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#8993 From: "brandanhadlock" <brandanhadlock@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 7:00 pm
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It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their

talents to bring people to Christ through film.  Is there a unifying or

coordinating organization to help direct efforts?  I know God is THE DIRECTOR,

but He often works through us.  And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and

it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing

their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and

talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.



Has anyone tried to do something like this?  What would be the pro's and con's?


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#8994 From: Sunday Gracia <dgraci20@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 7:06 pm
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I tried to organize one a few years ago on here, without avail at that time.  God willing, after I make my series I will try again.

God bless!

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 2:00:02 PM
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?



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#8995 From: "mauriciobelgrano" <maub3000@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers? 		mauriciobelg...
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I feel guilty when I hear people ask these questions. I wish I can do something

to unite with others and help. But I gottah say, that I had to wait and pray for

direction. I just filmed a short film called, Nena

(www.nenatheshortfilm.blogspot.com). I got so hooked up on that short, that I am

on my next Nena sequel. I personally need help with this short. I want to help

others. But I don't think that I have the money to travel. This last short, by

God's mighty Grace, cost me $200 the most. On another note, I am finding people

who are willing to help me here in Jacksonville, but still missing some good

talent, like lighting crew, makeup artists, and good actors.



What exactly were you thinking about doing in a collaboration?



Mau-B



--- In ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com, "brandanhadlock" <brandanhadlock@...>

wrote:

>

> It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop

their talents to bring people to Christ through film.  Is there a unifying or

coordinating organization to help direct efforts?  I know God is THE DIRECTOR,

but He often works through us.  And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and

it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing

their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and

talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

>

> Has anyone tried to do something like this?  What would be the pro's and

con's?

>


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#8996 From: Sunday Gracia <dgraci20@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Re: Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers? 		dgraci20
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Nah don't be guilty without cause, just do your best, brother.  It takes a measure of faith for someone to step out to do something God called them to do without the means to see it completed.  It happens that way so that God, not man, can get the glory.  But there are times when someone who does have the means sees the passion of the one who doesn't and funds it.

Maybe there is someone on here who has that ability, but just hasn't come across that individual whose passion is the key to their generosity.  All it really takes is a boy with 5 loaves and 2 fish.  When God gives the increase, it produces a meal for thousands.  And the return is pressed down, shaken together, and running over.

I'm very passionate about what I do, but until that person who has the means to allow this passion in me to flurish comes along, I have to let my passion fuel the fire.  So, my brother, take comfort in this.  I say this all the time.  God is the Author and the Finisher of our faith.  He started the work in you, and He is faithful to finish it.

Hopefully, I can finish putting together the trailer for the upcoming series, MANIFESTATIONS, here in a couple of weeks.  I have an announcement trailer, but it doesn't have any footage, really.  This one will be top class, my friend.  Keep an eye out for it soon.

God bless!

From: mauriciobelgrano <maub3000@...>
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 2:13:59 PM
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Re: Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?

I feel guilty when I hear people ask these questions. I wish I can do something to unite with others and help. But I gottah say, that I had to wait and pray for direction. I just filmed a short film called, Nena (www.nenatheshortfi lm.blogspot. com). I got so hooked up on that short, that I am on my next Nena sequel. I personally need help with this short. I want to help others. But I don't think that I have the money to travel. This last short, by God's mighty Grace, cost me $200 the most. On another note, I am finding people who are willing to help me here in Jacksonville, but still missing some good talent, like lighting crew, makeup artists, and good actors.

What exactly were you thinking about doing in a collaboration?

Mau-B

--- In ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com, "brandanhadlock" <brandanhadlock@ ...> wrote:
>
> It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.
>
> Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?
>



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#8997 From: "mauriciobelgrano" <maub3000@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 8:04 pm
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You are right about not feeling guilty. That was nailed on the cross. I really

value your sound teaching and the message you gave me to not to worry.

Definitely needed. Thanks, again. And do keep me posted with your movie. :)



Mau-B





--- In ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com, "brandanhadlock" <brandanhadlock@...>

wrote:

>

> It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop

their talents to bring people to Christ through film.  Is there a unifying or

coordinating organization to help direct efforts?  I know God is THE DIRECTOR,

but He often works through us.  And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and

it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing

their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and

talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

>

> Has anyone tried to do something like this?  What would be the pro's and

con's?

>


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#8998 From: Jeremiah Warren <computerandvideoguy@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 10:28 pm
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There is a group of filmmakers in Dallas and somewhere in the 
North East part of the US.

Regards,

Jeremiah Warren

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On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:04 PM, "mauriciobelgrano" <maub3000@...> wrote:

You are right about not feeling guilty. That was nailed on the cross. I really value your sound teaching and the message you gave me to not to worry. Definitely needed. Thanks, again. And do keep me posted with your movie. :)

Mau-B

--- In ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com, "brandanhadlock" <brandanhadlock@...> wrote:
>
> It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.
>
> Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?
>


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#8999 From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@...>
Date: Sun Jul 5, 2009 2:30 am
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Dear Brandan,

I sat here for about ten minutes trying to formulate an answer for you that would provide some kind of direction. I am a Union Assistant Property Master, Lead Man and an on Set Dresser in L.A. I have been a Non-union Property Master, Art Director (Beauty and the Geek) Construction Coordinator an Actor,Stuntman and a Line Producer on smaller films. I toured with Lamb Players Theatre back in 1976 on one of the National Tours. As you can tell I am a little old. I tell you this because it has been my experience and this is not to be duragatory to film companies getting started or folks out there swinging for the fences getting product produced. However, most Christian productions are on a non-paying basis (my experience only and not to be seen as judgemental, ok?) and they are mostly shoe-string companies. Most are vids for UTUBE or contests.

I belive this..."The Worker is worth his wages". If you can live with mom and dad and eat beans for a while, pay your own expences to and from where ever the film is being shot then by all means follow the dream because only God knows how to place you where you should be. I only know two "Christian Film Producers" and they hire the best crews for the money whether they are Christians or not. Film making is a business, very profitable if you can get the produced film into distribution. Kirk Cameron's film was a very low budget film in compairison to other projects, it was made with volunteers in many area's both actors and crews. I am sure the director was paid, camera crew and the Effects crew and possibly some of the other department heads. People need to make a living in their chosen field of film be it Christian or not and I am not a big fan of this type of experience. True, the film is often not made without this kind of volunteerism but I think its wrong and then the only time a person is called is when they want something for nothing. I have  worked on a number of films in the 5 million range and when the Producer got the "big" budget film project he didn't hire that film crew which helped him get there. His excuse was that "those who have never done a big budget film wouldn't know how to handle the money, so I am going with people who have done them". This is how it is (again not to offend anyone)

If you want to work in the industry go to college and lean to be a camera man, best paid, best food and they are very well taken care of. Or be a Director.

I have been around this industry for many years as well as non-profit Christian theatre and rarely do people succeded in this arena without lots of money to produce the product and then pay for the distribution...that is just the nature of the film industry. Remember it is a business and even Christians deserve to make a profit on a business transaction.

I love the Lord and I would give anything to be a part of a Christian Production company where I could work consistantly on films that glorify the Lord.

I have worked on lots of low budget films and some of it has been slave labor just to get my chops in for better future work. But I would never do it again. If I work for nothing it is for my church to better someone's home, paint, cut the lawn, take them to town, be their friend, work with the youth. If you want to effect someone's life do what Jesue did. He feed them, healed them and shared with them what they must do to be saved.

I hope youdo not see this as "sour grapes". It isn't. I just think people should be paid for their labor and if a producer doesn't have the money then the picture should not be made until the funds are there to pay everyone. But that's just me.

May God Bless your Choice. Stay prayed up and He will guide you in the direction you should go.

In Christ,

Rod



--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@...> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@...>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?



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#9000 From: Sunday Gracia <dgraci20@...>
Date: Sun Jul 5, 2009 3:44 am
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Great reply Rob,
 
This is exactly the wall I want to break.  No longer business as usual.  No longer someone out for themselves.  No longer!
 
I don't have a big budget, but I have a God given gift of creativity (the sling shot) and I can't wait to use it.  I can't put on Saul's armour (doing things the way the industry says it needs to be done).  It doesn't fit and I haven't proved it.
 
My plan, and what I'm telling those who help me out.  I will pay you a percentage of the total sale of each episode, and will base it upon the work.  Anywhere between 1-7%, plus a bonus if its possible.  Crews will be paid on a hourly wage (12-20/hr depending), but I can only pay them when it sells.  Now, I can tell you know, people will like this series.  Not because of the money thrown at it, but because you will see the passion God has placed in me for this cause.  Now, I clearly tell them, if sales are low, payment will be low.  But if they are involved, they have literally hundreds of friends that they can get to watch it.  First episode is free.  If they like it (and they will), it will spread like wildfire.  The battle is not mine.  It is the Lords.  How dare this uncircumsized Philistine (the film industry) defy the armies of the living God!
 
A leader or person who is not passionately committed to the cause, will not draw much commitment from others.  I'm running out to meet Goliath at the battle line.  Who's coming with me?
 
 
 
 

From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@...>
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 9:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?

Dear Brandan,

I sat here for about ten minutes trying to formulate an answer for you that would provide some kind of direction. I am a Union Assistant Property Master, Lead Man and an on Set Dresser in L.A. I have been a Non-union Property Master, Art Director (Beauty and the Geek) Construction Coordinator an Actor,Stuntman and a Line Producer on smaller films. I toured with Lamb Players Theatre back in 1976 on one of the National Tours. As you can tell I am a little old. I tell you this because it has been my experience and this is not to be duragatory to film companies getting started or folks out there swinging for the fences getting product produced. However, most Christian productions are on a non-paying basis (my experience only and not to be seen as judgemental, ok?) and they are mostly shoe-string companies. Most are vids for UTUBE or contests.

I belive this..."The Worker is worth his wages". If you can live with mom and dad and eat beans for a while, pay your own expences to and from where ever the film is being shot then by all means follow the dream because only God knows how to place you where you should be. I only know two "Christian Film Producers" and they hire the best crews for the money whether they are Christians or not. Film making is a business, very profitable if you can get the produced film into distribution. Kirk Cameron's film was a very low budget film in compairison to other projects, it was made with volunteers in many area's both actors and crews. I am sure the director was paid, camera crew and the Effects crew and possibly some of the other department heads. People need to make a living in their chosen field of film be it Christian or not and I am not a big fan of this type of experience. True, the film is often not made without this kind of volunteerism but I think its wrong and then the only time a person is called is when they want something for nothing. I have  worked on a number of films in the 5 million range and when the Producer got the "big" budget film project he didn't hire that film crew which helped him get there. His excuse was that "those who have never done a big budget film wouldn't know how to handle the money, so I am going with people who have done them". This is how it is (again not to offend anyone)

If you want to work in the industry go to college and lean to be a camera man, best paid, best food and they are very well taken care of. Or be a Director.

I have been around this industry for many years as well as non-profit Christian theatre and rarely do people succeded in this arena without lots of money to produce the product and then pay for the distribution. ..that is just the nature of the film industry. Remember it is a business and even Christians deserve to make a profit on a business transaction.

I love the Lord and I would give anything to be a part of a Christian Production company where I could work consistantly on films that glorify the Lord.

I have worked on lots of low budget films and some of it has been slave labor just to get my chops in for better future work. But I would never do it again. If I work for nothing it is for my church to better someone's home, paint, cut the lawn, take them to town, be their friend, work with the youth. If you want to effect someone's life do what Jesue did. He feed them, healed them and shared with them what they must do to be saved.

I hope youdo not see this as "sour grapes". It isn't. I just think people should be paid for their labor and if a producer doesn't have the money then the picture should not be made until the funds are there to pay everyone. But that's just me.

May God Bless your Choice. Stay prayed up and He will guide you in the direction you should go.

In Christ,

Rod



--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?




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#9003 From: Gary Vila <mang4live@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 3:03 am
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Greetings Sunday,

    It's the faith of a mustard seed that moves mountains. The same faith that David found in the GOD OF ALL CREATION. No fancy armor, no fancy weaponry, just a simple sling shot and "ONE" smooth stone and most importantly a faith that passes all understanding. When we yield to the Lord great things happen, but only in his time "NOT OURS".  Blessings from the Pacific Northwest, your brother in Christ Gary Vila.


            P.S I'm ready to meet Goliath as well.

From: Sunday Gracia <dgraci20@...>
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 8:44:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?


Great reply Rob,
 
This is exactly the wall I want to break.  No longer business as usual.  No longer someone out for themselves.  No longer!
 
I don't have a big budget, but I have a God given gift of creativity (the sling shot) and I can't wait to use it.  I can't put on Saul's armour (doing things the way the industry says it needs to be done).  It doesn't fit and I haven't proved it.
 
My plan, and what I'm telling those who help me out.  I will pay you a percentage of the total sale of each episode, and will base it upon the work.  Anywhere between 1-7%, plus a bonus if its possible.  Crews will be paid on a hourly wage (12-20/hr depending), but I can only pay them when it sells.  Now, I can tell you know, people will like this series.  Not because of the money thrown at it, but because you will see the passion God has placed in me for this cause.  Now, I clearly tell them, if sales are low, payment will be low.  But if they are involved, they have literally hundreds of friends that they can get to watch it.  First episode is free.  If they like it (and they will), it will spread like wildfire.  The battle is not mine.  It is the Lords.  How dare this uncircumsized Philistine (the film industry) defy the armies of the living God!
 
A leader or person who is not passionately committed to the cause, will not draw much commitment from others.  I'm running out to meet Goliath at the battle line.  Who's coming with me?
 
 
 
 

From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@yahoo. com>
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 9:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?

Dear Brandan,

I sat here for about ten minutes trying to formulate an answer for you that would provide some kind of direction. I am a Union Assistant Property Master, Lead Man and an on Set Dresser in L.A. I have been a Non-union Property Master, Art Director (Beauty and the Geek) Construction Coordinator an Actor,Stuntman and a Line Producer on smaller films. I toured with Lamb Players Theatre back in 1976 on one of the National Tours. As you can tell I am a little old. I tell you this because it has been my experience and this is not to be duragatory to film companies getting started or folks out there swinging for the fences getting product produced. However, most Christian productions are on a non-paying basis (my experience only and not to be seen as judgemental, ok?) and they are mostly shoe-string companies. Most are vids for UTUBE or contests.

I belive this..."The Worker is worth his wages". If you can live with mom and dad and eat beans for a while, pay your own expences to and from where ever the film is being shot then by all means follow the dream because only God knows how to place you where you should be. I only know two "Christian Film Producers" and they hire the best crews for the money whether they are Christians or not. Film making is a business, very profitable if you can get the produced film into distribution. Kirk Cameron's film was a very low budget film in compairison to other projects, it was made with volunteers in many area's both actors and crews. I am sure the director was paid, camera crew and the Effects crew and possibly some of the other department heads. People need to make a living in their chosen field of film be it Christian or not and I am not a big fan of this type of experience. True, the film is often not made without this kind of volunteerism but I think its wrong and then the only time a person is called is when they want something for nothing. I have  worked on a number of films in the 5 million range and when the Producer got the "big" budget film project he didn't hire that film crew which helped him get there. His excuse was that "those who have never done a big budget film wouldn't know how to handle the money, so I am going with people who have done them". This is how it is (again not to offend anyone)

If you want to work in the industry go to college and lean to be a camera man, best paid, best food and they are very well taken care of. Or be a Director.

I have been around this industry for many years as well as non-profit Christian theatre and rarely do people succeded in this arena without lots of money to produce the product and then pay for the distribution. ..that is just the nature of the film industry. Remember it is a business and even Christians deserve to make a profit on a business transaction.

I love the Lord and I would give anything to be a part of a Christian Production company where I could work consistantly on films that glorify the Lord.

I have worked on lots of low budget films and some of it has been slave labor just to get my chops in for better future work. But I would never do it again. If I work for nothing it is for my church to better someone's home, paint, cut the lawn, take them to town, be their friend, work with the youth. If you want to effect someone's life do what Jesue did. He feed them, healed them and shared with them what they must do to be saved.

I hope youdo not see this as "sour grapes". It isn't. I just think people should be paid for their labor and if a producer doesn't have the money then the picture should not be made until the funds are there to pay everyone. But that's just me.

May God Bless your Choice. Stay prayed up and He will guide you in the direction you should go.

In Christ,

Rod



--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?





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#9002 From: Gary Vila <mang4live@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 2:52 am
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Dear rod,

    I agree that a man should get paid what he's worth.  At the same time I have to sympathize with Brandan.  Just like your self I was part of the Hollywood machine.
Being a set and prop builder I did feel under paid for my efforts But that's life in
biz.  I have also wanted to know if there were any kinds of groups like the ones Branden is talking about.  Branden if your reading this I'm in the same boat, A large vision but lacking the means ( moneys) to do it.  All I can say is trust in the lord always.  There are many things that I would like to do for the lord But you and I need to realize that those things may not be the things that he would have us do. My wife and I have started a drama ministry where we live.  We're going on to 2 years now with only only one production to show for it. believe me it's frustrating but I have to put my trust in the lord and continually ask my self why am I doing this. Is it for my glory or is it for the lords glory.  More often than not I find my self falling into the first category. Guys I know that I'm saved by the blood of Christ, But I'm still human and very susceptible to what the world has to offer. In a way that group does exist,It's this group.  Who knows there just might be those people out there who have the means but don't know who to help. Keep on praying and keepon moving forward and upward.

        May the lord bless and keep all of us, your brother in Christ- Gary Vila
From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@...>
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?

Dear Brandan,

I sat here for about ten minutes trying to formulate an answer for you that would provide some kind of direction. I am a Union Assistant Property Master, Lead Man and an on Set Dresser in L.A. I have been a Non-union Property Master, Art Director (Beauty and the Geek) Construction Coordinator an Actor,Stuntman and a Line Producer on smaller films. I toured with Lamb Players Theatre back in 1976 on one of the National Tours. As you can tell I am a little old. I tell you this because it has been my experience and this is not to be duragatory to film companies getting started or folks out there swinging for the fences getting product produced. However, most Christian productions are on a non-paying basis (my experience only and not to be seen as judgemental, ok?) and they are mostly shoe-string companies. Most are vids for UTUBE or contests.

I belive this..."The Worker is worth his wages". If you can live with mom and dad and eat beans for a while, pay your own expences to and from where ever the film is being shot then by all means follow the dream because only God knows how to place you where you should be. I only know two "Christian Film Producers" and they hire the best crews for the money whether they are Christians or not. Film making is a business, very profitable if you can get the produced film into distribution. Kirk Cameron's film was a very low budget film in compairison to other projects, it was made with volunteers in many area's both actors and crews. I am sure the director was paid, camera crew and the Effects crew and possibly some of the other department heads. People need to make a living in their chosen field of film be it Christian or not and I am not a big fan of this type of experience. True, the film is often not made without this kind of volunteerism but I think its wrong and then the only time a person is called is when they want something for nothing. I have  worked on a number of films in the 5 million range and when the Producer got the "big" budget film project he didn't hire that film crew which helped him get there. His excuse was that "those who have never done a big budget film wouldn't know how to handle the money, so I am going with people who have done them". This is how it is (again not to offend anyone)

If you want to work in the industry go to college and lean to be a camera man, best paid, best food and they are very well taken care of. Or be a Director.

I have been around this industry for many years as well as non-profit Christian theatre and rarely do people succeded in this arena without lots of money to produce the product and then pay for the distribution. ..that is just the nature of the film industry. Remember it is a business and even Christians deserve to make a profit on a business transaction.

I love the Lord and I would give anything to be a part of a Christian Production company where I could work consistantly on films that glorify the Lord.

I have worked on lots of low budget films and some of it has been slave labor just to get my chops in for better future work. But I would never do it again. If I work for nothing it is for my church to better someone's home, paint, cut the lawn, take them to town, be their friend, work with the youth. If you want to effect someone's life do what Jesue did. He feed them, healed them and shared with them what they must do to be saved.

I hope youdo not see this as "sour grapes". It isn't. I just think people should be paid for their labor and if a producer doesn't have the money then the picture should not be made until the funds are there to pay everyone. But that's just me.

May God Bless your Choice. Stay prayed up and He will guide you in the direction you should go.

In Christ,

Rod



--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?




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Date: Sun Jul 5, 2009 9:16 pm
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Hi Brandon:
 
I don't know if there are any Christian Film Organizations yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two are started soon.  I wouldn't mind organizing one, but that would have to be after I've made a film or two.
 
Winton Hancock

--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@...> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@...>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 3:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?


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#9004 From: mdlpaix <mdlpaix@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:27 am
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Hello everyone at CF!
 
Here in Europe we have an event and organisation called CEVMA - Christian European Visual Media Association with an annual conference in September (this year in Scotland, last year in Romania, year before in Switzerland) which is great for networking with people with different skills and different organisations - many come from the U. S. There's even a film festival attached every other year. Last year we had the world premiere of the animated version of Romanian pastor Richard Wurmbrand's life (author of "Tortured for Christ").
 
Blessings.
 
D. Sullivan
London
HFC International www.agapelive.net  
OLI Productions www.oliproductions.com


--- On Sun, 5/7/09, Winton Hancock <heirsoftheking@...> wrote:

From: Winton Hancock <heirsoftheking@...>
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 10:16 PM

Hi Brandon:
 
I don't know if there are any Christian Film Organizations yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two are started soon.  I wouldn't mind organizing one, but that would have to be after I've made a film or two.
 
Winton Hancock

--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 3:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?



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#9005 From: "ph." <simjoker@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 1:14 pm
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Hi all

im from singapore. back here the film production industry isnt exactly a big hit (somehow) however people here love to watch movies and i believe that its the general trend around the world as countries start developing and film standards continue to climb.

to me it makes absolute sense to pay between 7 - 10 dollars to watch a multi million dollar production (and i absolutely love it) as compared to paying 80 dollars to watch a musical that didnt even spend a million dollars on production.

Having said that i know that Christian Film production always faces limited budget. I believe some of us are trying to change that here because i really believe that this is the generation that will see God's grace work miraculously in such radical ways and i personally believe (together with my church) that prosperity comes with the blessing of being a christian. Prosperity here encompasses finances although not limited to. It basically means an abundance in every area. If you lack love you need an abundance of love. and if you need finances you also need an abundance of it. Besides it is biblical. God blesses people with finances. see abraham, solomon, david and all the other great men.

So yes. i want film makers and their crew to be blessed. I want to see Gospels go out into the nation through high quality film with big budgets! and i want the people to see God in a new perspective, in an entertained manner the way the bible was written!

If you need to believe in finances for your film project. Join me! together with winton and daniel, we are praying via email for God's abundance in finances for us to do just those 3 great pointers that ive mentioned.

It starts with believing in it (whatever you want) and then knowing that God wants it for you too.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, mdlpaix <mdlpaix@...> wrote:


Hello everyone at CF!
 
Here in Europe we have an event and organisation called CEVMA - Christian European Visual Media Association with an annual conference in September (this year in Scotland, last year in Romania, year before in Switzerland) which is great for networking with people with different skills and different organisations - many come from the U. S. There's even a film festival attached every other year. Last year we had the world premiere of the animated version of Romanian pastor Richard Wurmbrand's life (author of "Tortured for Christ").
 
Blessings.
 
D. Sullivan
London
HFC International www.agapelive.net  
OLI Productions www.oliproductions.com


--- On Sun, 5/7/09, Winton Hancock <heirsoftheking@...> wrote:

From: Winton Hancock <heirsoftheking@...>

Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 10:16 PM

Hi Brandon:
 
I don't know if there are any Christian Film Organizations yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two are started soon.  I wouldn't mind organizing one, but that would have to be after I've made a film or two.
 
Winton Hancock

--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 3:00 PM


It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?





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#9006 From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:03 pm
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Gary,

Thank you for the nice reply. The Hollywood industry is one that chews people up and spits them out. I went out and got a CDL just in case for when the SAG strike was settled so I could drive to those out of state productions but they only want to hire guys with experience. I am looking outside the industry for any kind of work now....it seems most productions are going out of state where we can't work because we are not a resident of that particular state. AAAAhhhh Show Biz.

All the best with your Ministry,

In Christ,

Rod Kerns

--- On Sun, 7/5/09, Gary Vila <mang4live@...> wrote:

From: Gary Vila <mang4live@...>
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 7:52 PM

Dear rod,

    I agree that a man should get paid what he's worth.  At the same time I have to sympathize with Brandan.  Just like your self I was part of the Hollywood machine.
Being a set and prop builder I did feel under paid for my efforts But that's life in
biz.  I have also wanted to know if there were any kinds of groups like the ones Branden is talking about.  Branden if your reading this I'm in the same boat, A large vision but lacking the means ( moneys) to do it.  All I can say is trust in the lord always.  There are many things that I would like to do for the lord But you and I need to realize that those things may not be the things that he would have us do. My wife and I have started a drama ministry where we live.  We're going on to 2 years now with only only one production to show for it. believe me it's frustrating but I have to put my trust in the lord and continually ask my self why am I doing this. Is it for my glory or is it for the lords glory.  More often than not I find my self falling into the first category. Guys I know that I'm saved by the blood of Christ, But I'm still human and very susceptible to what the world has to offer. In a way that group does exist,It's this group.  Who knows there just might be those people out there who have the means but don't know who to help. Keep on praying and keepon moving forward and upward.

        May the lord bless and keep all of us, your brother in Christ- Gary Vila
From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@yahoo. com>
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?

Dear Brandan,

I sat here for about ten minutes trying to formulate an answer for you that would provide some kind of direction. I am a Union Assistant Property Master, Lead Man and an on Set Dresser in L.A. I have been a Non-union Property Master, Art Director (Beauty and the Geek) Construction Coordinator an Actor,Stuntman and a Line Producer on smaller films. I toured with Lamb Players Theatre back in 1976 on one of the National Tours. As you can tell I am a little old. I tell you this because it has been my experience and this is not to be duragatory to film companies getting started or folks out there swinging for the fences getting product produced. However, most Christian productions are on a non-paying basis (my experience only and not to be seen as judgemental, ok?) and they are mostly shoe-string companies. Most are vids for UTUBE or contests.

I belive this..."The Worker is worth his wages". If you can live with mom and dad and eat beans for a while, pay your own expences to and from where ever the film is being shot then by all means follow the dream because only God knows how to place you where you should be. I only know two "Christian Film Producers" and they hire the best crews for the money whether they are Christians or not. Film making is a business, very profitable if you can get the produced film into distribution. Kirk Cameron's film was a very low budget film in compairison to other projects, it was made with volunteers in many area's both actors and crews. I am sure the director was paid, camera crew and the Effects crew and possibly some of the other department heads. People need to make a living in their chosen field of film be it Christian or not and I am not a big fan of this type of experience. True, the film is often not made without this kind of volunteerism but I think its wrong and then the only time a person is called is when they want something for nothing. I have  worked on a number of films in the 5 million range and when the Producer got the "big" budget film project he didn't hire that film crew which helped him get there. His excuse was that "those who have never done a big budget film wouldn't know how to handle the money, so I am going with people who have done them". This is how it is (again not to offend anyone)

If you want to work in the industry go to college and lean to be a camera man, best paid, best food and they are very well taken care of. Or be a Director.

I have been around this industry for many years as well as non-profit Christian theatre and rarely do people succeded in this arena without lots of money to produce the product and then pay for the distribution. ..that is just the nature of the film industry. Remember it is a business and even Christians deserve to make a profit on a business transaction.

I love the Lord and I would give anything to be a part of a Christian Production company where I could work consistantly on films that glorify the Lord.

I have worked on lots of low budget films and some of it has been slave labor just to get my chops in for better future work. But I would never do it again. If I work for nothing it is for my church to better someone's home, paint, cut the lawn, take them to town, be their friend, work with the youth. If you want to effect someone's life do what Jesue did. He feed them, healed them and shared with them what they must do to be saved.

I hope youdo not see this as "sour grapes". It isn't. I just think people should be paid for their labor and if a producer doesn't have the money then the picture should not be made until the funds are there to pay everyone. But that's just me.

May God Bless your Choice. Stay prayed up and He will guide you in the direction you should go.

In Christ,

Rod



--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?





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#9007 From: Winton Hancock <heirsoftheking@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:24 pm
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Hey Rod.  I'm from Florida, and I plan to do a movie in the near future.  As far as I know, I don't believe Florida requires it's movie-makers to use talent from Florida only.  When I did my pre-movie trailer in November 2007 I used 32 actors and 3 of them were from Alabama - nobody made a big deal out of it.  Of course, I could be wrong.  But then again, nobody's hauled me off to jail yet.  So if you'd like to take part in my future movie, let me know your specialties, and we'll see I'll see if we can get you in there.
 
Winton Hancock
Phones:  321-638-4655  &  321-720-0933 

--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@...> wrote:

From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@...>
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 2:03 PM

Gary,

Thank you for the nice reply. The Hollywood industry is one that chews people up and spits them out. I went out and got a CDL just in case for when the SAG strike was settled so I could drive to those out of state productions but they only want to hire guys with experience. I am looking outside the industry for any kind of work now....it seems most productions are going out of state where we can't work because we are not a resident of that particular state. AAAAhhhh Show Biz.

All the best with your Ministry,

In Christ,

Rod Kerns

--- On Sun, 7/5/09, Gary Vila <mang4live@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Gary Vila <mang4live@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 7:52 PM

Dear rod,

    I agree that a man should get paid what he's worth.  At the same time I have to sympathize with Brandan.  Just like your self I was part of the Hollywood machine.
Being a set and prop builder I did feel under paid for my efforts But that's life in
biz.  I have also wanted to know if there were any kinds of groups like the ones Branden is talking about.  Branden if your reading this I'm in the same boat, A large vision but lacking the means ( moneys) to do it.  All I can say is trust in the lord always.  There are many things that I would like to do for the lord But you and I need to realize that those things may not be the things that he would have us do. My wife and I have started a drama ministry where we live.  We're going on to 2 years now with only only one production to show for it. believe me it's frustrating but I have to put my trust in the lord and continually ask my self why am I doing this. Is it for my glory or is it for the lords glory.  More often than not I find my self falling into the first category. Guys I know that I'm saved by the blood of Christ, But I'm still human and very susceptible to what the world has to offer. In a way that group does exist,It's this group.  Who knows there just might be those people out there who have the means but don't know who to help. Keep on praying and keepon moving forward and upward.

        May the lord bless and keep all of us, your brother in Christ- Gary Vila
From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@yahoo. com>
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?

Dear Brandan,

I sat here for about ten minutes trying to formulate an answer for you that would provide some kind of direction. I am a Union Assistant Property Master, Lead Man and an on Set Dresser in L.A. I have been a Non-union Property Master, Art Director (Beauty and the Geek) Construction Coordinator an Actor,Stuntman and a Line Producer on smaller films. I toured with Lamb Players Theatre back in 1976 on one of the National Tours. As you can tell I am a little old. I tell you this because it has been my experience and this is not to be duragatory to film companies getting started or folks out there swinging for the fences getting product produced. However, most Christian productions are on a non-paying basis (my experience only and not to be seen as judgemental, ok?) and they are mostly shoe-string companies. Most are vids for UTUBE or contests.

I belive this..."The Worker is worth his wages". If you can live with mom and dad and eat beans for a while, pay your own expences to and from where ever the film is being shot then by all means follow the dream because only God knows how to place you where you should be. I only know two "Christian Film Producers" and they hire the best crews for the money whether they are Christians or not. Film making is a business, very profitable if you can get the produced film into distribution. Kirk Cameron's film was a very low budget film in compairison to other projects, it was made with volunteers in many area's both actors and crews. I am sure the director was paid, camera crew and the Effects crew and possibly some of the other department heads. People need to make a living in their chosen field of film be it Christian or not and I am not a big fan of this type of experience. True, the film is often not made without this kind of volunteerism but I think its wrong and then the only time a person is called is when they want something for nothing. I have  worked on a number of films in the 5 million range and when the Producer got the "big" budget film project he didn't hire that film crew which helped him get there. His excuse was that "those who have never done a big budget film wouldn't know how to handle the money, so I am going with people who have done them". This is how it is (again not to offend anyone)

If you want to work in the industry go to college and lean to be a camera man, best paid, best food and they are very well taken care of. Or be a Director.

I have been around this industry for many years as well as non-profit Christian theatre and rarely do people succeded in this arena without lots of money to produce the product and then pay for the distribution. ..that is just the nature of the film industry. Remember it is a business and even Christians deserve to make a profit on a business transaction.

I love the Lord and I would give anything to be a part of a Christian Production company where I could work consistantly on films that glorify the Lord.

I have worked on lots of low budget films and some of it has been slave labor just to get my chops in for better future work. But I would never do it again. If I work for nothing it is for my church to better someone's home, paint, cut the lawn, take them to town, be their friend, work with the youth. If you want to effect someone's life do what Jesue did. He feed them, healed them and shared with them what they must do to be saved.

I hope youdo not see this as "sour grapes". It isn't. I just think people should be paid for their labor and if a producer doesn't have the money then the picture should not be made until the funds are there to pay everyone. But that's just me.

May God Bless your Choice. Stay prayed up and He will guide you in the direction you should go.

In Christ,

Rod



--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?





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#9008 From: Rob W <sd51@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers? 		soundmann
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Winton Hancock wrote:

>

>

> As far as I know, I don't believe Florida requires it's

> movie-makers to use talent from Florida only.  When I did my pre-movie

> trailer in November 2007 I used 32 actors and 3 of them were from

> Alabama - nobody made a big deal out of it.  Of course, I could be

> wrong.  But then again, nobody's hauled me off to jail yet.





Florida is a right to work state. So anyone can work here without a

permit. And you can work any job. We just wrapped principal photography

on Letters To God in the Orlando area and most of our actors were from

California. It was a union movie but I worked it and I'm not in a union

(not yet). There are no restrictions like that to work in Florida. So

come on down!



Rob W.


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#9012 From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:36 am
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Winton,

Thanks for the nice note.

From what I know out here in CA, is that if a production goes out of state and uses the Tax Incentive program for that particular state, ie, NM, MA, NY,SC, NC, GA, MI and AZ, in order to qualify for the monies from that state, the Production Company from CA has to hire local crews for production. Some states require 50 % local hire and other states its as high as 80%. MI gives 42% tax credit and cash back when the picture is in the can (hard costs).

I am not aware of the SAG ruling even though I am a Member and have been since 1978. Their rules are a little different. As for AZ which is a right to work state along with NM, if the Production is an IATSE contract for production the Production company is limited to that states percentage of Local Hires. I don't know about FL 's requirements. If your Production Companies offices are in FL I am not sure what rules apply. I guess I should because I have been a Line Producer on low budget shows in Sacramento, CA., but that was about 15 years ago and things were a little less convaluted.

I am sending my resume to you and hope that it makes it your way. What is not on there are my 2nd unit directing shows and my Acting gigs. Not too many Acting gigs for I went behind the camera because I wanted to eat and pay my bills. (grins) But I am called upon to pick up the acting when we are way out of town and they need a Day Player but my last acting gig was in 2007 on a show called "How to Rob a Bank" with Nick Stahal. I coordinated the Hostage rescue in the bank and got to play a sniper. I forgot how much fun acting really is. But time marches on.

Thank you once again for the nice note and I will try to call in a couple of days. I can be reached at:

rod_kerns@...

and if you want my phone number email me and I will send it.

--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Winton Hancock <heirsoftheking@...> wrote:

From: Winton Hancock <heirsoftheking@...>
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 12:24 PM

Hey Rod.  I'm from Florida, and I plan to do a movie in the near future.  As far as I know, I don't believe Florida requires it's movie-makers to use talent from Florida only.  When I did my pre-movie trailer in November 2007 I used 32 actors and 3 of them were from Alabama - nobody made a big deal out of it.  Of course, I could be wrong.  But then again, nobody's hauled me off to jail yet.  So if you'd like to take part in my future movie, let me know your specialties, and we'll see I'll see if we can get you in there.
 
Winton Hancock
Phones:  321-638-4655  &  321-720-0933 

--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 2:03 PM

Gary,

Thank you for the nice reply. The Hollywood industry is one that chews people up and spits them out. I went out and got a CDL just in case for when the SAG strike was settled so I could drive to those out of state productions but they only want to hire guys with experience. I am looking outside the industry for any kind of work now....it seems most productions are going out of state where we can't work because we are not a resident of that particular state. AAAAhhhh Show Biz.

All the best with your Ministry,

In Christ,

Rod Kerns

--- On Sun, 7/5/09, Gary Vila <mang4live@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Gary Vila <mang4live@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 7:52 PM

Dear rod,

    I agree that a man should get paid what he's worth.  At the same time I have to sympathize with Brandan.  Just like your self I was part of the Hollywood machine.
Being a set and prop builder I did feel under paid for my efforts But that's life in
biz.  I have also wanted to know if there were any kinds of groups like the ones Branden is talking about.  Branden if your reading this I'm in the same boat, A large vision but lacking the means ( moneys) to do it.  All I can say is trust in the lord always.  There are many things that I would like to do for the lord But you and I need to realize that those things may not be the things that he would have us do. My wife and I have started a drama ministry where we live.  We're going on to 2 years now with only only one production to show for it. believe me it's frustrating but I have to put my trust in the lord and continually ask my self why am I doing this. Is it for my glory or is it for the lords glory.  More often than not I find my self falling into the first category. Guys I know that I'm saved by the blood of Christ, But I'm still human and very susceptible to what the world has to offer. In a way that group does exist,It's this group.  Who knows there just might be those people out there who have the means but don't know who to help. Keep on praying and keepon moving forward and upward.

        May the lord bless and keep all of us, your brother in Christ- Gary Vila
From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@yahoo. com>
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?

Dear Brandan,

I sat here for about ten minutes trying to formulate an answer for you that would provide some kind of direction. I am a Union Assistant Property Master, Lead Man and an on Set Dresser in L.A. I have been a Non-union Property Master, Art Director (Beauty and the Geek) Construction Coordinator an Actor,Stuntman and a Line Producer on smaller films. I toured with Lamb Players Theatre back in 1976 on one of the National Tours. As you can tell I am a little old. I tell you this because it has been my experience and this is not to be duragatory to film companies getting started or folks out there swinging for the fences getting product produced. However, most Christian productions are on a non-paying basis (my experience only and not to be seen as judgemental, ok?) and they are mostly shoe-string companies. Most are vids for UTUBE or contests.

I belive this..."The Worker is worth his wages". If you can live with mom and dad and eat beans for a while, pay your own expences to and from where ever the film is being shot then by all means follow the dream because only God knows how to place you where you should be. I only know two "Christian Film Producers" and they hire the best crews for the money whether they are Christians or not. Film making is a business, very profitable if you can get the produced film into distribution. Kirk Cameron's film was a very low budget film in compairison to other projects, it was made with volunteers in many area's both actors and crews. I am sure the director was paid, camera crew and the Effects crew and possibly some of the other department heads. People need to make a living in their chosen field of film be it Christian or not and I am not a big fan of this type of experience. True, the film is often not made without this kind of volunteerism but I think its wrong and then the only time a person is called is when they want something for nothing. I have  worked on a number of films in the 5 million range and when the Producer got the "big" budget film project he didn't hire that film crew which helped him get there. His excuse was that "those who have never done a big budget film wouldn't know how to handle the money, so I am going with people who have done them". This is how it is (again not to offend anyone)

If you want to work in the industry go to college and lean to be a camera man, best paid, best food and they are very well taken care of. Or be a Director.

I have been around this industry for many years as well as non-profit Christian theatre and rarely do people succeded in this arena without lots of money to produce the product and then pay for the distribution. ..that is just the nature of the film industry. Remember it is a business and even Christians deserve to make a profit on a business transaction.

I love the Lord and I would give anything to be a part of a Christian Production company where I could work consistantly on films that glorify the Lord.

I have worked on lots of low budget films and some of it has been slave labor just to get my chops in for better future work. But I would never do it again. If I work for nothing it is for my church to better someone's home, paint, cut the lawn, take them to town, be their friend, work with the youth. If you want to effect someone's life do what Jesue did. He feed them, healed them and shared with them what they must do to be saved.

I hope youdo not see this as "sour grapes". It isn't. I just think people should be paid for their labor and if a producer doesn't have the money then the picture should not be made until the funds are there to pay everyone. But that's just me.

May God Bless your Choice. Stay prayed up and He will guide you in the direction you should go.

In Christ,

Rod



--- On Sat, 7/4/09, brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brandanhadlock <brandanhadlock@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:00 PM

It looks like there a lot of people out there who want to use and develop their talents to bring people to Christ through film. Is there a unifying or coordinating organization to help direct efforts? I know God is THE DIRECTOR, but He often works through us. And if we take Paul's analogy of the body and it's members, it sounds like there a lot of toes, arms, and ears out there doing their best to serve, but that much more could be done if people's efforts and talents were synergestically coordinated into complete body.

Has anyone tried to do something like this? What would be the pro's and con's?






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#9013 From: Rob W <sd51@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:09 am
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Rod,



Your post brought up some facts we had not covered in the other post:

incentive monies and tax refunds.



I know in Florida, we have a nifty instant tax refund" where we don't

have to charge the production company from any state Sales and Use tax,

IF they fill out a form and hand it to all those they hire. So

basically, they can shoot here, 100% tax free, if they do their homework

and some paperwork before wrap.



Now, tax incentives. It was something we just went through here in

Florida with Letters To God. Originally, we were going to take much of

our crew to Nashville and shoot the movie there, as that's where the

original young man the story is loosely based on had lived. Costly.

Then, the state heard about what we were doing and informed us that

there was unused incentive money that was about to expire. The

production company could have that money, if they qualified, on the

condition that the movie was shot in it's entirety in the state of

Florida, using a Florida crew and Florida production services. That of

course is what happened. And the incentive was substantial but depended

also on what money was spent in the state.



Now as already stated, most of our SAG actors were from L.A. So that

would have impacted some on how much of the money could be claimed. But

it didn't disqualify the production from getting ANY money, just how

much. And since they were only a few (6 I think) the rest of the

supporting cast and all the crew and services we're from Florida. So the

lion's share of the incentive money will be able to be claimed.



This is definitely something even smaller productions should check with

their state about. I'm told that millions of dollars of incentive money

across the country goes unused each year. Can you imagine if Christian

productions were able to tap into that money? Proverbs 13:22b



So it definitely is worth everyone's time to contact their local and

state production offices to check out what is available, and to see what

regulations govern them. I worked on a good family film about 12 years

ago that had great potential. But those in charge were naive and lost

the film to the union in a lawsuit because they hadn't crossed their T's

and dotted their I's.



Rob W.







Rod Kerns wrote:

> [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Rod Kerns included below]

>

> Winton,

>

> Thanks for the nice note.

>

>  From what I know out here in CA, is that if a production goes out of

> state and uses the Tax Incentive program for that particular state, ie,

> NM, MA, NY,SC, NC, GA, MI and AZ, in order to qualify for the monies

> from that state, the Production Company from CA has to hire local crews

> for production. Some states require 50 % local hire and other states its

> as high as 80%. MI gives 42% tax credit and cash back when the picture

> is in the can (hard costs).

>

> I am not aware of the SAG ruling even though I am a Member and have been

> since 1978. Their rules are a little different. As for AZ which is a

> right to work state along with NM, if the Production is an IATSE

> contract for production the Production company is limited to that states

> percentage of Local Hires. I don't know about FL 's requirements. If

> your Production Companies offices are in FL I am not sure what rules

> apply. I guess I should because I have been a Line Producer on low

> budget shows in Sacramento, CA., but that was about 15 years ago and

> things were a little less convoluted.

>

> I am sending my resume to you and hope that it makes it your way. What

> is not on there are my 2nd unit directing shows and my Acting gigs. Not

> too many Acting gigs for I went behind the camera because I wanted to

> eat and pay my bills. (grins) But I am called upon to pick up the acting

> when we are way out of town and they need a Day Player but my last

> acting gig was in 2007 on a show called "How to Rob a Bank" with Nick

> Stahal. I coordinated the Hostage rescue in the bank and got to play a

> sniper. I forgot how much fun acting really is. But time marches on.

>

> Thank you once again for the nice note and I will try to call in a

> couple of days. I can be reached at:

>

> rod_kerns@...

>

> and if you want my phone number email me and I will send it.


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#9014 From: Rod Kerns <rod_kerns@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:21 am
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers? 		rod_kerns
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Rob,

CA has an incentive program but it is only 100 million. That is about 2 big budget shows, however the CA program limits the size of the production budget from 100k to 2.5 million.

Hope you got the res. and if you want pictures of projects let me know.

In Jesus,

Rod

--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Rob W <sd51@...> wrote:

From: Rob W <sd51@...>
Subject: Re: [Christian Movie Making Forum] Is there a unifying or coordination organization for Christian Filmmakers?
To: ChristianFilmmaker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 6:09 PM

Rod,

Your post brought up some facts we had not covered in the other post:
incentive monies and tax refunds.

I know in Florida, we have a nifty instant tax refund" where we don't
have to charge the production company from any state Sales and Use tax,
IF they fill out a form and hand it to all those they hire. So
basically, they can shoot here, 100% tax free, if they do their homework
and some paperwork before wrap.

Now, tax incentives. It was something we just went through here in
Florida with Letters To God. Originally, we were going to take much of
our crew to Nashville and shoot the movie there, as that's where the
original young man the story is loosely based on had lived. Costly.
Then, the state heard about what we were doing and informed us that
there was unused incentive money that was about to expire. The
production company could have that money, if they qualified, on the
condition that the movie was shot in it's entirety in the state of
Florida, using a Florida crew and Florida production services. That of
course is what happened. And the incentive was substantial but depended
also on what money was spent in the state.

Now as already stated, most of our SAG actors were from L.A. So that
would have impacted some on how much of the money could be claimed. But
it didn't disqualify the production from getting ANY money, just how
much. And since they were only a few (6 I think) the rest of the
supporting cast and all the crew and services we're from Florida. So the
lion's share of the incentive money will be able to be claimed.

This is definitely something even smaller productions should check with
their state about. I'm told that millions of dollars of incentive money
across the country goes unused each year. Can you imagine if Christian
productions were able to tap into that money? Proverbs 13:22b

So it definitely is worth everyone's time to contact their local and
state production offices to check out what is available, and to see what
regulations govern them. I worked on a good family film about 12 years
ago that had great potential. But those in charge were naive and lost
the film to the union in a lawsuit because they hadn't crossed their T's
and dotted their I's.

Rob W.

Rod Kerns wrote:
> [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Rod Kerns included below]
>
> Winton,
>
> Thanks for the nice note.
>
> From what I know out here in CA, is that if a production goes out of
> state and uses the Tax Incentive program for that particular state, ie,
> NM, MA, NY,SC, NC, GA, MI and AZ, in order to qualify for the monies
> from that state, the Production Company from CA has to hire local crews
> for production. Some states require 50 % local hire and other states its
> as high as 80%. MI gives 42% tax credit and cash back when the picture
> is in the can (hard costs).
>
> I am not aware of the SAG ruling even though I am a Member and have been
> since 1978. Their rules are a little different. As for AZ which is a
> right to work state along with NM, if the Production is an IATSE
> contract for production the Production company is limited to that states
> percentage of Local Hires. I don't know about FL 's requirements. If
> your Production Companies offices are in FL I am not sure what rules
> apply. I guess I should because I have been a Line Producer on low
> budget shows in Sacramento, CA., but that was about 15 years ago and
> things were a little less convoluted.
>
> I am sending my resume to you and hope that it makes it your way. What
> is not on there are my 2nd unit directing shows and my Acting gigs. Not
> too many Acting gigs for I went behind the camera because I wanted to
> eat and pay my bills. (grins) But I am called upon to pick up the acting
> when we are way out of town and they need a Day Player but my last
> acting gig was in 2007 on a show called "How to Rob a Bank" with Nick
> Stahal. I coordinated the Hostage rescue in the bank and got to play a
> sniper. I forgot how much fun acting really is. But time marches on.
>
> Thank you once again for the nice note and I will try to call in a
> couple of days. I can be reached at:
>
> rod_kerns@yahoo. com
>
> and if you want my phone number email me and I will send it.



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#9017 From: "Angela" <angela@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:49 pm
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Take a look at some of the film festivals and groups that are gathered around

them.  International Christians in Visual Media (ICVM), the Gideon Media Arts

Conference & Film Festival, the San Antonio Independent Christian Film Festival,

etc.



If you're asking is there a Hollywood-type system set up for Christians, the

answer is no. most Christian filmmakers are working as indies. Use social

networking sites like Twitter and Facebook to connect with others in the

business. Remember the Hollywood system took years to build and developed as an

industry.


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