in 'The Return of Dr. X'.  And, in spite of his critics, I always thought he
was good in the role.

IMO the roles that showed Wayne's  acting ability best were 'Red River', 'Rio
Grande', 'The Quiet Man' and 'True Grit'.

Like Lugosi, Wayne was type cast into a certain genre (tough guys) and he
excelled there.

M.D.

"I looked up at the night sky, gazing at the stars and i wondered......Where the
hell is my ceiling?! "

>

Sure JOHN WAYNE was typecast.He played alot of tough guy roles.You would never
have imagined him playin in LA CAGE A FOLLE,or THE SOUND OF MUSIC.JOHN WAYNE
also played GHENGIS KHAN.Could you imagine JOHN WZYNE playing a natzi or a mad
scinetist?No,not the Duke!
>



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">If he could have stayed out of horror for awhile,toned down the accent.If he
as more picky with his roles than he may have made some progress."





  Unfortunately with a young family to support, and extravagant taste, he was
always short of cash and had to keep working-


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"i don't think he ever accepted it.In this economy,many people are doing jobs
hey don't want to do,but do them to keep a roof over their heads,and butter on
heir biscuit."


I think he DID revel in the rep of being the spooky guy. He often kidded
waitresses and fans, acting like Dracula or just being scary acting around them.
From snippets of films taken at blood drives and personal appearances, he seemed
to be enjoying himself. I'm sure he would MUCH rather have been doing more
mainstream work, but I think he accepted, and to an extent, enjoyed his image.
Jack




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